TheSportsAuthorityArlington, VA"During a rebuilding
season, BYU averaged 17,000 fans in the Marriott Center, 2,000 fans more per
game than Utah averaged at home during their championship game run last
century."*****************While the Cougar Nation feels
smug about its attendance championship, Mr. TheSportsAuthority, remember this
little factoid.In it's worst decade of basketball, Utah has as many
"non-play-in" NCAA tournament victories as BYU has had in its best
decade of basketball... with its best player in three decades.Kind
of puts things in perspective... Hmmmmmm?
Gotta laugh at how quickly our friends on the hill forget that BYU plays HALF of
its WCC games in a TWENTY-THREE THOUSAND seat arena.During a
rebuilding season, BYU averaged 17,000 fans in the Marriott Center, 2,000 fans
more per game than Utah averaged at home during their championship game run last
century.Programs come and go; just because U once had a pretty good
basketball program, doesn't guarantee you'll ever be anything more than a lower
to middle of the PAC team.
@khWho said I hate the utes? I absolutely don't. I do have a strong
dislike for a large segment of their "fan"base however. But I see that
"truth" now equals "hate" when the truth is being told about
utah, it's "fans", or its athletic programs.
For hating the Utes so much, Duckhunter sure talks about them a lot.54-10
@howieJust because you choose to ignore the truth doesn't make it
any less so. If you had any real desire to know the truth you would look it up
yourself then aknowledge reality. But you would prefer to argue a false point
simply because you cannot stand the fact that a BYU fan is correct and that your
beloved utah basketball program is a trainwreck and no one wants to go watch it.
My guess is you attended enough games this year that you know I am right so you
know you are being false here.It is similar to when there are only 2
people on an elevator and one passes gas, everyone knows who did it. Well you
and I both know the truth here but only one of us is admitting it and it isn't
Kind of sad that in future years, somebody who might want to look at the
commentary people had about Loveridge's fantastic high school senior campaign
has to see this childish behavior above.Congrats to Jordan. If he
continues to put in the same type of hard work and on-court leadership, he'll
have a lot more accolades and wins to add to his resume.
@DuckunterMany, many times this season the newspaper reported that
"official attendance" was 8000+ but only 3-4000 fans were actually
there.*****************There you go again Mr. Duckhunter...Making statements of "fact" that you are either unable, or
unwilling, to support.If the papers reported many, many times that
the Huntsman attendance was only 3-4000, then you should easily be able to quote
dates and specific articles that made such claims.Until then you are
just making up your own facts, my friend.It seems that if it weren't
for made up facts, Mr. Duckhunter would have no facts at all.
If you don't care then why did you bring them all up?LOL!
"DuckhunterHighland, UTIs it because you are desperate for
something, anything, to try and say negative about BYU's basketball program? I
don't care at all about that."Kinda like we couldn't care less
what your ESPN football deal pays your university... or how many of your games
are shown on the ESPN family of networks (including the many relegated to
ESPNU)... or how you get repeat broadcast rights on BYU TV... or how your HD
broadcast facility is really really cool.We would rather play in a
BCS conference, with teams from the Pac 12 filling our schedule every year...
rather than face your WAC/FCS-grade schedules and downgraded BCS access (top 2
finish for AQ).I'm glad we're starting to find mutual understanding.
utah did not "average" 8370 in attendance this past season, that is
false. They report tickets sold, including season tickets and claim that as
"attendance". Any honest fan that attended multiple games will tell you
that is a false number. Many, many times this season the newspaper reported that
"official attendance" was 8000+ but only 3-4000 fans were actually
there.So we will never get a "verified" count under 8000
because they will not be honest about it. To be fair no one is honest about it,
all of the schools use tickets sold as their official attendance. I think you
know that though which is why you suggested it and why you will cling to 8370
and falsely claim it to be fact. Typical utah "fan".
@Duckhunter"But it is much easier to look at averages and make a
prediction based on averages"***************I like you Mr.
Duckhunter. You're a funny guy. You even LOL... alot.So, as you
suggest, lets look at the averages. Published reports show Utah's average
attendance this year was 8,370.If you have more accurate verifiable
data, I ask you to bring it forward... Please.As for "putting
up" or "shutting up", rather than accept the wager you offered in a
previous post, I will make you the following promise:If Jordan
Loveridge EVER plays before a verified Huntsman Center attendance of 3,000 (as
you suggested), I will post 10 messages under the moniker of "Mr.
