Educators praise collaborative effort of 2012 session
In 2009, for every 1000 girls between the ages of 15 - 19, 35.5 of them got
pregnant. This represents an abstinence failure of at least 3.55% - at least
because chances are that not every girl who had sex got pregnant and even those
that did probably did not get pregnant the first and/or only time they had
sex.Abstinence is only effective if it is practiced effectively.Sarah Palin taught her children abstinence only. This was reaffirmed at
school and at church. This method failed for two of her children - her other
children are still young enough this has not been an issue yet.Would
teaching comprehensive sex education have prevented her children from having sex
- probably not. But it may have prevented the resulting pregnancies.
Governor Herbert should veto this "sex education" bill.I
find it interesting that so many that feel this bill is good and claim sex
education should be a family responsibility are so worried that the school will
hurt their family education process. As I see it, if a family really
does take its responsibility seriously, they shouldn't have to worry about what
the school does. In other words I believe families have a lot more influence in
a child's life then schools do. Here is where the bad policy of this bill comes
in. If all families were responsible in how they raised their children, we
wouldn't have to worry but not all families are responsible in all matters
particularly when it comes to sex education. The old law this bill
is replacing allowed parents to opt out if they wanted. Now teachers can't even
teach which will hurt many children who live in families where hopefully they
are loved but where they may not get adequate information about sex from their
parents. If they don't get this information at school, where will they get it?
@activ2004What does a Temple Recommend question have to do with
educating children, many of whom are not LDS?
"My school makes it simple by bringing someone in from outside the school
who has a medical background."Not even that may be allowed in
this ridiculous law. No one will be able to mention contraception. No one will
be able to answer a student's question. No one will be able to discuss STDs.It was a foolish law, one that will surely result in greater injury to
teens who already have limited information.Does anyone actually
think that when a student asks a question to which the teacher must say "I
am not allowed to answer that. Go ask your parent." s/he will really do so?
You would trust the internet before you would trust a qualified
teacher or nurse?
@NoCoolNameTomDriver's ed has been very close at times to being
removed from the State curriculum, but never the requirement that a course had
to be taken to obtain a license. I would not be opposed to requiring a sex-ed
course be required before obtaining a marriage license so long as it actually
covers what really needs to be taught. The CURRENT law does not allow accurate
information to be given even if the student requests it.I am sure
you know your daughter best and have done a fine job keeping her safe. Keep
talking to her about everything as she grows up voicing your concerns and it
won't matter what education or lack there of the guy she dates has so long as
she respects herself and her family to make the best choices.
For all those who are saying that it's your responsibility as to how you will
raise your kids and not the government's: I totally agree.Until your
kid is having sex with my kid.It's a possibility no matter how hard
I try to raise my daughter with the goal of abstaining until marriage. And
frankly, if your kid receives as much information from you guys as I got from my
own parents before I was married, then we probably won't be too surprised to
find we're all grandparents now. I don't just *want* your kid to have quality
sex education, including contraceptives, I *need* your kid to have quality sex
education. My daughters will get that information from their parents when they
get older, but why does the safety of your kid depend upon what I plan on
teaching my daughters. Society as a whole benefits when safe sex practices are
taught. We could just as easily take driver's ed out of schools and depend upon
families to teach their own kids to drive. WE don't because that would be a
safety nightmare. It's the same story with sex education.
