J Thompson, Mike Richards, goatesnotes, ALL made solid rational arguments for
NOT re-nominating or (heavens worst), re-electing Orrin Hatch to the US Senate.
Study his record, Hatch is NOT the conservative some of us are led to believe.
Dan Liljenquist is a GREAT improvement over Orrin! He's young (37), he's
intelligent (look at his record in the state legislature), he's a warrior for
what honest and fair, he's the father of six children. I think he knows a thing
or two about budgets, compromising, making a stand, listening to both sides, and
looking out for the individual. A delegate pledged to Liljenquist get my caucus
vote, tonight. "Dan's the man in 2012." It's time to take back the
Utah senate seat, return it to the people, and make plans for a new beginning.
Utah, the future is calling!
@LDS LIb: I never said I was a Libertarian. Again, atrawman arguments.Your positions aren't close to Libertarian since you are all about force,
stealing from one to give to another etc. You might want to go look at the
Libertarian platform, values, issues links under their About page and get
educated on what the positions are of the party you claim membership.Your positions don't align with them at all. And as has been mentioned
numerous times, you claim membership in the LDS church but your posts are so
full of hatred, anger and vitriol. Not in alignment with those teachings either
@one old man: Why am I supposed to turn off the radio? I love listening to my
Rock n Roll from the 80's and some Country? I read constantly thank you very
much. I am currently reading: The 8th HabitBook of MormonDavid O McKay and the Rise of MormonismThe secret knowledge: on the
dismantling of American cultureIt's a pretty good list right now.
I've read about 8 other books this year.What truth is it you think I
need to learn?I understand your post was an attempt to slam AM Radio
and me personally. I'm shocked that the censors allowed your personal attack
onto the thread. As usual though, the Left seems to think they have a
"lock" on knowledge, wisdom, education and intellect. And if people like
me don't agree with you I'm somehow stupid or ignorant.And you
wonder why I wouldn't want to be associated with the Democratic Party? Just look
in the mirror my friend, just look in the mirror.
Uncle Charles --- Please, please, please turn off the radio, do some wider
reading and try to learn the truth.
From all the negative campaigning and lies, I don't think one can be a Mormon
and vote Republican this year.
Uncle CharlesWhere freedom and liberty reign, utah@LDS Lib:2- You always do what the 1st Presidency says? Prop 8? Hmmmm[I live in
UTAH - not California]3- You think the best way to get to know who
is running for office, not delegate, is to attend the caucus?[I didn't say
it was the best way, only that I was asked to attend.] 4- You don't
need a party to tell you how to vote but you have stated you are a Registered
Libertarian. Hmmmmm[And I said, I don't need a Party to tell me anything.
I vote for a person - not the letter L, R, D, C, or G.]5- You do
realize that the policies of Libertarians are mostly to the RIGHT of
Republicans, don't you? You still have never posted any comment that lines up
with Libertarians.[Seriously...Really? You've got to be joking. Libertarians are for Legalized Marijuana.What about Foreign Wars and
Corporate Bail-outs? NopeA Woman's Right to Choose? -- Libertarians are
PRO-Choice.I can hardly believe for a minute YOU are a Libertarian Uncle
Charles! ....Right of the Republicans...LOL.]
one old man: who do you think is behind Hatch? He has no Utah donors to his bank
roll, it's all from outside the state.Who do you think is
bankrolling Obama's BILLION dollar war chest? George Soros. Is Soros even
American?You stated, "Their only purpose is to pour unlimited
amounts of money into campaigns to convince ill-educated and gullible people to
vote against their own best interests in support of whatever secret agendas they
may have hidden out there."That pretty much sums up the average
Republican and Democratic voter in the nation and why the Republican
Establishment wants to destroy the caucus/convention system. Delegates are
well-informed on the issues and voting records and thus can't be controlled.@Truthseeker: I'm glad Lee is holding them up. If there are a shortage
of judges then maybe you should look to Schumer and see how he "borked"
more than worthy nominations to the federal bench and SCOTUS. Just taking a page
from Chuckie!Let's remember, that Hatch even voted for Ginsburg. If
you think that's what the Tea Party is about then you need to get a different
re:Uncle CharlesWhy won't Lee low judicial nominees to be voted on?