Duckhunters Little Brother".If that's not "putting up" I
don't know what is.
Congrats to Jordan he deserves this great honor, hope Jordan shows what a great
player he is at the Ballislife All American game next month in California, not
many kids can say they are an All American.
@howieI knew you weren't willing to put up or shut up. Typical utah
"fan". Also I seldom predict the outcomes of individual games, anything
can happen in any one game, even utah managed to win 6 times this season and
they were terrible. I'm sure they had a game or two with 10,000 "fans"
in attendence. But it is much easier to look at averages and make a prediction
based on averages. Based on that yes I know that loveridge will play
in front of a mostly empty hc next season, and many more times, in his career.
He may occasionally see 10,000+ but he'll far more often see many, many less
than that. I KNOW it.As far as BYU playing in the small WCC arenas
are concerned? I don't care. That isn't what happens at the MC, it is routinely
packed. I don't care about the crowds at road games. I'll be honest I don't even
understand why utah "fans" like yourself think that is an issue for BYU
fans? Is it because you are desperate for something, anything, to try and say
negative about BYU's basketball program? I don't care at all about that.
@DuckhunterIt must be silly season in Highland tonight, my
friend.I never said the Utes would be good in basketball again...
Maybe they will, maybe they won't. I only said they can get better, and if so
they can fill their 15,000 seat arena. However, it is true that as
long as BYU stays in the WCC they will always play in 3,000 seat arenas. If
that bothers you then perhaps you should support a team that plays in a
conference without 3,000 seat arenas.As for 'knowing" the
outcome of future events based on recent history, do you feel comfortable
knowing what will happen on September 15,2012 in RES based on the two most
recent meetings of Utah and BYU in football? Or do you have a different
standard when predicting football results? As for betting... as the
lovely Mrs. Howard S. says... "I don't bet". And besides that, I
suspect that an offer to bet is a violation of the DN message board policy. Oh, and as for 3,000 fans in the Huntsman two weeks ago... were you
there? Did you count the fans? Or are you just conveniently making up your own
Well howie let me ask you this. You believe utah will have a good basketball
team again why? According to the utah "fans" on here they believe it
will happen because in the distant past utah used to be good and so they believe
that is evidence that ancient history will repeat itself. 112pac reminds us
about majerus, a decade ago, and pimm, a quarter century ago, as if that means
future success is "known".I on the otherhand refer to far
more recent history, like say....2 weeks ago. At that point utah was playing in
front of 3000 fans, claiming 8000, but we know it was only 3000. So
if utah "fans" "know" utah will be good again based on things
that happened last century then I feel comfortable "knowing" what will
happen based on things that occured 2 weeks ago.Let's wager howie. I
bet loveridge will play in the hc in front of around 3000 "fans" before
utah finishes a season with a .500 record. You decide the penalty for losing.
@Duckhunter"Yes we do "know" that.*********Okay Mr. Duckhunter, I accept your paranormal ability to "know"
and foretell the events of the future.So perhaps you would be
willing to foretell the score of the Utah/BYU football game this year...
Hmmmmm?Oh and, btw... Did you know in advance the 54-10 outcome of
last years contest?
@ute alumniWhen did you graduate from Utah; last year? Obviously you don't
have a clue about the Jerry Pimm or Rick Majerus eras. Utah basketball will be
back, and sooner rather than later. Also good luck to BYU tonight.
Not saying that being "Mr Basketball" in Utah is a sure fire way to
determine how great a player will be at the college level. I mean... who is Tim
Henry? But, this is a great start for coach K and his staff to get a
strong hold on the local talent. If you can grab an Alex Jensen, Britton Johnsen
or Jackson Emery every so often, it fills an important roll in the "local
kid with talent" spot. I look forward to watching Jordan come in
next year and making some noise.Go Utes!
His numbers were great for the year. I thought he looked like an average
6'6" guy in the state tournament. He did not dominate the last two state
games which are the only ones I saw. I doubt he will be an impact player at Utah
for at least two years, if then. Hope I am wrong because I really like him.
