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Published: Friday, March 16 2012 2:24 p.m. MDT

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Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Ignorance is not taught it is passed on to pregnant teens like palins daughter, spokesperson for abstinence.

Better set aside some money Utah for a rise in STD's and teen pregnancy.

Setting the clock back yet again in Utah.

Florwood
American Fork, UT

Sen. Dayton,

Ignorance does not promote health.A healthy discussion of alternatives, centered on abstinence, would be healthier than a curriculum that pretends certain things do not exist.

I'd also recommend you turn in your conservative card, for giving in to big government solutions, and presuming that local parents and school personnel are incapable of deciding on their own what curriculum in this sensitive area is best for their children.

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

When Senator Dayton says that Planned Parenthood is a national organization "that promotes promiscuous behavior and abortion," she is either being deliberately dishonest, or she's ignorant. What I suspect is that the latter is true. She just doesn't know what she's talking about.
I would also like to live in a world where unicorns gambol in gnome-tended meadows, and where young people don't engage in sexual activity. And as a responsible parent, I have taught my children sexual morality in our home. But I'm not naive enough to think that kids won't do what kids clearly do. This nonsensical bill will NOT 'protect children.' It will deprive children of correct, factual information they need to make good decisions. It's true that lots of kids don't make good decisions no matter how much information they have. But there's no evidence to support the idea that abstinence-only education does anything except increase the number of unwanted pregnancies, increase the number of children with sexually transmitted diseases, and increase the number of abortions.

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

I call bull.

If the only purpose was to take PP out of the discussion, there are ways to do that while leaving comprehensive sex education intact.

The PP program stresses the need for parents to educate their children on values.

This editorial - like the bill it supports - is not in the best interest of our children.

metisophia
Ogden, UT

"Utah public schools will continue to teach health and human development. These biology classes will be clinical discussions. When the teaching of contraception or alternative life styles becomes the topic, the clinical discussion too easily changes into a counseling session on matters of sex. For school discussions, abstinence only is the safest approach."

Your bill, however, also removes any opportunity for teachers to answer questions, a grave mistake. You live in a fantasy world if you believe that a girl or boy who asks a question in class and is told "You'll have to ask your parents about that" will, in fact, ask the parents. They are asking in class because a parent already failed to teach them!

Shame on you for 1.removing a parent's choice to have a son or daughter participate in a fact based discussion on life and death matter, 2. making it less likely that all students will have solid facts to support choices about their sexuality and 3. probably reducing student's opportunity for several concurrent enrollment classes. (Although the last one probably fits with your desire to end public education.)

Cherilyn Eagar
Holladay, UT

Today is a sad day for Utah's children. For years many have worked to keep Planned Parenthood's well-funded abortion outreach out of sex education and Utah. I've not only been to the UN fighting this huge lobby, but beginning in 1986 I spent two years successfully keeping abortion counseling clinics out of the schools in another state. Since then I've dedicated a significant amount of time fighting Planned Parenthood's companion industry, pornography. I'm stunned that the PTA and the UEA would protect these industries.

Terrance Olson, who was on the BYU faculty in the 1990s, had conducted extensive research which showed that the mere exposure to sex education increased sexual activity. That would seem to be simply common sense. Sex ed has been invading the schools since the late 1960s. It should be obvious that the approach schools have taken, which is NOT abstinence, but "we know you're going to do it, so here's how to do it safe" has not been working.

Parents must become educated on why this bill should never have been vetoed. Friday was a victory for Planned Parenthood, abortion and continued promiscuous sex in Utah.

Follow the money and you will find the corruption.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

Only in the mind of a Utah Republican Legislator does keeping children ignorant equate with protecting them.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Barry Goldwater's wife helped found the first Planed Parenthood chapter in Arizona, and Senator Goldwater was a strong supporter of the organization. George Bush Sr. was also a strong supporter. Mitt Romney used to attend fundraisers for Planned Parenthood. Ronald Reagan and George W Bush never complained about funding for P.P.. It has only been the last couple of years that P.P. became a demon to the Republicans party.

It is a sign that the Republican party has been taken over by their fundamentalists.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

If the Utah legislature and government had done anything to help public education in Utah during the last half century it would be much easier to believe the words.

If they had done anything to reduce the commercial promotion of sex in the public media, in the dress, in the advertising, in our culture, it would be much easier to believe the words.

The first statement of the article tells us what we need to know about the purpose of this article. That it is part of the political war between opposing groups of politicians.

