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Published: Sunday, March 4 2012 9:33 p.m. MST

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RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

"Mr. Foxman's counsel was to stress the importance of people avoiding masks that hide their true identity," Elder Cook said.

--- This is good advice, Elder Cook. Perhaps the LDS Church should follow it and stop hiding behind "front organizations" in their fight against the rights of GLBT American Citizens.

"It is common today to hide one's identity when writing hateful, vitriolic, bigoted communications anonymously online. Some refer to it as flaming."

--- Is it any different to hide your identity behind organizations like NOM and the like? Letting others do your dirty work isn't any better.

Yes, my comment is posted anonymously; for very good reason.

Dennis
Harwich, MA

We live in a society where you can't afford to not wear a mask. Too many will take advantage of you and literally destroy your life. The old adage of "holding your cards close to your vest" has never been more true. It's not a matter of wearing a mask, but why. Elder Cook missed the boat on this talk.

m.g. scott
LAYTON, UT

I hope the post by Thomas Jefferson is his real name. It would be kind of funny if it were not, as Elder Cook did make mention that many people mask up on these kinds of websites. And Dennis of Harwich MA does make an important point. Today there are so many people out there who want to destroy a person for speaking something that they may find insulting or disagree with. I have always taken the "sticks and stones" approach to speech, but in todays PC society that no longer applies. As some have said, the best counter to speech you don't agree with is more free speech, not censorship. But today you can lose your job or get kicked out of college for saying the wrong thing. I think if there is any "slippery slope" regarding our 1st Amendment rights, we may be seeing it with the PC speech codes. Plus, isn't it better for a person to reveal who they really are by the things they say rather than force them to hide behind some mask?

USAlover
Salt Lake City, UT

Great message. I need to do better.

Phranc
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

good advice for the LDS church itself.... National organization for marriage ring any bells?

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

But I live in Utah,
and I'm not a Republican.

I get enough verbal threats as is,
and I fear the conservatives AM radio mobs will torch my house,
and my children will no longer have any friends.

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

Is it fear that keeps one from stating who they are or is it just that they refuse to acknowledge themselves and hide behind the mask. I listened to the talk and I disagree with Dennis whole heartedly. Basically the majority of society show respect for someone's differing points of view. However, there are those who for some reason refuse to show themselves for who they really are.

Look at who he said throughout history wore masks, KKK members, those who mobbed, persecuted and murdered many helpless Mormons in Missouri and Ohio. Did he miss it at all? No what he refused to acknowledge is those who think fear is something they can put out to others. LDS Liberal says that hiding behind his name protects him, yet it really is a measure to hide himself from what he calls ridicule. What it really amounts to is that he professes somethings that goes against even the democratic stallwarts of Harry Reid and others. I may disagree with Harry but there is one thing I respect and that is he is still as faithful as ever. How about others who hide behind Animity for nothing more than to shut out the world.

VocalLocal
Salt Lake, UT

I do think there are times when 'masks' can be used to do things which are cruel and wrong. I personally condemn behavior such as bullying or threats under such maska. Hopefully we will limit such behavior in ourselves or others.

However there are many situations where masks can greatly aid in our ability to do much good. There are many tip lines, for example, that mask informants in order to uncover inappropriate or unlawful behavior. Anonymity has also been the means of expressing great ideas. Thomas Paine wrote the pamphlet Common Sense under the mask of anonymity. Many, including some of the founding fathers, have insisted without that publication the rally for America's independence would have died.

I think 'masks' can be a matter of concern and certainly hiding our behavior can be wrong and inappropriate. However I think sharing our ideas and knowledge in a way that mitigates social consequences in some circumstances can often facilitate an open exchange that enhances our ability to uncover truth.

TheProudDuck
Newport Beach, CA

Why do we have secret ballots? Why do we insist on "the mask of anonymity" when we express our political choices as electors?

Well, because history shows that a lot of people who make their livelihoods from controlling governments, defend their livelihoods by intimidating people against turning them out. LDS members who contributed to Proposition 8 in California were often naively unaware that their opposition considers politics the continuation of war by other means. If you stand up to them, they will try to make your life as miserable as possible.

If Elder Cook is calling us to be ready to accept those consequences of standing up to the truth, fine. TheProudDuck will disappear, and the man behind it will give his name. But I'm aways leery of unilateral disarmament, since the people who want us to stand up fully exposed to their intimidation have no intention of similarly exposing themselves.

