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Published: Friday, March 16 2012 9:39 p.m. MDT

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Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

Whoo hoo! Thank you Governor Herbert!

UU32
Bountiful, UT

Some sanity left in this state.

Henderson
Orem, UT

Finally, some common sense!

Don't want sex ed in public education? THEN ALLOW YOUR CHILD TO OPT OUT!

it really is THAT simple.

md
Cache, UT

Smart move.

rightascension
Provo, UT

One way or another, our children and teenagers will eventually become sexually active. We hope they will become active in marriage; but still they should learn about available technological options. I have monitored the attitudes of my politically active neighbors for over 35 years: frankly I have often wondered how many of them actually know enough on the subject of sexuality to teach it to their children.

Utahcitizen
Salt Lake City, Utah

Wonderful. It's nice to live in Utah and have a good Governor with common sense.

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

Henderson,

I was a forgetful in High School. I rarely did my homework even. So when I forged my signature in High School saying I could participate (cause I forgot to take the slip home)... that certainly gave my parents a 'say' in the matter, right?

It's not a matter of whether the policy supports choice 'on paper' but whether 1) parents actually have their choices preserved and 2) whether the government should be teaching our children these things in the first place.

This issue is one that may have very serious moral implications. Whether it's getting pregnant, abortion, splitting up families, etc- there can be serious consequences involved which will directly affect families. Such things should be taught in the home. If they are not taught at home, one hardly needs to be taught by a teacher. In an online world, children know far FAR more than their parents would expect anyway. What's really being taught is the morality behind certain actions, their consequences, and so on. These answers belong to parents, not teachers.

For some reason, children who weren't taught still manage to procreate. If schools do, it should be abstinence only. Otherwise it's the parent's responsibility anyway.

Cheers.

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

A Voice of Reason,

If Johnny forges his parents signature it sounds like Johnny's parents should be having a talk with him not only about sex but about honesty. I have no problem eliminated sex ed because "parents should be teaching that". But then can we please eliminate all the other things from the curriculum that parents should be teaching? The legislature added suicide and bullying training to the list of growing social issues that teachers must teach students about. Lets either take on social problems in schools or lets not take them on. Don't pick and choose which social issues we should teach and which we shouldn't, because by doing so you are imposing a specific set of morals on everyone.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

The whole issue has been quite superfluous in the first place. Kids themselves know enough to TEACH the sex-ed class by the time they're 13. I work with kids all day. If parents haven't had "the talk" by the time the kids are 12, its too late, believe me!

What I find interesting is that the Guv. chooses late at night at the beginning of a weekend to "announce" his veto.

He's obviously been testing the "political pushback" and has his fingers crossed that his party won't hold him responsible, and, hopefully forget about the issue by Monday morning.

Why not elect a NEW Guv?

This guy is quite lacking when it comes to anything resembling LEADERSHIP ABILITIES!

The Guv. is VERY POLITICAL!!

Justmythoughts
Provo, UT

Thanks Governor....correct decision.

DrGroovey
Salt Lake City, UT

I have a new found respect for Governor Herbert. Perhaps the fascist wing of the republican party is not as strong as it often appears to be. Gale Ruzika and others may bring down their wrath upon the governor because of this veto, but he will be remembered for making the right choice. Write another chapter in Profiles in Courage for the governor.

Qwest Perfected
Salt Lake City, UT

The best thing Governor Herbert has ever done.

If you believe these topics should be taught in the home, then you can teach them at home. It would be too irresponsible to not give information to our children in a safe environment where they can get answers to the questions they may have. Not addressing these topics does not make them go away.

Well done Gary.

Mom of Six
Northern Utah, UT

Smart move for the governor. It is too bad our legislature likes to live in a perverbial bubble. I guess they feel that Utah is Pleasantville where everyone comes from perfect homes and has perfect parental involvement.
The Governor was correct, law as written is fine, giving parents who want to put their head in the sand the option to opt out. As a parent of six, I am the one to teach my children sex ed. By the time they reach high school, it is review. Unfortunatly, not all parents are comfortable with "the talk" or teaching their own children sexual matters. We need a cusion in place for those kids to get information that could be a life or death matter. After all, Utah does have one of the highest STD rates in the country. .....BTW I am an active LDS, Conservative!

tabuno
Clearfield, UT

Simply amazing. This veto decision puts Governor Herbert among the Utah Governors to remember in Utah history, especially going against a majority of his own party on a political issue that is so controversial, unlike education and health care and even the environment or taxes. By stepping into the socially hot-button topic of sex education with all its moral implications, Governor Herbert put himself unnecessarily into the middle of a storm, an action usually only reserved for an authentic political leader of any state or nation. Hopefully, state legislators and the public will take this opportunity to really begin to discuss the fundamental moral issues regarding a woman's right and a living entity's right to life together instead of yelling around each other.

Maudine
SLC, UT

@fitness freak
if the governor was as political as you claim he would have bowed to the eagle forum knowing that they are the iron fist of the republican party. Its nice to see at least someone in the republican party has a backbone.

DavidNL
Holladay, UT

This bill was not discussed for even 15 minutes on the senate floor, and its floor sponsor, Margaret Dayton, refused to field questions. Ironic. If we can't get our legislatures to talk about sex education in the context of the legislative process, why would we -- or they -- think the average parent would at home? Parents approved of the existing law, and only a small percentage opted out. Herein lies the utter waste of energy and political will that was this bill! Nothing needed fixing! And the public made this clear via a statewide petition with 40,000 signatures, sharp criticism from respected education groups, rallies and general public outcry. I am pleased -- and frankly surprised -- that Herbert had the guts to stand up to a legislature. He's tougher and smarter than I thought. Now... can we let this die and start to focus on some of the real issues we're confronting in Utah, like the import of toxic nuclear waste!?!?

Carpe Diem
Syracuse, UT

Bravo Governor Herbert! It's important for everyone to remember that politically this was a veto that will cause him to lose support from the uber-conservative wing of the base. Hopefully, the majority of us will remember the courage this veto required. I'm glad that he showed that courage for betterment of the state!

siriuddd
phx, AZ

Congratulations. Too bad we don't have this kind of sanity in Arizona.

joeyslaptop
VANCOUVER, WA

Parents should not have to "opt out"! It should not be a part of the curriculum of elementary and jr. high schools. Governor Herbert is an idiot that needs to be thrown out of office. Using language like "parents know better than the state" to really say "the state will force it down everybody's throats unless jumping through hoops to opt out" is the trickery of evil people.

Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

If you read the current law first,and then compare it to the bill,

I believe you will find that the intent of the current law remains, with added parental input and an option for the local school not to teach the class if they don't want to follow the law.

The bill allows a local school to provide the class if they follow the law. Currently we have schools in Utah that are required to provide the class and the claim is that some schools are not following the current law. Some have even questioned if the State School Board was following the current law.

If that is the case, either the law needs to be clarified, or we add teeth to the law, or both. HB 363 clarifies the law assuming the schools will follow the law if it is clear.

If you look at lines 135 to 140, you will notice the opt in was not removed for parents.

The movement to shift the content of the class from current law significantly either way didn't pass. Many that are upset at HB 363 do not like the current law and wanted to change it to have fewer restrictions.

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