If Lee thinks they are unqualified or even if he just wants to oppose them
because Obama is Pres., he can vote "no." Lee's obstructionism has real
consequences for Americans in other parts of the country where a shortage of
judges creates a backlog of cases. Lee is like the bully on the playground who
grabs the ball so no one else can play, just because he can. The Republicans in
Congress have the worst record of judicial confirmations and Lee is front and
center. Obstructionism is what the Tea Party is about and why Congressional
Republicans are rated lower than the Congressional Democrats. Unlike you (and others) I don't hold myself out to be a Constitutional or
legal scholar. I will leave the legal justifications for Congressional bills to
the experts. I would note however, the experts often don't come to a consensus.
As so it has been since the signing of the Constitution.....
@LDS Lib:1- I know when the Libertarian meeting is. See you
there.2- You always do what the 1st Presidency says? Prop 8? Hmmmm3-
You think the best way to get to know who is running for office, not delegate,
is to attend the caucus? I'd go to the websites of the candidates and attend
their meetings to find out why they are running and their platforms. 4-
You don't need a party to tell you how to vote but you have stated you are a
Registered Libertarian. Hmmmmm5- You do realize that the policies of
Libertarians are mostly to the RIGHT of Republicans, don't you? You still have
never posted any comment that lines up with Libertarians. 6- Your
fascination with the Republican Party is noted. I think it's borderline
obsession.IF you attend the caucus meetings tonight and Thursday, I
hope you are on your best behavior as you are an invited guest, not a
participant. What precinct are you in? I'll come to yours instead of mine and I
bet I'll still get elected as a delegate AGAIN!
You don't have to respond to this group calling you. Don't resent their right
to exercise their political beliefs. Its just politics. Feel free to organize
a group that does the opposite.
I just opened my mailbox to find TWO more mailings from Freedom Works. I've had
at least one a day from Freedom Works and from Freedom Path for about a month
now. It's becoming a bit tiresome.Freedom Works' flyer today extols
the wonderful accomplishments of their heroes, Lee and Chaffetz. For that reason alone, it's time to eliminate shady, hidden, clandestine PACs
like these two. Their only purpose is to pour unlimited amounts of money into
campaigns to convince ill-educated and gullible people to vote against their own
best interests in support of whatever secret agendas they may have hidden out
Uncle CharlesWhere freedom and liberty reign, utah11:29 a.m.1-Libertarians donÂt hold Caucuses in Utah, just the Party
convention April 21st in SLC.2-The 1st Presidency said to attend a Caucus,
so I will - as many as possible.3-I vote for the person, and the only way
to hear about ALL of them, is to attend the Caucuses. 4-I Never vote
Party-line anythingÂ¦.I donÂt need a Party to tell me who and how
to vote.5-I might vote for Hatch, just to make sure another nutcake
extremist doesnÂt get into office.6-And if Senator Hatch dies while
in office, the 17th Amendment says the State Governor and Legislature will
replace him Â and NOT the Tea-Party high-jackers.
Re: one old manOgden, UTBro Schroeder, did you happen to notice
that the carefully worded letter you received from Lee's office actually says
NOTHING at all? Isn't it great how some clever wording can keep our politicians
from being forced to actually stand up and become accountable?Reply:
None of these RINO/GOP want to actually stand up and become accountable because
that would cramp their style. That's why Lee and Hatch changes their web site
over 3 times, "to cover up their cyber paper trail's". They don't want
to get busted.
LDS Liberal: Who made the claim that everyone from Utah is Mormon and
Republican?In case you were wondering, where you vote for the person
and not the party is at the general election, not the caucus meetings. I do find it funny that you are a registered Libertarian but denounce the
party system and again, I have yet to see any post from you that would be in
line with the Libertarian Party.Since you won't be voting for Hatch
or the Republican nominee, who will you be voting for and why?
Thanks to guys like Sen. Hatch, after 36 years in his private "cave"
bubble, this is still around, question is why?. "Massive inflation"
is poised to strike the U.S. economy and the best hedge against galloping prices
won't be gold but real estate. Gold, a fixed asset whose supply does anything
but fluctuate, has long been used as a hedge against inflation, although real
estate will do a better job going forward due to its blend of availability and
current pricing. No one wants Hatch around anymore.Since President
Obama took office, the U.S. national debt has increased by $5 trillion.