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

Phranc,

The LDS Church publishes its beliefs openly, peacefully, and respectfully rather than attacking others. We support respectful discourse always. The masked hateful attacks responding to our beliefs regarding marriage stands completely in contrast to our respectfully voicing our views in the democracy we have equal rights to govern in.

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Bill in Nebraska,

First- Thanks for the response on the other article. I didn't think you refereed to my comment, just cautiously clarifying.

Second- "hiding behind his name protects him, yet it really is a measure to hide himself from what he calls ridicule."

I agree. In principle it serves to insulate oneself from public shame or support. It is hiding from being open and honest. Why? Because I have myself. My feelings recently changed regarding this, and this article solidified my decision. I will even be changing my screen name soon because of this.

Third- "I may disagree with Harry but there is one thing I respect and that is he is still as faithful as ever."

This is simply a fantastic statement. I don't agree with him on many things, but I find the disrespect he receives from some members even less agreeable for that very reason.

George
Bronx, NY

sorry that last comment was to voice of reason.

Phranc
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@voice of reason
the court decisions surrounding the LDS church and its shell organizations claims about gay marriage and findings by various government agencies concerning the LDS churches lack of disclosures would say otherwise. Sorry

Moontan
Roanoke, VA

@ThomasJefferson ... You say "There is still a pervasive element of bigotry and discrimination among many members of the LDS faith" (which I don't think anyone could possibly claim with any degree of authority) and you categorize an entire group of people as the 'misinformed minority'. You go on to imply that Marines are vulgar, and Gonzaga fans make evil comments. But then you quote the passage "judge not, lest ye be judged".

That dog just won't hunt, sir.

As far as disparaging views of minorities contained in racial jokes, research the views on race held by your namesake.

Phranc
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@voice of reason
I take issue with your claims. unfortunately that is about all the DN will allow me to say on the issue but have a nice night.

RichardB
Murray, UT

There are all types of masks. I see lobbying with no transparency as a form of a mask. Deals made in private are masks.

It seems we all wear the at times.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

VoR says:

The LDS Church publishes its beliefs openly, peacefully, and respectfully rather than attacking others.
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(From: Baehr vs. Lewin trial )

In 1995, ... Church leadership identified the type of committee they wanted to create to stop same-sex marriage in Hawaii, and they set it up.

...the Mormon Church established their front group in Hawaii to pass a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage in that state after the Hawaii Supreme Court heard the case. The Mormon Church established its front group called HawaiiÂs Future Today (HFT) in the fall of 1995, 3 years before the election to pass a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage in Hawaii.

They hired lobbyists, consultants, campaign managers, attorneys and had one very high ranking Mormon on the Board, Jack Hoag, the recently retired Chairman of the Church-owned First Hawaiian Bank. They were able to get money into HawaiiÂs Future Today (HFT) that would go unreported. These actions hid their direct involvement while creating a coalition to lead the effort.

Masks or not?

sharrona
layton, UT

A voice of Reason, The LDS Church publishes its beliefs openly, peacefully, and respectfully rather than attacking others?
JS said,¦all their creeds were an abomination in my sight; that those professors were corrupt. Joseph Smith History.
Brigham Young said, The Christian world so-called, are heathen as to the knowledge of the salvation of God(JoD 8:171.

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: A voice of Reason, The LDS Church publishes its beliefs openly, peacefully, and respectfully rather than attacking others?
JS said.¦all their creeds were an abomination in my sight; that those professors were corrupt. Joseph Smith History.
Brigham Young, The Christian world so-called, are heathen as to the knowledge of the salvation of God(JoD 8:171.

LValfre
CHICAGO, IL

"A voice of Reason, The LDS Church publishes its beliefs openly, peacefully, and respectfully rather than attacking others?"

Have to agree with Sharrona. A Voice Of Reason publishes his beliefs openly, peacefully, and respectfully which I think everyone on here appreciates. The LDS Church, however, hasn't always done this. Fundamentally it doesn't ... it's the only true church.

How is it respectful to tell the world their beliefs are false because LDS is the only true church?

Moontan
Roanoke, VA

I don't think a LDS saying ours is the only true Church is necessarily being disrespectful to non-members, any more than saying 'our form of democratic government is better than communism' is being disrespectful to the Chinese. It's a statement of belief about our Church, not a disparaging remark about other Churches. And it isn't said from an attitude of exclusiveness: anybody can join. We're not Victorian era aristocrats looking down our noses at commoners.

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