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Published: Friday, Feb. 24 2012 5:00 a.m. MST

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Bloodhound
Provo, UT

Religious groups should be able to discriminate against individuals they believe are behaving immorally. Not all discrimination is bad. Years ago a person was proud that they had a discriminating taste. If things keep going this way, one day drunk drivers are going to start suing the state claiming they are being discriminated against and that they have a right to drink and drive. Crazy.

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

Places of Higher Learning should be places where diversity, difference of opinions and perspective in life should be encouraged and where the free flow of ideas is maintain and safeguarded.

No reputable college would keep its students in a bubble to make sure they are not exposed to "dangerous persuasions".

Academia is not a place for bigotry and discrimination. The Supreme Court rightfully allows Public Colleges to deny funds where certain segment of the student population is denied access.

Private Colleges may allow discriminatory practices. Of course, they pay the price of a sub-standard social and civic education.

MarieDevine Divine-Way
Kansas City, MO

Equality is not possible in the gay and Christian rights process. The US Constitution forbids the government to establish a religion; yet that is what they have done repeatedly. It is an anti-God religion and that which we call Human Rights is opposite what God commanded in all holy books. This is not about Christianity; it is about the reality of God's authority. We are either for it or against it.

Our government cannot force people of God to rent to or hire gays. They undermine their religion by their mere presence. It forces acceptance of what God forbid.

God wants homosexuals to realize they only gain by having a spouse who will help create and raise their child with equal joy. God wants a child not to be condemned, ridiculed and embarrassed because of same sex parents. Gays can still have their great friend without the sex. With God, our happiness and dignity are our greatest joy and benefit. Our government cannot legally oppose God.

LValfre
CHICAGO, IL

"MarieDevine Divine-Way
Kansas City, MO

Our government cannot legally oppose God."

And it can't legally push it on the citizens either.

I feel from your other posts that you'd like it if Christian was officially the country's religion.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@MarieDevine Divine-Way
"God wants a child not to be condemned, ridiculed and embarrassed because of same sex parents."

Exactly, which is why I'm not sure why faithful people condemn and ridicule such children. The answer isn't to take that child away from loving parents... the answer is for Christians to stop being bigoted against those children.

Jeff
Temple City, CA

@ Baccus0902

I'm not sure if you intentionally contradicted yourself or not. If "Places of Higher Learning should be places where diversity, difference of opinions and perspective in life should be encouraged and where the free flow of ideas is maintain and safeguarded" is true, then what is wrong with a club that teaches that homosexuality is evil? A club that teaches the opposite should be allowed within the "diversity and free flow of ideas" that you say you support, but with only one view (that homosexuality is normal), the free flow of ideas becomes unidirectional and not free.

I agree that "no reputable college would keep its students in a bubble to make sure they are not exposed to 'dangerous persuasions,' but you seem to suggest that discriminating against homosexuals is just the sort of 'dangerous persuasion' they must be protected from.

Further, you have established no clear logical reason for suggesting that the mere fact that if a college "allowa discriminatory practices" it will necessarily "pay the price of a sub-standard social and civic education." Are you suggesting that every college in the world that teaches its students to regard homosexuality at a sin is automatically below the standard of teaching in social and civic education? Was Harvard sub-standard before it encouraged homosexuality?

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

@ Jeff
Temple City, CA

You wrote:
" then what is wrong with a club that teaches that homosexuality is evil? A club that teaches the opposite should be allowed within the "diversity and free flow of ideas" that you say you support, but with only one view (that homosexuality is normal), the free flow of ideas becomes unidirectional and not free".

My answer:

See, there is your limitation and your bias and preconceived notions.

Nobody in his/her right mind would expect at this time and age that everybody would consider homosexuality as "normal". We all should, but we are not there yet. The problem is not thinking or expressing disapproval for homosexuality. The problem as the article mentions, is that people are being excluded for being Gay.

Can LGBT people be Christians? Are Gays who claim to be Christians? The answer to both questions is, Yes! Then, why a Christian club discriminate against somebody who is gay?
Was there an action that violated the rules of the organization? Or just, was to consider a person as not worth it of membership because of his sexual orientation? If that is the case, and based in the article it seems to have been, then it is discrimination and is wrong.