@ClarkHippo,There are loads of scary things out there. Drugs, sex,
Barney the Dinosaur, porn, violent games, the news, politics and other things
can be pretty scary for even adults to navigate. Does the existence of scary
things give us the right to use the government to tell other people how to raise
their children? In most cases I say no. It is not the governments role. It is
still the parents responsibility.Your logic is fairly simple
regarding the success rate of abstinence. The problem is that real statistics
don't ignore failures simply because something went wrong with the method. Like
condoms, the pill or any method, each time it is not used correctly, the method
fails and a pregnancy occurs. That is why Bristol Palin counts as a failure of
I noticed that there was a merit pay bill passed but it says that educators can
be denied raises for poor performance. How about a raise or stipend for
excellent performance? Also, there needs to be some sex education in schools
because there are far to many parents too afraid or too stupid to teach their
kids about sex. I wonder sometimes how we have so many kids in Utah because
their are a lot of embarrassed, wall-flowered parents who won't even say the
@Steven S JarvisYou said - "Abstinence has the highest failure
rate of any birth control method."Huh? I think you
meant to say "success rate" didn't you? I have yet to met a single
person on earth who got pregnant because they didn't have sex.You
also said - "Sex education is not a school responsibility. It is the
parents."I'm sure you're a wonderful father to your kids, and
you and your wife teach them regularly about being responsible, self-restrained
people.Sadly though, today in 2012, in a world full of poverty,
single-parent homes, alcohol and drug abuse, the Internet and so many other
problems, not all kids are as lucky as yours.Kids who don't have
adequate parental or adult supervision are going to become sexually active, and
if they don't have a full and realistic understanding of their actions, society
in general will suffer.That's why Governor Hebert needs to veto this
bill and tell the legislature, "Try again."
You can bet if Herbert vetoes this bill, the two or three Republicans running
against him for governor will quickly jump on the Eagle Forum, right wing band
wagon and talk about how Herbert is pro-teen sex, pro-feminist and anything else
their propaganda machine can dream up.If Hebert vetoes this bill
(which he should) it will show he's got true guts and that he isn't simply a
puppet of the far right. More and more, we have politicians who
are simply Yes Men to their fringe constituents. In politics, the word
"courage" is no longer considered a virtue. Instead, it's considered a
sign that you're a "radical" or "extremist."Governor
Herbert, show the voters here in Utah that you have courage. Veto this bill.
@ThatsSoUtah,Abstinence has the highest failure rate of any birth
control method. Teaching it solely is not an adequate or responsible approach.
While I am not advocating this method be taught, I am advocating a simple
message that seems to have been forgotten. Sex education is not a school
responsibility. It is the parents. Teachers are not qualified
medical professionals, so passing this responsibility onto us was never correct
in the first place. We already face lawsuits whenever suggesting things
regarding medications, so there is a great risk regarding teaching anything off
script. My school makes it simple by bringing someone in from outside the
school who has a medical background.
HB 363 addressing sex education when read in detail seems more like a
"symbolic" bill that both sides and both parties can complain about.
Additionally, The Deseret News article doesn't accurately describe the contents
of the bill, using only what seems like dramatic, sensational and incomplete
phrases from the bill that only add to the misconceptions about the impact on
this bill on local school districts and students.
I am laughing at each post that suggests teenagers go on the internet to
research information regarding sex, STDs, and contraceptives. For those who
think their teenagers will Google appropriate sites, let me translate: porn.
If over 13,000 signed the petition with one of the most liberal and progressive
movements in the United States from a state with mainly conservative views
relating to this topic, there must be a sentiment out there that the Legislature
sort of blew it like the voucher issue and GRAMA issue.
I agree that it is the parents responsibility to teach their children about safe
sex and avoiding STD's. The reality is that many parents are either incapable or
improperly equipped to do so.As Utah law currently stands, parents
have the choice to not allow their children to take a sexual education class in
school if that is what they feel is the best way to raise their kids. All this
bill does is possibly take away my choice to decide what is the best way educate
my children. And takes away the opportunity to an education that many children
wouldn't receive any other way.Please make the right choice Governor
Herbert, and veto this bill.
Gov. Herbert:PLEASE VETO THIS BILL!!I am a Conservative
and a Tea Partyer and I am against another intrusion of government into the
@ThatsSoUtah"He said his decision would be based on what is "good
policy for the state of Utah."He is openly admitting that he
doesn't care what the residents of the state want. That is a great attitude for
a public official to have. "Sometimes it is. Sometimes good
policy is to do something very unpopular but unnecessary. The bailouts are one
thing that comes to mind. If we're to balance the budget or even get close they
will have to make very unpopular decisions on the tax and spending sides of it.