That's a 50% increase in government debt in four short years.At the same time, the Federal Reserve has increased the size of its
balance sheet by $2 trillion.But it doesn't stop there. Over the
past three years.The European Central BankÂs balance sheet has
grown by $2 trillion.ChinaÂs money supply has increased
$1.5 trillion.Japan's central bank has increased the size of its
balance sheet by almost $1 trillion.Add in England's $500
billion increase in its money supply and presto.An
unprecedented $12 trillion in new money has been created out of thin air.
Bro Schroeder, did you happen to notice that the carefully worded letter you
received from Lee's office actually says NOTHING at all?Isn't it
great how some clever wording can keep our politicians from being forced to
actually stand up and become accountable?
Mr. Hatch, I for one don't resent outside groups such as Freedom Works riding
into town to tell lawmakers how to vote. YOU TO need to always hear from
constituents like me so your back-stage deals stop.This wants to
make me run to Utah, sit down in Office, and have some Jello with Mr. Lee.Members of Congress need to hear from constituents like me before they
make critical budget decisions or cast any votes that could have a devastating
impact on the lives of millions of Americans. March 13, 2012Dear Chuck:Thank you for recently contacting Senator Lee.
He always appreciates input from concerned citizens on matters brought before
the United States Senate. I regularly brief the Senator on the thoughts and
ideas shared with our office. This way, he can consider your input when voting
on issues related to SNAP benefits and the various other issues you
addressed.Please feel free to reach out to our office if we can be
of any assistance in the future. Thank you for writing.Regards,Peter BlairOffice of Senator Michael S. LeeHatch has
had thirty-six years and HE still don't get it.Your fired.
One more compelling reason to overturn the disaster called Citizens United.But on the other hand, there's Freedom Path doing the same thing on the
Hatch side. This is slime. No doubt about it. Of course,
Hatch has "no idea" who is behind Freedom Path. Yeah. We believe that
just like we believed his promise to serve no more than two terms.Here's a solution. Overturn Citizens United and in the meantime, elect Pete
Ashdown to replace Hatch.
I love all the assumptions.If you live in Utah, you must be a Mormon AND a
Republican.Some of us plan on going tonight.Some is us [myself
included] plan on attending tonight AND Thursday night.We are the
oneÂs who vote for the PERSON, and not the Party.BTW Â
IÂm waitingÂ¦.IÂm keep tabs on all you who keep saying
they will NEVER vote for Hatch, But once he is nominated, will rationalize
and justify voting for him yet again for a 7th term and 84 years old.Sad, and pathetic.
Ruth Ann: You're telling only one side of the story. If you're truly concerned
about outside groups trying to influence our elections, then why don't you also
mention Freedom Path and American Action Network? These two groups are here to
blast and smear Hatch's main OPPONENT (Dan Liljenquist). Their ads are
disgusting and border on outright lies. Why don't you criticize them as
well?Re: Real Maverick: You're aware that Chaffetz isn't running
against Hatch, aren't you (not that that would be a bad thing ...)?
Dan Liljenquist studied our Utah pension system. He found loopholes including
"double dipping" (where someone retires early, takes a six-month break
and can then be re-hired, usually at a similar salary). He concluded the defined
benefit program was unsustainable. His reforms (which were passed with
bi-partisan support in the Utah legislature) saved the Utah state retirement
system and much of our annual Utah budget.Because the Utah plan has
been so successful since reforms to it, Dan has been invited to mentor other
states on how to save their pension systems.This kind of fiscal
reform is what Dan is passionate about. Dan knows where the real problems are in
federal finance, what kinds of reforms can be achieved without adversely
impacting those who deserve to have the government's promises to them kept. Dan
has the requisite passion for fiscal reform and sustainability. He
will make a valuable contribution to Utah and the nation going forward. The
caucus on Thursday isn't just about retiring Hatch as much as it is about
selecting a legitimate and competent replacement for him, just as Mike Lee is
proving to be replacing Bob Bennett.Support Liljenquist at your
caucus. Retire Hatch.
I don't want incumbents.But when I consider what could possibly
replace hatch (Chaffetz) I want Hatch again.I understand that Hatch
stinks and needs to be replaced. But unless you folks actually present an
attractive alternative, I'm going with Hatch again.
