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Educators praise collaborative effort of 2012 session

Published: Thursday, March 8 2012 11:38 p.m. MST

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ClarkHippo
Tooele, UT

@Steven S Jarvis

You said - "Abstinence has the highest failure rate of any birth control method."

Huh?

I think you meant to say "success rate" didn't you? I have yet to met a single person on earth who got pregnant because they didn't have sex.

You also said - "Sex education is not a school responsibility. It is the parents."

I'm sure you're a wonderful father to your kids, and you and your wife teach them regularly about being responsible, self-restrained people.

Sadly though, today in 2012, in a world full of poverty, single-parent homes, alcohol and drug abuse, the Internet and so many other problems, not all kids are as lucky as yours.

Kids who don't have adequate parental or adult supervision are going to become sexually active, and if they don't have a full and realistic understanding of their actions, society in general will suffer.

That's why Governor Hebert needs to veto this bill and tell the legislature, "Try again."

Jason75
LAYTON, UT

I noticed that there was a merit pay bill passed but it says that educators can be denied raises for poor performance. How about a raise or stipend for excellent performance? Also, there needs to be some sex education in schools because there are far to many parents too afraid or too stupid to teach their kids about sex. I wonder sometimes how we have so many kids in Utah because their are a lot of embarrassed, wall-flowered parents who won't even say the word "sex."

Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

@ClarkHippo,

There are loads of scary things out there. Drugs, sex, Barney the Dinosaur, porn, violent games, the news, politics and other things can be pretty scary for even adults to navigate. Does the existence of scary things give us the right to use the government to tell other people how to raise their children? In most cases I say no. It is not the governments role. It is still the parents responsibility.

Your logic is fairly simple regarding the success rate of abstinence. The problem is that real statistics don't ignore failures simply because something went wrong with the method. Like condoms, the pill or any method, each time it is not used correctly, the method fails and a pregnancy occurs. That is why Bristol Palin counts as a failure of abstinence.

NoCoolName_Tom
Orem, UT

For all those who are saying that it's your responsibility as to how you will raise your kids and not the government's: I totally agree.

Until your kid is having sex with my kid.

It's a possibility no matter how hard I try to raise my daughter with the goal of abstaining until marriage. And frankly, if your kid receives as much information from you guys as I got from my own parents before I was married, then we probably won't be too surprised to find we're all grandparents now. I don't just *want* your kid to have quality sex education, including contraceptives, I *need* your kid to have quality sex education. My daughters will get that information from their parents when they get older, but why does the safety of your kid depend upon what I plan on teaching my daughters. Society as a whole benefits when safe sex practices are taught. We could just as easily take driver's ed out of schools and depend upon families to teach their own kids to drive. WE don't because that would be a safety nightmare. It's the same story with sex education.

Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

@NoCoolNameTom

Driver's ed has been very close at times to being removed from the State curriculum, but never the requirement that a course had to be taken to obtain a license. I would not be opposed to requiring a sex-ed course be required before obtaining a marriage license so long as it actually covers what really needs to be taught. The CURRENT law does not allow accurate information to be given even if the student requests it.

I am sure you know your daughter best and have done a fine job keeping her safe. Keep talking to her about everything as she grows up voicing your concerns and it won't matter what education or lack there of the guy she dates has so long as she respects herself and her family to make the best choices.

metisophia
Ogden, UT

"My school makes it simple by bringing someone in from outside the school who has a medical background."

Not even that may be allowed in this ridiculous law. No one will be able to mention contraception. No one will be able to answer a student's question. No one will be able to discuss STDs.

It was a foolish law, one that will surely result in greater injury to teens who already have limited information.

Does anyone actually think that when a student asks a question to which the teacher must say "I am not allowed to answer that. Go ask your parent." s/he will really do so?

You would trust the internet before you would trust a qualified teacher or nurse?

cavetroll
SANDY, UT

@activ2004

What does a Temple Recommend question have to do with educating children, many of whom are not LDS?

Instereo
Eureka, UT

Governor Herbert should veto this "sex education" bill.

I find it interesting that so many that feel this bill is good and claim sex education should be a family responsibility are so worried that the school will hurt their family education process.

As I see it, if a family really does take its responsibility seriously, they shouldn't have to worry about what the school does. In other words I believe families have a lot more influence in a child's life then schools do. Here is where the bad policy of this bill comes in. If all families were responsible in how they raised their children, we wouldn't have to worry but not all families are responsible in all matters particularly when it comes to sex education.

The old law this bill is replacing allowed parents to opt out if they wanted. Now teachers can't even teach which will hurt many children who live in families where hopefully they are loved but where they may not get adequate information about sex from their parents. If they don't get this information at school, where will they get it?

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

In 2009, for every 1000 girls between the ages of 15 - 19, 35.5 of them got pregnant. This represents an abstinence failure of at least 3.55% - at least because chances are that not every girl who had sex got pregnant and even those that did probably did not get pregnant the first and/or only time they had sex.

Abstinence is only effective if it is practiced effectively.

Sarah Palin taught her children abstinence only. This was reaffirmed at school and at church. This method failed for two of her children - her other children are still young enough this has not been an issue yet.

Would teaching comprehensive sex education have prevented her children from having sex - probably not. But it may have prevented the resulting pregnancies.

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