You and I can argue that Homosexuality is right or wrong. You present your reasons and I present mine to defend our positions. Nothing wrong with that. But, I cannot exclude you because of your beliefs.

Jeff, You wrote:
"I agree that "no reputable college would keep its students in a bubble to make sure they are not exposed to 'dangerous persuasions,' but you seem to suggest that discriminating against homosexuals is just the sort of 'dangerous persuasion' they must be protected from."

My answer: I'm sorry, I was being sarcastic. I think homosexuality is as natural as heterosexuality.

Jeff
You wrote and asked?
Further, you have established no clear logical reason for suggesting that the mere fact that if a college "allows discriminatory practices" it will necessarily "pay the price of a sub-standard social and civic education." Are you suggesting that every college in the world that teaches its students to regard homosexuality at a sin is automatically below the standard of teaching in social and civic education?

My answer is, Yes! A good college should teach their students to draw their own conclusions.

Jeff, you asked:
Was Harvard sub-standard before it encouraged homosexuality?

My answer: It was not at its best! that is why they have been changing their approach to homosexuality and other issues. It is part of evolving and developing through education, life and experience.

My question back to you would be : Is Harvard now a better learning Institution than before? Probably we will disagree in our answers as well. But that is o.k. as long as we can communicate.

Jeff
Temple City, CA

@ Baccus0902

You misunderstood my post. I was not arguing for or against homosexuality (though I consciously let my bias be known) or whether or not I agree that self-identified "gays" should or should not be allowed to join any club they wish (I am more sympathetic to the idea of kindness and inclusion toward homosexuals than my post may have indicated). I was pointing out that your previous post lacked a certain logic. If, as you suggest, "all ideas" must be allowed, then "all ideas" will include ideas that are distasteful to someone.

Also, if private schools find something distasteful that public schools must allow (I find fascism distateful; I would strongly advocate the complete exclusion of fascism from schools, but that would contradict your stated idea that all things must be allowed), then the private schools aren't necessarily inferior to the public schools.

My information on Harvard is based on interviews of people who have had experience with the school over the last 50 years or so. Most feel that the school is not as good as it used to be. None would believe that that is because Harvard is trying to be more accomodating to homosexuals (in fact, I don't believe that); but the fact that Harvard's more recent accomodation of homosexuals and the overall decline in Harvard's educational prowess coincide in such a way as to suggest that the mere acceptance of whatever is currently politically correct (ie, the accomodation of homosexuals) does not necessarily coincide with an overall improvement of the educational quality of a particular institution.

Of course I disagree with you on the normalcy of homosexuality, but that is only incidental to your argument that, under the guise of inclusion we include the advocacy of homosexuality or the teaching that homosexuality is normal while freely excluding other ideas that we consider wrong, and are willing to suppress, all the while claiming to want total freedom of expression.

Of course LGBT people may be Christian, though the practice of homosexuality is clearly prohibited in Christianity.

I understood your sarcasm. I understood what you meant by the sarcasm. I chose to take your meaning seriously by sidestepping the sarcasm.

I agree that "that is o.k. as long as we can communicate."

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

Jeff,
Thank you for your opinions and comments. I feel very blessed that we live in a such wonderful world. I love our diversity, races, cultures, sexual orientations, religion, etc. etc.

I think we are all children of God.

It seems to me that we as human beings have the need to feel we are "in the right side" whatever side that is.

Our world is big and vast and there is room for everybody. You mentioned Fascism, while I don't agree with it, for many people was and is an answer. So is communism and other ideas.

I think nobody would make the choice of being ostracized, hated, persecuted, killed and considered a "sinner" if they could avoid it. However, is there a time in which you have to be honest with yourself.

I think God is bigger than Christianity, Islam, Buddism, Atheism, etc. etc.

I believe that we all are children of God and that he made us they way we are. Hopefully, we all can achieve our full development and happiness.

Jeff, love and peace to you(Sincerely and without sarcasm).

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