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Published: Tuesday, March 13 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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J Thompson
SPRINGVILLE, UT

Senator Hatch has had thirty-six years to present his side of the argument. He has made a lot of promises, and he has done some good; but, he has voted against our freedom and our liberty too many times.

Any group that points out his voting record is doing us a service. He wants us to believe his sound-bites instead of closely looking at his record.

He wants us to ignore the fact that he voted "nay" to a prohibition against locking us up without disclosing the charges, without assistance from council, and without ever being given a trial.

Can you imagine a United States Senator doing that?

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

The fact is that multiple groups have sponsored several formal debates here in Utah between the Senatorial candidates, and Hatch has uniformly refused to participate in these.

By the way, some would argue that given Hatch's votes to raise the debt ceiling alone, the possibility of him becoming Chairman of the Finance Committee is the number one reason why he should NOT be reelected.

No, seniority is not everything, especially considering the panel of good, qualified men with sound ideas each of whom is at least as deserving of the office as is Hatch. I see no compelling reason why one of these other, good men -- Chris Herrod, for example -- should not be allowed to take his place.

Esquire
Springville, UT

Freedom Works gave you the Tea Party and Mike Lee. Are you willing to condemn them, or is it just a matter of convenience? And if Hatch made the argument that Sen. Moss was in too long after 18 years, why is that also not applicable to Hatch? This is about Hatch, and he seems to be a living example of what conservatives say they hate about government.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Hatch is running multiple ads through Freedom Path on this web page attacking Liljenquist. So it is OK for Freedom Path, but not OK for Freedom Works?

Freedom Path runs other ads also touting how Hatch unapologetically fights for Utah. I do not know much about Liljenquist, but I do know Hatch voted for his friend Ted Kennedy over his constituents in Utah. I donÂt know how that is unapologetically fighting for Utah.

goatesnotes
Kamas, UT

"succeed in deceiving us?" - oh pullleeeezzzze - here's the correct narrative with no deception:

After 36 years in the Senate (nearly half his life), at age 78, it's just time to take the seat back and give it back to the voters. Since Hatch won't do that voluntarily, the delegates the voters elect at the caucuses on Thursday night will have to do it for us at the nominating convention.

T. Party
Pleasant Grove, UT

Hatch's vote for TARP (among other things) betrays a fundamental misunderstanding about the proper role of a constitutionally-limited government. I'm not willing to put up with that. I didn't need Freedom Works or anyone else to bring me to this conclusion.

It is time for Hatch to go.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

I'm not a Hatch person....

But...

I'm not finding the "cure" to be better than the "disease."

I don't want Hatch...

But I know I REALLY don't want Lee 2.0, Jason Chaffetz.

NedGrimley
Brigham City, UT

Sorry, but our senior senator is so assimilated into the machine that his time truly has come. He is owned by DC and has long lost contact with Utah and his constituents.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) announced this afternoon that he will file cloture  the Senate procedure to break a filibuster  on seventeen judicial nominees currently being blocked by Republican obstructionism. Nearly all of these nominees were either unanimously approved in the Senate Judiciary Committee or were approved with Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) as the only objection. Lee, of course, promised to block all of President ObamaÂs nominees and he also believes that Medicare and Social Security are unconstitutional.

Thanks Utah!

tenx
Santa Clara, UT

I feel the same as Freedom Works, and that is "NO" incumbents. Thursday night I think most everyone there will have the same opinion.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

YouÂre on the calling list for one of 2 reasons¦.
YouÂre a registered Republican,
Or you have been voting for Orrin Hatch for the last 36 years.

I suggest you donÂt register as a Republican and/or stop voting for Hatch. Problem solved.

But I agree  outside $$$ [in fact, any $$ for that matter] should never be allowed to influence campaigns, especially Foreign Corporations [i.e., Citizens United].

Uncle Charles
Where freedom and liberty reign, utah

@Truthseeker: I'll give Lee a call today to congratulate him on standing on principles that will restore this country to her conservative roots.

If you think Lee is wrong about Medicare and SS you, and you alone, make the case through the words of the Constitution that he is wrong. Don't give me precedent or anyone else's words, just your words along with what is written in the Constitution.

As a delegate, I've never read one word from Freedom Works nor from Freedom Path. I've seen commercials the last few days but always throw their mailings in the trash and tell the person on the other end of the phone no thanks and put me on your do not call list.

Poor Ruth thinks as do many other uneducated on these threads, that those who don't vote for Hatch are somehow being hoodwinked and don't know his record. Sorry, but it is BECAUSE of his record we will release him with a vote of thanks and send him back to Pennsylvania.