@Truthseeker: I'll give Lee a call today to congratulate him on standing on
principles that will restore this country to her conservative roots.If you think Lee is wrong about Medicare and SS you, and you alone, make the
case through the words of the Constitution that he is wrong. Don't give me
precedent or anyone else's words, just your words along with what is written in
the Constitution.As a delegate, I've never read one word from
Freedom Works nor from Freedom Path. I've seen commercials the last few days but
always throw their mailings in the trash and tell the person on the other end of
the phone no thanks and put me on your do not call list.Poor Ruth
thinks as do many other uneducated on these threads, that those who don't vote
for Hatch are somehow being hoodwinked and don't know his record. Sorry, but it
is BECAUSE of his record we will release him with a vote of thanks and send him
back to Pennsylvania. Looking forward to seeing everyone tonight and
YouÂre on the calling list for one of 2 reasonsÂ¦.YouÂre a registered Republican, Or you have been voting for Orrin
Hatch for the last 36 years.I suggest you donÂt register as a
Republican and/or stop voting for Hatch. Problem solved.But I agree
Â outside $$$ [in fact, any $$ for that matter] should never be allowed to
influence campaigns, especially Foreign Corporations [i.e., Citizens United].
I feel the same as Freedom Works, and that is "NO" incumbents. Thursday
night I think most everyone there will have the same opinion.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) announced this afternoon that he will
file cloture Â the Senate procedure to break a filibuster Â on
seventeen judicial nominees currently being blocked by Republican
obstructionism. Nearly all of these nominees were either unanimously approved in
the Senate Judiciary Committee or were approved with Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) as the
only objection. Lee, of course, promised to block all of President ObamaÂs
nominees and he also believes that Medicare and Social Security are
Sorry, but our senior senator is so assimilated into the machine that his time
truly has come. He is owned by DC and has long lost contact with Utah and his
I'm not a Hatch person....But...I'm not finding the
"cure" to be better than the "disease."I don't want
Hatch...But I know I REALLY don't want Lee 2.0, Jason Chaffetz.
Hatch's vote for TARP (among other things) betrays a fundamental
misunderstanding about the proper role of a constitutionally-limited government.
I'm not willing to put up with that. I didn't need Freedom Works or anyone
else to bring me to this conclusion.It is time for Hatch to go.
"succeed in deceiving us?" - oh pullleeeezzzze - here's the correct
narrative with no deception:After 36 years in the Senate (nearly
half his life), at age 78, it's just time to take the seat back and give it back
to the voters. Since Hatch won't do that voluntarily, the delegates the voters
elect at the caucuses on Thursday night will have to do it for us at the
Hatch is running multiple ads through Freedom Path on this web page attacking
Liljenquist. So it is OK for Freedom Path, but not OK for Freedom Works?Freedom Path runs other ads also touting how Hatch unapologetically
fights for Utah. I do not know much about Liljenquist, but I do know Hatch voted
for his friend Ted Kennedy over his constituents in Utah. I donÂt know how
that is unapologetically fighting for Utah.
Freedom Works gave you the Tea Party and Mike Lee. Are you willing to condemn
them, or is it just a matter of convenience? And if Hatch made the argument
that Sen. Moss was in too long after 18 years, why is that also not applicable
to Hatch? This is about Hatch, and he seems to be a living example of what
conservatives say they hate about government.
The fact is that multiple groups have sponsored several formal debates here in
Utah between the Senatorial candidates, and Hatch has uniformly refused to
participate in these.By the way, some would argue that given Hatch's
votes to raise the debt ceiling alone, the possibility of him becoming Chairman
of the Finance Committee is the number one reason why he should NOT be
reelected. No, seniority is not everything, especially considering
the panel of good, qualified men with sound ideas each of whom is at least as
deserving of the office as is Hatch. I see no compelling reason why one of
these other, good men -- Chris Herrod, for example -- should not be allowed to
take his place.
Senator Hatch has had thirty-six years to present his side of the argument. He
has made a lot of promises, and he has done some good; but, he has voted against
our freedom and our liberty too many times.Any group that points out
his voting record is doing us a service. He wants us to believe his sound-bites
instead of closely looking at his record.He wants us to ignore the
fact that he voted "nay" to a prohibition against locking us up without
disclosing the charges, without assistance from council, and without ever being
given a trial.Can you imagine a United States Senator doing that?