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Published: Tuesday, Feb. 21 2012 7:10 p.m. MST

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Gemimi
Bakersfield, CA

Will7370- Don't fret. God created this world, and according to His Word He calls "whoever " He will. Our job is to respond to the invitation, not worry about the particulars.

Jesus said to believe and be baptised. But He did not state (in the Bible) anything about unbaptised souls. Your concern is laudable, but Biblically mute.

What about unsealed persons? Do you believe that there will be crying, separated unsealed/formerly earthly married couples in heaven? Again, you are free to believe whatever you want. Just don't call it Biblical. God created the heavens "and all that are in them.". He knows the beginning to the end. What if you just get rewards for your faithful obedience and any omissions are taken care of by our Great God and Creator?

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

Sharrona: None of what you said has anything to do with Baptism for the Dead. In fact, most of it has to deal with the restoration of the Jews to Jersulem. It also pertains to the fact that the Gentiles will be grafted into the House of Israel. That is being done today as more and more people are converted to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

No matter how you look at it, Baptism for the Dead is Biblical. It is for this cause that Jesus Christ informed the boy Joseph that the creeds were an abomination before him. This is why he stated that the preachers of that day grew close to him with their words but their hearts were far from him. Again all you've stated is that it was taken away by the Catholic Church by the very creeds that Joseph Smith preached against.

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

Will7370: It really won't matter during the millineium. Temple work will be accomplished 24 hours a day. Jesus Christ will reign supreme and Satan will be bound. There will be no contention to stop the work of the Lord going forward. The First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve recognize this just as much as I do. They know that just as I that if we do our OWN family that we will be so much better for it. There is plenty of work to do for our own family. With our own family work completed and any errors that are made by family members will be corrected during the millineium. The vail will be removed and we will be able to converse with our ancestors who will correct or fulfill our own obligation. The rest will be taken care of by those whose family work is basically completed. There is no need to worry. The Lord knows what needs to be done and it will get done. With Satan bound, everyone on earth will become members of the Lord's Church during the millineium, then there will be only one faith and one baptism for all.

Capella
Bakersfield, CA

No KC in Kansas,
1- no proxy baptisms by western European churches "through the 5th century". Epiphanius and the Shephetd of Hermas are not canonical or reliable history. There's plenty of internet references which expose Epiphanius' questionable claims. Apochrypha is a Catholic possession and still highly debatable today.

2- Just because an obscure sect practices a ritual does not mean it was authentic originally. There are heresies and heretics that the apostles and Jesus Christ warned about from Day 1. Bible-only believers, (evangelicals) still hold to sola scriptura. Since it is never discussed or mandated by either Jesus or His disciples and early leaders, it is not Biblical.

3- Neither proxy baptisms or marriage sealings are Biblical. And no sect performed proxy marriages prior to 1830, guaranteed. I respect your religious rights. Let's just be clear when rituals snd doctrines are extra-biblical.

Suspicious Minds
Canada, 00

Blame the LDS members, punish the members...the fact remains that the names anyone submits are clearly not being screened by the Church during that processing of the name prior to the proxy work being performed. This is simply a band aid excuse to remove responsibility and blame where it squarely belongs!

sharrona
layton, UT

@ Bill in Nebraska. None of what you said has anything to do with Baptism for the Dead.

Anne Frank was baptized in a Mormon proxy ritual, at least the third Holocaust victim discovered to have been baptized posthumously this month.(2/22/12).
In 2010, the church agreed after meetings with Jewish leaders to halt the proxy baptisms of Holocaust victims unless the names were submitted by their direct ancestors.
Anne Frank was posthumously baptized at least a dozen times between 1989 and 1999, Radkey told the Huffington Post.

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by WORKS, so that no one can boast. For we are Godâs handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. (Eph 2:8-10)

Jesus tells Lazarus in John 11:34,who is dead a buried, Lazarus Come out ,Lazarus did not say Iâm not doing it. Jesus said specially , Lazarus come out, or all the dead would have come out.

I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion[God chooses, not man]. It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on Gods mercy.( Romans 9:15,16).

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