Looking forward to seeing everyone tonight and on Thursday!

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

I don't want incumbents.

But when I consider what could possibly replace hatch (Chaffetz) I want Hatch again.

I understand that Hatch stinks and needs to be replaced. But unless you folks actually present an attractive alternative, I'm going with Hatch again.

goatesnotes
Kamas, UT

Dan Liljenquist studied our Utah pension system. He found loopholes including "double dipping" (where someone retires early, takes a six-month break and can then be re-hired, usually at a similar salary). He concluded the defined benefit program was unsustainable. His reforms (which were passed with bi-partisan support in the Utah legislature) saved the Utah state retirement system and much of our annual Utah budget.

Because the Utah plan has been so successful since reforms to it, Dan has been invited to mentor other states on how to save their pension systems.

This kind of fiscal reform is what Dan is passionate about. Dan knows where the real problems are in federal finance, what kinds of reforms can be achieved without adversely impacting those who deserve to have the government's promises to them kept. Dan has the requisite passion for fiscal reform and sustainability.

He will make a valuable contribution to Utah and the nation going forward. The caucus on Thursday isn't just about retiring Hatch as much as it is about selecting a legitimate and competent replacement for him, just as Mike Lee is proving to be replacing Bob Bennett.

Support Liljenquist at your caucus. Retire Hatch.

PeanutGallery
Salt Lake City, UT

Ruth Ann: You're telling only one side of the story. If you're truly concerned about outside groups trying to influence our elections, then why don't you also mention Freedom Path and American Action Network? These two groups are here to blast and smear Hatch's main OPPONENT (Dan Liljenquist). Their ads are disgusting and border on outright lies. Why don't you criticize them as well?

Re: Real Maverick: You're aware that Chaffetz isn't running against Hatch, aren't you (not that that would be a bad thing ...)?

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

I love all the assumptions.
If you live in Utah, you must be a Mormon AND a Republican.

Some of us plan on going tonight.
Some is us [myself included] plan on attending tonight AND Thursday night.
We are the oneÂs who vote for the PERSON, and not the Party.

BTW  IÂm waiting¦.
IÂm keep tabs on all you who keep saying they will NEVER vote for Hatch,
But once he is nominated, will rationalize and justify voting for him yet again for a 7th term and 84 years old.

Sad, and pathetic.

one old man
Ogden, UT

One more compelling reason to overturn the disaster called Citizens United.

But on the other hand, there's Freedom Path doing the same thing on the Hatch side.
This is slime. No doubt about it.

Of course, Hatch has "no idea" who is behind Freedom Path. Yeah. We believe that just like we believed his promise to serve no more than two terms.

Here's a solution. Overturn Citizens United and in the meantime, elect Pete Ashdown to replace Hatch.

Brother Chuck Schroeder
A Tropical Paradise USA, FL

Mr. Hatch, I for one don't resent outside groups such as Freedom Works riding into town to tell lawmakers how to vote. YOU TO need to always hear from constituents like me so your back-stage deals stop.

This wants to make me run to Utah, sit down in Office, and have some Jello with Mr. Lee.

Members of Congress need to hear from constituents like me before they make critical budget decisions or cast any votes that could have a devastating impact on the lives of millions of Americans.

March 13, 2012

Dear Chuck:

Thank you for recently contacting Senator Lee. He always appreciates input from concerned citizens on matters brought before the United States Senate. I regularly brief the Senator on the thoughts and ideas shared with our office. This way, he can consider your input when voting on issues related to SNAP benefits and the various other issues you addressed.

Please feel free to reach out to our office if we can be of any assistance in the future. Thank you for writing.

Regards,

Peter Blair
Office of Senator Michael S. Lee

Hatch has had thirty-six years and HE still don't get it.

Your fired.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Bro Schroeder, did you happen to notice that the carefully worded letter you received from Lee's office actually says NOTHING at all?

Isn't it great how some clever wording can keep our politicians from being forced to actually stand up and become accountable?

Brother Chuck Schroeder
A Tropical Paradise USA, FL

Thanks to guys like Sen. Hatch, after 36 years in his private "cave" bubble, this is still around, question is why?. "Massive inflation" is poised to strike the U.S. economy and the best hedge against galloping prices won't be gold but real estate. Gold, a fixed asset whose supply does anything but fluctuate, has long been used as a hedge against inflation, although real estate will do a better job going forward due to its blend of availability and current pricing. No one wants Hatch around anymore.

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