The agenda of the conservative republicans is to keep the general population uneducated, unprotected and unorganized

EDM
Castle Valley, Utah

Senator Dayton,

If the first purpose of the legislation was always to take PP out of the discussion, then why weren't you honest about that from the beginning, when it became public? Your second dishonest act in all this is your statement that PP "promotes promiscuous behavior and abortion". That is a delliberate misrepresentation. Shame on you.

I will not go on to take you to task for promoting ignorance over education as nine out of ten posted comments here will do that quite nicely.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "When Senator Dayton says that Planned Parenthood . . . 'promotes promiscuous behavior and abortion,' she is either being deliberately dishonest, or she's ignorant."

How so? Maybe you just forgot to elaborate.

Planned Parenthood DOES promote promiscuous behavior and IS the Nation's primary provider of abortion.

Disingenuous liberal promotion of an an iconic liberal organization, one with a history of a vicious racist animus and whose current operations are designed to promote a libertine liberal lifestyle, adds little to the conversation.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

Procur: :Planned Parenthood DOES promote promiscuous behavior..."

Sure they do.

Just like me teaching my kids how to safely use and clean guns encourages them to become bank robbers.

But seriously - a question for you:

Is it OK for a woman to want to have sex without becoming pregnant? Can you give a simple "yes" or "no" answer?

If you can't answer with a straightforward Yes or No, and there are degrees of "it depends," then shouldn't you similarly avoid making absolutist pronouncements about why Planned Parenthood provides reproductive health services to women?

Furry1993
Clearfield, UT

Senator Margret Dayton and Cherilyn Eagar and others of their ilk, by allowing/promoting ignorance among the high school students in Utah, have proved themselves to be part of the problem. Governor Herbert, by his veto of HB363, shows himself to be part of the solution. Kudos to Governor Herbert for not trying to change a system that works well for those students.

For the record, Planned Parenthood doesnÂt Âpromote any type of behavior. Its staff members answer questions that are posed to them . . . answers them with ACCURATE information . . . but counsels young people who are asking the questions to talk the subject over with their parents for full counsel and advice. It is to be hoped that the students can talk to their parents but, at the very least, with getting the information from PP they get accurate information and not the half-truths and mis-statements they would get if they got their sex education from their friends who may or may not really know the subject. And not like my mother, who learned about a womanÂs monthly cycles when she started bleeding at school nd learned what was happening from the school nurse.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Senator Dayton
I looked at the link you provided for the sex ed material. It looked like plain, old, vanilla-style maturation information to me. It appears that this is more a war against Planned Parenthood than sex ed in school. So be honest then and fight that battle. Don't mix the two issues.

First, it is evident that many/most parents don't educate their kids on this subject for whatever reason.
There are so many factors which have contributed to the acceptance of casual sex, but sex ed isn't one of them. There was the "sexual revolution, free-love" beginning in the 60's and making its way into the media. (who in their right mind would recommend teens use the internet to educate themselves about sex?) Additionally, teens have less supervision with more parents working outside the home, higher divorce rates, etc. which can all factor in. It is better to "arm" kids with appropriate information from reliable, professionals, abstinence being the underpinning, than to send them out uninformed.

casual observer
Salt Lake City, UT

Schools should not be substitutes for families and their parental responsibility to nurture and teach values. The difficulty lies in situations where children do not have adequate parental mentoring. When schools assume this parental responsibility they must select a curriculum that is secular and indifferent to the wide spectrum of individual family values. The pendulum swings back and forth and a reasonable consensus has not been achieved in our society. Senator Dayton's bill rightly protects family sovereignty, but exposes those children who are without parental guidance.

Orem Parent
Orem, UT

Thanks
ms. Ruzika errrr....Dayton but theGovernor used his brain on this one.

stevo123
slc, ut

Ms. Eagar, I agree 100 % with your follow the money and you will find corruption statement. However, when you have the biggest polluters in the state write the environmental laws I think you really hit it out of the ball park. You will have to ask Senator Dayton about that one. PS Thanks Gov. Herbert you did the right thing.

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

Procuradorfiscal:
Really. Less than 10% of Planned Parenthood's activities have anything to do with abortion. Planned Parenthood provides pap smears and breast exams. It's honestly ludicrous, the idea that Planned Parenthood's doctors and nurses and volunteers sit up nights plotting for ways for teenagers to engage in more wanton promiscuous sex. Sorry, but you just don't know what you're talking about.

truth_avenger
Lehi, UT

Senator Dayton, you do not have the moral high ground on this topic; furthermore it was bad legislation. The governor did the right thing and assured my vote.

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