JoeBlow,Prescription drugs are abused in EVERY community I know of
(not just Utah/Mormons). I don't think it's a Utah thing, or a religion thing.
It's just a human thing.But I agree that almost all things when
used in the wrong amounts cause harm. And even most poisons have theraputic
uses in tiny amounts. Same with Alchohol.
2-bits, We are probably on the same page.I am not saying that
alcohol is a healthy option. The argument that alcohol is a net negative to
society is easily made. Even most if not all positive and healthy
things in life become a negative when taken to excess.My point is
that for most of those who drink alcohol, there is not a problem and there is
not a negative. And there could be a positive for those who do not abuse it.Responsible use of prescription drugs is not a negative, however we know
that they will be abused by too many. Certainly an issue in Utah. Is that
because of the Religious bias against alcohol? Certainly a very realistic
possibility.In Utah, the discussion of Alcohol is difficult because
of the Religious overtones.
Anyone who does not stand up against being searched when the officer has no
reasonable suspicion is very unpatriotic. Americans should not allow their
rights to be trampled.
JoeBlow,Alchohol may have some positive values, but it also
OBVIOUSLY has some negatives too.You can talk study-speak if you
want, but you can also find studies that show that most of our societies ills
today can be traced directly back to Drug or Alchohol consuption. Ask a
policeman or a judge what substances lead to most of the incidents and
interactions they deal with on a day-to-day basis.I'm not saying
it's ALL bad. But you have to admit that it's not all good. Studies that found slight benefits in alchohol consumtion studied very LIGHT
alchohol consuption (not the way most drinkers abuse alchohol in America). The
studies mention they set asside the obvious alchohol related ills and focused
only on the tiny plus they were looking for in Alchohol consuption (there are
warnings about the ills at the end of all those studies). Even the studies
that found slight benefits warn that the benefits are only there when consumed
very lightly. And most people don't tend to use alchohol in the ammounts in the
studies that showed SOME benefit. I can site numerous studies that show the
PROBLEMS of alchohol consumption in America if you like.Just
sayin... don't pretend just because there's a few studies that show some small
benefit in consuming small amounts of alchohol... that ALL consumption, even
binge drinking is a "GOOD" thing. It's simply not. You can find studies
proving that too.
JCS writes "deadly substance with absolutely no positive values.
The time has come to recognize that the same is true for alcohol."Completely false statement. 2 minutes of research will confirm
that you are incorrect.Studies have shown that moderate use of
alcohol and caffeine may just be healthy.But, who needs science when
we already know the truth.
John Charity SpringBack Home in Davis County, UTIt is time to say
that enough is enough and to banish this insidious evil from our pressence once
and for all.7:58 a.m. Feb. 27, 2012================ Dear John, Please stop trampling the United States Consitution.Sincerely, AmericaU.S. ConstitutionAmmendment
18.1. After one year from the ratification of this article the
manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the
importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and
all territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is
hereby prohibited.U.s. ConstitutionAmmendmend 211. The
eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is
cell phone --- orDUI tweet ---"Checkpoint on I-15,
don't go there."Get with the times.Checkpoints are not
only un-Constitutional, but are obsolete.FYI - We'd be better off
with a DUI tip-line # for motorists to call in, like in OTHER states!Utah is sooooo behind the times.
John Charity Spring,The difference is... I've never heard of anybody
killing someone because they were driving under the influence of tobacco.Drinking alchohol isn't illegal. DRIVING after drinking is illegal. I
don't get the logic behind, "if driving under the influence is illegal then
all tobacco consuption should be illegal".I think smoking is
stupid, but it's not illegal. If we start trying to regulate or illegalise
stupidity... where does it end? Do we make consuption of trans-fats illegal?
Do we make potato chips illegal? Do we make it against the law to not take the
government recommended vitamins each morning? Where does it stop?
Sarah, Have there been any sobriety checkpoints in UTAH that didn't find a
single offender? I haven't heard of any.All the news reports I've
heard after our checkpoints have mentioned some pretty impressive numbers of
arrests, not only for DUI but also for other related offenses (open container,
drugs, driving on suspended license, etc).If checkpoints for
EVERYONE is a bad thing... why do we do this at our airports?If you
do a saturation and pull over more selected people on the street they will just
say you "Profiled" them. And if profiling driver behavior is OK then
why do we fight AGAINST any profiling in airport security checks?Political correctness seems to be directly aimed at making it harder to insure
To call sobriety checkpoints "ineffective" because no perps were caught
misses the whole point of law enforcement, which is to get the public to comply
with the law. In a perfect world there would be no arrests because everyone
would obey the law. Waiting until there is firm visual evidence that
a driver is impaired (weaving, etc) or worse, a deadly accident, is not
acceptable because of the risk to the general public. Checkpoints can and do
stop problems before they become serious by finding open containers, drugs and
drug paraphernalia, underage possession, etc. @isrred - "Those
who don't drink ALWAYS conflate alcoholism/drunkenness with responsible
consumption of alcohol. The two are in no way the same." Every
problem drinker was at one time a "responsible" (self-proclaimed)
drinker. Alcohol is an addictive drug. Alcoholism is a deadly disease that no
"responsible" drinker is immune to. "Responsible" drinkers often
are in denial about the fact that they are indeed problem drinkers, and all too
often "responsible" drinkers don't accept that fact until something
John Charity Spring. While I agree with you concerning tobacco and
alcohol and I am against the right of a person to kill themselves, I am not
quite ready to take away a personÂs freedom just because it harms that
person. If a personÂs indulgence can be made harmless to others, let the
harm begin. As a fat old man who literally loves the taste of food,
you can understand my meaning. Once in a while, under the threat of a gout
flair, I will eat a steak.
Until vehicles are made totally automatic and require no input at all from the
passengers, no driver, I would like the government to take as many steps as
possible to prevent the bad parts of driving, accidents, broken laws, etc. from
taking away the freedom of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. If alcohol is a problem in the use of cars, stop allowing alcohol is cars.
Even if and especially if it is in the belly of the driver or the passengers.
My preference would by a solution from the technological world that
would prevent the operation of a vehicle if alcohol is sensed within the
vehicle. Public transportation, taxi cabs, excepted. In the same vein, texting
would be blocked when the vehicle is in motion. These things are available now.
The other thing, if a person continually refuses to comply with the
laws regarding driving, they should loose their license for life.
"The time has come to recognize that the same is true for alcohol."Except that this is simply scientifically, and medically untrue. Those who
don't drink ALWAYS conflate alcoholism/drunkenness with responsible consumption
of alcohol. The two are in no way the same.
It is clear and obvious that sobriety checkpoints are extremely successful at
removing dangerous drunken fools from the roadways. However, more can and should
be done.Our society has evolved to the point that there is no longer
any doubt that tobacco is a deadly substance with absolutely no positive values.
The time has come to recognize that the same is true for alcohol.An
enlighten society cannot afford the millions of deaths, diseases, and broken
homes that come from alcohol use. It is time to say that enough is enough and to
banish this insidious evil from our pressence once and for all.