@howieYes we do "know" that. We saw it all season long at
the hc. We've been seeing it there for several seasons. Are you an ostrich?
howard ducky went to tulsa again like he did when it was 54-10
Congrats on the honor. Will be great to him in red.
@Duckunter"But we both know he'll play in a 15000 seat arena
with only 3000 fans in it. Often."**********Actually Mr.
Duckhunter we don't know that. You hope that, and you and you wish that... but
you don't know that. Think of it this way my deluded Cougar friend,
Utah can get better and fill that 15,000 seat arena... but 15,000 will never
occupy a 3,000 seat WCC arena.
Congratulations to Jordan! Wasn't MJ just 6'6"? As I remember, there are
3-4 great HS players from Utah that played on the competitive summer league
team. Two committed to the Aggies and Jordan to the U. I think 1-2 were
BYU-bound. If I were Jordan, I'd jump ship and go to Utah State! :) But he
seems pretty committed. Be'd be great with Medlin, Reed, and Co.
Why is the shed empty? All the tools are busy!Good luck Jordan!
You're going to have a great ride at the U!
@howieBut we both know he'll play in a 15000 seat arena with only
3000 fans in it. Often.LOL!
@NatesterSorry to burst your bubble but Tyler Haws won Mr.
Basketball 2 years in a row 2008 and 2009.
@DuckhunterHighland, UT"Unfortunately he will wind up his
utah career never having gone to the ncaa tournament and never winning a
conference championhip. He may never even experience a winning season."*************** No NCAA tourny? No conference championship? No
winning season?Perhaps... But, notwithstanding your unsupportable
predictions, the reality is that you don't know and I don't know... But one thing we both know is that he will never play in a 3,000 seat arena.
Good kid, good player, and congrats on the award.I question the
selection just a little though. And I "still" really question how he's
gonna do in the Pac12 - has zero outside shot, and at 6'6", good luck
playing on the inside.I do wish him well, and hope the best for his
time up on the hill.
Congrats on the award and in your choice Jordan. It will be fun watching you
and the rebuilding process. Go UTES!@Ducky, the only thing sad is
your comment. Please don't complain about trolls on byu articles. Go Gaels!
Utah, really? Good luck. Too bad he isn't a gymnast.
Loveridge is an amazing player. He has the opportunity to make an immediate
impact for the Utes. The fact that the Utes are rebuilding will give Jordan
even more playing time as a true freshman.I can't wait to see how
much better next years Utah team will be. No doubt they have a lot more talent
on the team it will be interesting to see how fast they can gel and play
together as a team. Obviously the Utes need some offense and I think Jordan
will be able to give a good spark.I don't think they will be
competing for the conference championship next year but there is no reason to
think that they won't be competing at that level in a few years.It's
a great time to be a Ute and welcome to our family Jordan
Kudos to Jordan Loveridge. He deserves the honor. 'Madden' asked if anyone
will keep Lone Peak stars from getting the award in the next two years. It's
interesting. Because Lone Peak has won with a tandum of stars over the past
several years, they haven't produced a Mr. Basketball since Jackson Emery 7
years ago. They have 4 State Titles in those 7 years and only one Mr.
Basketball. The award goes to the single most valuable player and not
necessarily the kid with the best team (though one would think that would play
into it). If that trend continues, T.J. Haws will be the next Mr. Basketball
from Lone Peak, in 2014, because he will have Emery and Mika next to him next
year. I don't see anyone in the State who will be able to knock off Lone Peak
next year, yet they likely will not have a player named Mr. Basketball to show
for it. No matter, it's a team sport and the big prize is the State
Championship. Amazing if Nick Emery ends his career without the honor. Not to
discredit Loveridge. He's an amazing player!
Congrats to this young man. I'm sure he'll stay 1 year, 2 year tops at the U,
which seems to be part and parcel of how long their recent signees have stayed
in the basketball program.
He had a fantastic year and deserved it for sure. Bummer he couldn't get the
state title, but despite the "titles mean everything" mentality that is
all the rage right now, basketball is a team sport, and the best individual
player doesn't always win the title no matter how well he plays.I
don't follow HS hoops that closely, but is there anyone out there who can keep
the Lone Peak stars from getting this award in 2013 and 2014?Who
should be on the radar for next season?