Center for Disease Control and Prevention Website Non-Political yet
extremely costlyTeen PregnancyÂIn 2009, a total of
409,840 infants were born to Â19 year olds, for a live birth rate of
39.1 per 1,000 women in this age groupÂ.Non-Political yet
extremely costlySexually Transmitted DiseasesToo many to
nameNon-Political yet extremely costly Youth SuicideÂSuicide (i.e., taking one's own life) is a serious public health
problem that affects even young people. For youth between the ages of  and
24, suicide is the third leading cause of death. It results in approximately
4400 lives lost each year.Â
The fiscal, patriotic statesmen/women who drafted, voted for and passed this
legislation should have a plaque made and displayed in the Utah State Capitol in
their honor.It would be a horrifying tragedy if Gov. Herbert
succumbs to the morally destructive, socially progressive weeping and wailing
and vetoes this most important legislation that is going to be prove to be the
firm foundation which a [majority] of the children and young adults of this
state are pleading for."While we teach sex in schools and
publicly portray the vilest of filth on the movie screen, we virtually make a
criminal of a schoolteacher who would bring a Bible into the classroom or who
might ask the students to recite the LordÂs Prayer. So far have we lost our
sense of values?"Elder Mark E PetersonLDS General
Conference June  "Do you affiliate with any group or
individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted
by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or do you sympathize with
the precepts of any such group or individual?" LDS Temple Recommend Question
Herbert is afraid of gayle and the eagle form they run the legislature and he
There merits of this bill will be judged by the Governor. However, the petition
group is a very liberal and progressive organization that may have an ulterior
motive in this process. However, the legislature does things like this type of
activity on the last day. When you sign into the petition site, you will give
them all your information for e-mailings.
@Steven S JarvisYour position is that parents should teach it, but
most likely don't. That's okay though because kids can figure it out on their
own or google it?I hardly think that "guess and check" is an
appropriate method for sex education.
It is bad policy.Period.
The veto will hinge on whether the bill is good policy or bad policy? This is
kind of obvious, should it not be? Of course bad policy should be vetoed. And
this bill is really bad policy.
I love how it says near the end that the legislature addressed the "top
priorities" with the funding. Apparently creating yet another kind of test
for students is a top priority but keeping teachers sane and happy? Nah. I'm
thinking of moving to Wyoming. Their classes are capped at 16 and the starting
base salary is more money than I make now after 10 years of teaching. I
recognize that we have funding issues that other states may not have, but when
more is expected each year and little support is offered (not even necessarily
monetary support) it gets harder to be a happy teacher in Utah.
"good policy for the state of Utah."---The
"sex ed" bill is bad policy for the state. Abstinence Only is not
"sex education" it is, by default, hiding your head in the sand chanting
nyah, nyah, nyah and refusing to face reality.
Herbert said he would not be swayed by mass email efforts or other campaigns. He
said his decision would be based on what is "good policy for the state of
Utah."He is openly admitting that he doesn't care what the
residents of the state want. That is a great attitude for a public official to
have. Maybe his next approach will be to cover his ears and yell "LA LA LA
LA LA LA, CAN'T HEAR YOU" until people leave him alone.
Governor Herbert,Veto this stupid bill. Please.
I fully expect this bill to be signed because it precisely reflects Conservative
Republican ideals. Doing so isn't as fatalistic as it would have been five
years ago.Schools are not the best forum for sex education. It is
the home. While I never received a lesson on the mechanics or even the talk, my
parents taught me respect and patience. I knew about the existence of birth
control because it is everywhere in the media. Any questions I had I could look
up and figure out on my own. In the past I believe that without
the schools the vital life-saving information was impossible to get.
Fortunately, we live in a tech savvy age. Kids can get sex education on their
cell phones if they can't get it from their parents.