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Published: Thursday, March 15 2012 11:04 p.m. MDT

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My2Cents
Taylorsville, UT

I like how this story is trying to make consumer debt an economic asset. Why should any female want to get tangled up and involved with a man who can't control his excessive debt? If he has debt means he is a loser and someone to stay clear of. Who in the world wants to start out a relationship with thousands of dollars of debt hanging over their heads? That is so stupid it has these guys doomed for a relationship that will go nowhere.

I don't think the ratio has anything to do with debt, the men are losers and lost.

I think annalist for economic improvement should put more emphasis on cash and carry, not plastic and carry. People have it ingrained in their heads by education that cash is a curse. Debt is the curse and destroyer of our economy and couples lives.

lds4gaymarriage
Salt Lake City, UT

The reason seems pretty simple. Where there are surplus men, they all are spending money (dinner & a movie...maybe flowers) to woo the women. Where there are extra women, the men don't have to and the women are the ones wooing by making the men dinner and perhaps "putting out" to catch the men. It would be interesting to monitor the number of condoms sold in both locations. My guess is that in the places with excess women, there are more condoms sold per single man.

What are the implications for single LDS where there tends to be many more single women at the "over 30 dances and events? Are single LDS women over 30 tempted to lower their moral standards in order to catch a man? What can we do to minimize this risk?

raybies
Layton, UT

so is there a website somewhere that shows the sex ratios of all the cities in the country? Cuz the cities with less men should get together with the cities with too many.

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

Michael De Groot,

You're one of my favorite 'reads', so no offense intended at all. Just saying that I don't consider this "proof" of anything. Inductive arguments never prove but only suggest a projected conclusion or guess.

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My opinion regarding this information in general-

To suggest that this ratio perception influences behavior I think must be wrong. A statement can only ever be true or false. The concept of 'partial truths' is a red herring. Any amount of inaccuracy in a statement would make that statement false. If I said "Socrates was a man and he could fly" this isn't a 'partially true' statement. It's two statements, one true, one false.

If one acts on information they have, such as this ratio perception- they are either trusting something to be true or false. We all have it in us to know right from wrong- so the data or our perception of it isn't the influence, but our desire to do right or wrong.

We of course can react to information we receive- but we still freely make our choices, we aren't a result of our 'brain reacting to data' as analyzing behavioral patterns this way suggests.

That's my take anyway.

Commenter88
Salt Lake City, Utah

Um, it's called "child support." Half of all married-aged men are divorced and 84% of those were divorced involuntarily. Further 80% of all fathers who are behind in child support make less than the poverty line. And 95% of all fathers who are behind in child support earn less than $40,000.

How is it that report after report misses this?

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

Please tell me the taxpayer was not stuck with a $1M+ tab to fund this "study".

Kralon
HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA

Voice of Reason?

What are you arguing against? At what point did the article state that we didn't freely make choices? We may not be consciously aware of the sex ratio around us, but we do know its effects when we need to increase competition for a female. We consciously make that choice to look more attractive (better car, clothes, house, etc.) or not.

You say "we aren't a result of our 'brain reacting to data'"? Okay if we are not freely making choices with our brain as a result of data then what do you think is making decisions (other than our brain) and what are those decisions based on (other than data)?

This was just one simple study that we didn't even read, only a news report of parts of the study. All this study has done (based only on the article info) is show a probable relationship that would need to be further investigated (such as Commenter88's info on child support costs having a larger influence where there are more men).

Grouper
Loveland, CO

great "science" here. My thoughts - The more men hang out with other men, the more they are inclined to spend money on things that a wife would normally say no to - sporting equipment, guns, vacations to Mexico for spring break etc. At issue is the absence of women, not the presence of women, that causes a change in spending. It is nice to see that Dr Pons and Dr Fleishmann got new jobs somewhere though. I thought for sure they would be knocking on my door pretty soon selling knives.

DRay
Roy, UT

so, it looks like, as we already knew, women are at the root cause of all debt.

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

It hasn't been my experience that women are more careful with money or that they admired men who spent less and saved more. The tendency was to regard the male saver as "cheap" and often to like men who spent a lot of money on showy things and on themselves.

More women than men are "liberal" politically and so cannot be "conservative" fiscally, any more than most Dems and Repubs are conservative fiscally, more women initiate divorce proceedings against their spouse, spend more money on outward appearances, Many women want expensive gifts for birthdays, anniversaries, Valentine's Day, and want Mothers' Day gifts from their husband as well as their children.

It's all up to individuals, though, and my hope for my children, male or female, has always been that they find a mate that is careful with money and thoroughly reliable and consistent and loyal in every way.

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