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Educators praise collaborative effort of 2012 session

Published: Thursday, March 8 2012 11:00 p.m. MST

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Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

I fully expect this bill to be signed because it precisely reflects Conservative Republican ideals. Doing so isn't as fatalistic as it would have been five years ago.

Schools are not the best forum for sex education. It is the home. While I never received a lesson on the mechanics or even the talk, my parents taught me respect and patience. I knew about the existence of birth control because it is everywhere in the media. Any questions I had I could look up and figure out on my own.

In the past I believe that without the schools the vital life-saving information was impossible to get. Fortunately, we live in a tech savvy age. Kids can get sex education on their cell phones if they can't get it from their parents.

Cache, UT

Governor Herbert,
Veto this stupid bill.

Fredericksburg, VA

Herbert said he would not be swayed by mass email efforts or other campaigns. He said his decision would be based on what is "good policy for the state of Utah."

He is openly admitting that he doesn't care what the residents of the state want. That is a great attitude for a public official to have. Maybe his next approach will be to cover his ears and yell "LA LA LA LA LA LA, CAN'T HEAR YOU" until people leave him alone.

Huntsville, UT

"good policy for the state of Utah."


The "sex ed" bill is bad policy for the state. Abstinence Only is not "sex education" it is, by default, hiding your head in the sand chanting nyah, nyah, nyah and refusing to face reality.

Eagle Mountain, UT

I love how it says near the end that the legislature addressed the "top priorities" with the funding. Apparently creating yet another kind of test for students is a top priority but keeping teachers sane and happy? Nah. I'm thinking of moving to Wyoming. Their classes are capped at 16 and the starting base salary is more money than I make now after 10 years of teaching. I recognize that we have funding issues that other states may not have, but when more is expected each year and little support is offered (not even necessarily monetary support) it gets harder to be a happy teacher in Utah.

Springville, UT

The veto will hinge on whether the bill is good policy or bad policy? This is kind of obvious, should it not be? Of course bad policy should be vetoed. And this bill is really bad policy.

A Scientist
Provo, UT

It is bad policy.

Fredericksburg, VA

@Steven S Jarvis

Your position is that parents should teach it, but most likely don't. That's okay though because kids can figure it out on their own or google it?

I hardly think that "guess and check" is an appropriate method for sex education.

Kaysville, UT

There merits of this bill will be judged by the Governor. However, the petition group is a very liberal and progressive organization that may have an ulterior motive in this process. However, the legislature does things like this type of activity on the last day. When you sign into the petition site, you will give them all your information for e-mailings.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Herbert is afraid of gayle and the eagle form they run the legislature and he knows it.

Clearfield, UT

The fiscal, patriotic statesmen/women who drafted, voted for and passed this legislation should have a plaque made and displayed in the Utah State Capitol in their honor.

It would be a horrifying tragedy if Gov. Herbert succumbs to the morally destructive, socially progressive weeping and wailing and vetoes this most important legislation that is going to be prove to be the firm foundation which a [majority] of the children and young adults of this state are pleading for.

"While we teach sex in schools and publicly portray the vilest of filth on the movie screen, we virtually make a criminal of a schoolteacher who would bring a Bible into the classroom or who might ask the students to recite the LordÂs Prayer. So far have we lost our sense of values?"

Elder Mark E Peterson

LDS General Conference June [1971]

"Do you affiliate with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or do you sympathize with the precepts of any such group or individual?" LDS Temple Recommend Question #6

Clearfield, UT

Center for Disease Control and Prevention Website

Non-Political yet extremely costly

Teen Pregnancy

ÂIn 2009, a total of 409,840 infants were born to [15]Â19 year olds, for a live birth rate of 39.1 per 1,000 women in this age groupÂ.

Non-Political yet extremely costly

Sexually Transmitted Diseases

Too many to name

Non-Political yet extremely costly

Youth Suicide

ÂSuicide (i.e., taking one's own life) is a serious public health problem that affects even young people. For youth between the ages of [10] and 24, suicide is the third leading cause of death. It results in approximately 4400 lives lost each year.Â

Salt Lake City, UT

"He said his decision would be based on what is "good policy for the state of Utah."

He is openly admitting that he doesn't care what the residents of the state want. That is a great attitude for a public official to have. "

Sometimes it is. Sometimes good policy is to do something very unpopular but unnecessary. The bailouts are one thing that comes to mind. If we're to balance the budget or even get close they will have to make very unpopular decisions on the tax and spending sides of it.

Saint George, UT

Gov. Herbert:


I am a Conservative and a Tea Partyer and I am against another intrusion of government into the schools.

salt lake city, UT

I agree that it is the parents responsibility to teach their children about safe sex and avoiding STD's. The reality is that many parents are either incapable or improperly equipped to do so.

As Utah law currently stands, parents have the choice to not allow their children to take a sexual education class in school if that is what they feel is the best way to raise their kids. All this bill does is possibly take away my choice to decide what is the best way educate my children. And takes away the opportunity to an education that many children wouldn't receive any other way.

Please make the right choice Governor Herbert, and veto this bill.

Kaysville, UT

If over 13,000 signed the petition with one of the most liberal and progressive movements in the United States from a state with mainly conservative views relating to this topic, there must be a sentiment out there that the Legislature sort of blew it like the voucher issue and GRAMA issue.


I am laughing at each post that suggests teenagers go on the internet to research information regarding sex, STDs, and contraceptives. For those who think their teenagers will Google appropriate sites, let me translate: porn.

Clearfield, UT

HB 363 addressing sex education when read in detail seems more like a "symbolic" bill that both sides and both parties can complain about. Additionally, The Deseret News article doesn't accurately describe the contents of the bill, using only what seems like dramatic, sensational and incomplete phrases from the bill that only add to the misconceptions about the impact on this bill on local school districts and students.

Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT


Abstinence has the highest failure rate of any birth control method. Teaching it solely is not an adequate or responsible approach. While I am not advocating this method be taught, I am advocating a simple message that seems to have been forgotten. Sex education is not a school responsibility. It is the parents.

Teachers are not qualified medical professionals, so passing this responsibility onto us was never correct in the first place. We already face lawsuits whenever suggesting things regarding medications, so there is a great risk regarding teaching anything off script. My school makes it simple by bringing someone in from outside the school who has a medical background.

Tooele, UT

You can bet if Herbert vetoes this bill, the two or three Republicans running against him for governor will quickly jump on the Eagle Forum, right wing band wagon and talk about how Herbert is pro-teen sex, pro-feminist and anything else their propaganda machine can dream up.

If Hebert vetoes this bill (which he should) it will show he's got true guts and that he isn't simply a puppet of the far right.

More and more, we have politicians who are simply Yes Men to their fringe constituents. In politics, the word "courage" is no longer considered a virtue. Instead, it's considered a sign that you're a "radical" or "extremist."

Governor Herbert, show the voters here in Utah that you have courage. Veto this bill.

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