Published: Tuesday, Feb. 21 2012 12:00 a.m. MST
Whats wrong with having healthy debates among the Republican Presidential
candidates?I wonder how many Demos. WISH they had a choice among
their Presidential candidates?Mainstream media is desperate to
continue the Presidency of Barack Obama. In the next few months you'll see many
more articles attempting to show that NO ONE should bother challenging Pres.
Obama.Without the total cooperation of the mainstream media, Pres.
Obama's re-election wouldn't stand much of a chance.
I've mentioned this before, but I'll mention it again, because the media just
seems to ignore it completely. If you watch the news, you'll be told this is a
two-man race between Romney and Santorum. Their delegate counts show Mitt
Romney ahead with Santorum trailing, then Gingrich and Paul far behind. The
fact is, their delegate counts thus far are just estimates, and not very good
ones, as they completely ignore how delegates are allocated in the caucus
states. In these states, a certain number of delegates is awarded by those
voting at the state convention, not by percentage of popular vote. Who votes at
the state convention? Those who won in their local precincts. This has been an
ignored strength of the Ron Paul campaign, getting people to run as delegates.
By the Paul campaign's estimates, they are positioned to win 50% to 75% of the
delegates in Maine, Iowa, Colorado, and Minnesota. That would leave the current
delegate count looking like this:Romney-93Paul-82Gingrich-29Santorum-25Still unpledged-14 (delegates won by
Huntsman and unbound party leaders)It's the story no one is talking
about, and if it holds, things get interesting.
Don't drag the Democrats into this sad state of affairs. In my lifetime, I've
never seen anything so pathetic in the chase for the nomination.
I really wouldn't bet against an unfinished process by the time Tampa roles
around. There are at least three different and plausible scenarios that would
make this possible. I also think that if you pay attention it's easy to see
that this is an internal battle that has been coming for some time and with
faction leaders like Rommney, Paul, and Santorum the battle is stark and
fierce.I would bet that this battle is the very reason Bush,
Daniels, and Christy, are staying out. They don't want to be the sacrarficial
lamb for either faction.
** Poll: Less than half of GOP primary voters satisfied with 2012 field' - By
Mark Murray - NBC News - 06/15/11 ** GOP race narrows, but there's
still no front runner' - By Steven Thomma, McClatchy Newspapers - Published by
DSNews - 08/14/11 ** Iowa vote dosent resolve GOP search for
identity by Charles Babington AP Published by the DSNews 01/04/12 ** GOP insiders reaching for panic button in the face of Santorum surge and
rise of social issues - By Eric Schulzke Deseret News 02/20/12
Will the Republican party be able to reverse it's fortunes? Who
knows? Maybe the Republican party will be able to focus on a
side-issue like birth control and reverse it's fortunes in the next x5
months.... ...and ignore, the last six months.
The only reason Santorum is still "surging" in the polls is money.
And where does that money end up? the media of course. This whole GOP
"reality" show is manufactured to pump more money into the media. So
the candidates have to follow the script that is put in front of them. Perry,
Cain, Bachmann, etc were the first candidates "voted off the island"
and then they realized the "show" was ending too soon, so they stunt
casted Gingrich to boost the ratings in December. Any television producer could
script this GOP X Factor. The next thing we will see after Santorum fades in
the polls is another "surprise" candidate. I predict Jeb
"Babyface" Bush. We'll see what the writers come up with.
Face it -- It's an "Anybody BUT Mitt" run for the GOP nomination.Mitt Romney is campaigning against Mitt Romney, despite the
Love-feast he enjoys in Republican Utah [which is claerly a manifestation
of; I'm voting for Mitt, because he's a Mormon - but will adamitaely deny any
sort of Utah religous bias, while crying victimization of religious bias by
everyone else using it against him....hypocrasy.]
Living here, oh I'm sure these RNC Republicans will have a real whiz-bang
convention when they get to Tampa in August, then they'll wake up to smell the
coffee, after us tac payers here had to pay them $500 million alone for
security, to protect them from OWS. The RNC don't like "Snow White and the
seven dwarfs", none of them, they are not crazy enough for them, so now
they'll have to "pull a new rabbit" out of their bag of tricks, and
find someone else to cheer on. Mark my word's here, that'll happen. Oh and
don't forget, it's us here in Florida that picks the winner. Not Mitt, because
he's a Mormon and DNews loves him, and not Utah. A elephant never forgets,
we'll remember 2008 and be crying victimization from the GOP to and ObamaNation
In reply to 1conservative, who asked "I wonder how many Demos. WISH they
had a choice among their Presidential candidates?"There are
many things I dislike about Barack Obama's presidency. I think he has failed in
his moral leadership - particularly in regards to his vigorous prosecution of
whistleblowers, his dropping of the pursuit of justice for those who authorized
torture, and his continuing use of the absurd state secrets privilege. These
actions are very bad for our long-term future as a democracy.However, there is certainly no one on the Republican side who is even worthy
of consideration. With their proposed draconian austerity measures they would
drive the economy into a major depression, instead of the tepid recovery we are
currently enjoying(?). Their fundamentalist desires to control women and
women's sexuality, their vehement opposition to civil rights for gays, their
embrace of religion generally, to the exclusion of those who are unbelievers,
all would drive the U.S. backwards, making it far less of a democracy than it is
becoming.I shiver when I consider the possibility of any of the
Republican candidates taking office.
We're not receiving much truthful news on unemployment. The fact is there are
millions fewer people working. The universe of jobs is being manipulated
downward causing a lower level of unemployment percentage. What a crock. This
president is going to go down bigtime. The election in November will boil down
to turnout, and the level of bogus dead, etc. votes being counted on the
democrat side of the count.This republican nomination process is
just great, giving the presidents minions less time to attack the truth.
And in the meantime, think of all the entertainment we are being provided.Just like watching endless re-runs of the Three Stooges.
@David KingRon Paul cannot win the nomination without winning a single
state no matter how cute he gets with snagging unpledged delegates. The most you
can hope for is that Santorum, Gingrich, and Paul combine for more than 50% of
At this point Obama's a shoe-in. The economy is improving, the automotive
industry is back, Obama handles international tensions masterfully--just the
right amount of firmness and restraint. No more Bin Laden, no more Khadafy at a
very low cost. The Republican anti-reality show will continue to be highly
entertaining, however. Looking forward to a fun summer!
@atl134I didn't say Ron Paul would get the nomination. I said he
was picking up a lot of delegates and is second to Romney, not Gingrich or
Santorum. I still think he could pick up a couple of states. His numbers are
good in Washington, for example. Do I think he will be the Republican nominee?
As much as I don't like to admit it, no. I do feel his influence will continue
to grow and that he will have an important voice in shaping the future of the
party. I think those are very good things.
"This election will be determined by the cost of gasoline and food"And the right will try to spin the rise in gasoline cost as the fault of
the Dems.In reality, the primary cause is tensions in Iran and the
threatened block of Hormuz.But, reality and honesty are not often
used in politics.
Really Anonoymous " This president is going to go down bigtime. The
election in November will boil down to turnout, and the level of bogus dead,
etc. votes being counted on the democrat side of the count." Wow this is
the most far fetched thing I seen on these threads in some time..and there are
some doosys. Have you per chance noticed the turn out numbers in
the Republican primaries? Way, way down from '08. And, the whole voter fraud
canard. Every time a state gets worked up about it they discover that there are
less than a dozen suspected cases and fewer than a dozen that can be prosecuted.
Try and win an election a national election with those numbers. Pure myth.
Do not count your "chickens before they hatch. - VST He's
right. Please vote.
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