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Published: Tuesday, Feb. 21 2012 7:10 p.m. MST

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A Scientist
Provo, UT

Now do you understand how big a deal this is?

mightymite
DRAPER, UT

Maybe they should not do it at all. It is offensive to those not only of Jewish origin.

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

This should only be welcomed as good news to those who were asking about it. Comments along the lines of "it's about time" are highly inappropriate as they only serve to be combative towards the church. I suspect those critical of the church will still say something negative here. The Church could praise someone for saving lives and critics would probably still find something negative to say. With that in mind, we shouldn't forget that this is good news and nothing else. There is nothing to dispute here, nothing to criticize, nothing to hate- why? Cause the church is doing something we should all be happy about.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

When i am dead...

...please, leave me alone.

George
Bronx, NY

@ A voice of Reason: Last time this issue was mentioned in this paper, those slamming on the Church and its stance self-identified as Mormon.

Why should non-members work to tear down the LDS Church when its members do such a fine job on their own?

deep in thought
Salt Lake, UT

People who don't like the LDS church will make a mountain out of a mole hill whenever possible.

Just like people who don't like Republicans or Democrats will jump on every little gaffe or out of context statement from the party leaders. To stir up anger.

Sad, really.

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

I'm about as agnostic as they come, but I'm still completely baffled by this.

I was in the hospital with a life threatening disease several years ago. A group of evangelicals prayed around the clock for my recovery. I had no connection whatever to their church but why should I be offended by them putting forth this effort in my behalf?

If you're looking to be offended by the LDS Church, you're going to have to do better than this.

Sorry Charlie!
SLC, UT

@deep in thought
this is not an external issue this is one in which some members of the LDS church are not following church rules causing the church to have to take stronger actions. Stop trying to blame external sources for an internal problem.

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

This whole thing is a silly non issue. It is so sad that some very deserving souls will have to wait.

Bubble
SLC, UT

@cats
whats sad as you want to ignore the leaders of your own church.

Chris225
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@ Cats and anyone else who feels this way...It's not sad that others have different beliefs other than your own.

How would you feel if the jewish community or catholic community did proxy services for Joseph Smith, Oliver Cowdery, Hyrum Smith...any other member who has died for what they believed in? I am pretty sure that you would be offended and thats the whole point.These people who died in the holocaust, died for what they believed in. Its unfair to insult their families by essentially saying their sacrifice wasn't sufficient proof of their conviction in their beliefs.

And if you truly believe what you believe, they will have the opportunity eventually.

Kudos to the church for the way they are handling the situation, they obviously see how big of a deal and disrespectful it is.

hymn to the silent
Holladay, UT

While on my LDS mission, I was given an indian name. I was also splashed with holy water, told I was now a catholic and ordered to go home. I don't hold any grudge against those who believed they were saving me. But my feelings have nothing to do with this issue. If a group asks our Church to be left alone, we should respect it...all of us. And those outside the Church need to recognize that there are rogue members who are overzealous...just like the priest who confronted me. A little understanding on both sides would go a long ways. Sounds like the Mormon Church is trying hard to do what is right by the Jews. Good for them.

Tom in CA
Vallejo, CA

I appreciate the Church's position on this matter. I also appreciate that Church authorities would come out publicly with straight forward discussion and appropriate apology in behalf of member miscreants.

To those who want to make this a wedge issue - my guess is that 99% of you have an agenda other than anything constructive.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

This is how it can be viewed from the outside. When the LDS people perform proxy baptisms, especially for people already baptized in a different faith, it can seem like the first baptism wasn't good enough, didn't measure up. It's not the same as someone of another faith praying for a person to get well etc. It can seem insulting. I bet there are a lot of LDS people who would take offense to that.

Part of being "out in the world" is being subjected to scrutiny and criticism. Romney's candidacy brings it more to the forefront.
Basically, "if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen."

Kitenoa
Salt Lake City, UT

This official action by the LDS Church is a move in the right direction.

MoJules
Florissant, MO

It is shameful that people will abuse the system in order to have bragging rights that they did so and so's name in the temple. For the LDS church to take a very strong and stern stand as to members abusing this in the future and church discipline, that is a pretty strong yet correct stand. It may seem very strict to some members, but if even one person goes to the temple and does a name for someone who is not related to them, it is an abuse of something they have been entrusted with. I do indexing, and we sign an agreement to not take the information that we find and do work, we can't even copy anything, once it has been released to Record Search, we can find those family members and copy the information, but not before that. I do hope that those who are not of the LDS faith will realize that probably 99% of those who take names to do at the temple, are not abusing this.

ClarkHippo
Tooele, UT

@Chris225

You said - "How would you feel if the jewish community or catholic community did proxy services for Joseph Smith, Oliver Cowdery, Hyrum Smith...any other member who has died for what they believed in?"

I say, go ahead.

I have ancestors who were early LDS pioneers, some of whom served time in prison for polygamy and some of whom were targeted for violence because of their faith. I seriously doubt any of them care if in 2012, their names were done in some other church's proxy service.

And if I died tomorrow and you wanted to do proxy work for me, good right ahead. I'm dead, why should I care?

If you think about, it really wouldn't be that much different than what has already done in the names of LDS people already. Over the years, countless books, pamphlets and videos have been produced portraying early LDS Church members including Joseph Smith, Hyrum Smith and Oliver Cowdery as blood thirsty, ruthless, vengeful savages, who robbed, plundered and killed without thought.

People say, "How would LDS people feel if their ancestor's names were belittled or made light of?"

The fact is, we've been hearing it for years and years and years already.

hermounts
Pleasanton, CA

Does anybody besides me wonder why the Church's policy on Jewish proxy baptisms is even necessary? The objection that Jewish people have seems to be based on the misconception that proxy baptisms are some kind of posthumous "forced conversion." Has anyone explained to them that it only gives the departed the option of embracing the restored gospel? I can't believe no one has explained that, and it shouldn't be that hard to understand the distinction.

ClarkHippo
Tooele, UT

As an active Latter-day Saint, I totally understand why the Jewish community feels offended by proxy work done on behalf of Holocaust victims.

The fact of the matter is, Hitler and his minions left a tragic legacy of anger in the hearts and minds of the Jewish community worldwide. Even before the killing of six-million innocent people, the Jews felt Hitler's evil words penetrate them to the very heart, and the fact is, there are still Holocaust survivors today who no doubt still hear his blood thirsty voice in their nightmares.

I for one am a strong believer in temple work for the dead, but at the same time, I'm also a strong supporter in any action my church takes in showing understanding and respectful to other people.

To my Jewish friends and neighbors who have been offended I express my apologizes. To anyone else who feels offended at LDS temple work, my hope is that perhaps one day you will have a desire to seek out you're ancestors. Not necessarily for any religious reasons, but for reasons of learning more about the people who share your DNA and who worked and struggled to allow you to be the person you are today.

A Scientist
Provo, UT

All I can say is, It's about time!

And... we have heard this before. Since 1995 or so, it has been empty promises.

Here's hoping this time it will stick.

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