Get off the "we believe in being honest, obeying the law" as a
justification for being mad at illegals. If this argument was the only
argument, then our founding fathers would have made horrible Mormons. Rosa
Parks would never make a good Mormon. MLK would never make a good Mormon.
Early saints fleeing unjust laws would never make good Mormons. Don't get me wrong we need to create a workable legal solution. Romney
represents the best option as someone who will once elected create a workable
solution for individuals to go home and come back on temporary work visas.The individuals in the article need to understand that Obama has been no
friend to immigrants with his record deportations with no avenue to return.
Clinton passed the 10 year bar rule which keeps people from going home because
then the line would be 10 years to return. This hurts both work and family
visas.Bush and Reagan are the only recent Presidents to be friends
to immigrants. Romney will continue this legacy.
If Mormons believe in honoring and sustaining the law and are in a country
illegally. Shouldn't they make an effort to become legal or accept consequences
of decisions that they make. It doesn't matter who you are if you are doing
something illegal, you have to suffer the consequence of that choice. If either
a Mormon, Catholic or other major religious leader stole money, touched a child
inappropriately, or even something small like going 15 over the speed limit they
have to pay the consequence. What makes them any better than any one else. They
should have to pay the penalty of such an act.
I think that this is really sad that any group of LDS people would go against a
person like this.If your going to reject him then you could at least be
honest in your rejection of him.He is NOT against immigration but is
against illegal aliens taking over our country and living on the taxpayers
If Latino Mormons don't like Mitt because he would enforce the law of the land
then they would have the same issue with Joseph Smith who wrote the article of
faith "We believe in honoring, OBEYING, and sustaining the LAW of the
land". Same ole same ole stuff from illegal's who want a free pass around
the law. How about this idea - "BE HONEST" ?? If you are here
illegally then you aren't honest and I would bet you could find plenty of
references in the Book of Mormon about being honest.
Mr. Obama won Salt Lake county in 2008.
2 Nephi 1: 6 Do we believe the scriptures or not?
After living in 4 Latin American countries, visiting in five others, and living
in the states of Texas, Arizona and California, I know that the people in Latin
America have a great desire to come to the United States of America, for a
variety of reasons. One of the reasons is that their countries are missing the
rule of law as we have in our country. Some have similar types of government on
the books but the practicality of those rules and laws that should govern are
not really applied. We have a balance of power that no other country quite has.
We have a long term belief and practicality of the Declaration of Independence
and the U.S. Constitution. We have people who for 200 years basically honor,
sustain and obey the laws. There is a system to deal with all those parts.
When people come here, either legally or illegally have a responsibility to go
by the laws of the land, both U.S. and State laws. That is how our system
works. You get the benefits when you honor, obey and sustain the laws of the
United States of America. As in the Latin American countries where people don't
obey the laws, the people are dealt with, one way or another. Unfortunately,
many don't deal with the governmental published system of laws and some people
are corrupt. That is why people want to come to the USA to have a better life
and live in a place that has rules and order. You can basically close your eyes
at night and go to sleep relaxing here. That is not necessarily true in other
places. Living in the USA is a privilege and honor for those that come legally,
through the system. Others take a chance that the violation of immigration laws
will eventually fall on them. That makes it so they can't sleep at night due to
the fear of being found violating a non-immigration rule or law. The United
States is a Great Place to live by the law and to get to that position, people
are subject to the law, which has consequences to the violation of the law.
This is not about honoring and obeying the law, and if it were, everyone would
be a hypocrite. How many of us always obey traffic laws? It is about not
wanting to support someone who does not have your best interests at heart. The
fact that Romney wants to make it as hard as possible for them is why they are
"Do they really believe that the LDS church is in favor of law-breaking and
that God is inspiring people to illegally enter the country?"Does being an illegal immigrant stop someone from getting a temple recommend?
To claim that the Book of Mormon provides a basis for immigration is a
convenient, liberal interpretation, as we don't even know which land was meant.
The United States of America didn't exist at the time, so it is more likely to
assume that it referres to the entire American continents. And last time I
checked most of these illegal immigrants already come from America. So
more appropriately would be to adhere to the LDS's articles of faith which
states " We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and
magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law." Entering and
staying in a country illegially is by definition against the law!I
understand that this is a difficult issue that needs to be handled with care as
it deals with the lives of human beings. Which is exactly what the LDS church
leaders are saying, however they are also saying that people still need to abide
by the law - there is no wiggeling out of that one.
Is it just me, or is there a huge gap between the beliefs of mainstream LDS (we
believe in being honest, obeying the law) and the Spanish speaking illegal
immigrant members?Do they really believe that the LDS church is in
favor of law-breaking and that God is inspiring people to illegally enter the
country?It almost seems like there are two completely versions of
the same church. I wonder which one will win out?
Tami,"What a tremendous opportunity we have as members of the
church to have a Mormon president"Take a good hard look at how
you're choosing your president. Are you doing so by logic and reasoning or
because he shares your faith? Take a good hard look at why you vote ... is it
to fulfill YOUR desire to have a Mormon president or are you voting based on
what's best for ALL Americans?Also ... if Latino's leave the church
you're going to lose A LOT of members. They will be free though so that's
fantastic for their lives if they choose to do so.
Wow, I would have to say that if the Latino members of the church are trying to
start a civil war, they are doing a great job of it! What a tremendous
opportunity we have as members of the church to have a Mormon president and they
are protesting because he is trying to uphold the laws of the land? Isn't that
one of the articles of faith? Perhaps these Latino members had better take a
good hard look at why they joined the church.
shuttdlrlSmith River, CADemocrats still practice slavery. Beware!Wow you're really stretching that one. And Latino's should
speak out against Romney ... everyone should speak out against him. And LDS
rules about obeying the rule of the land hold NO water considering the churches
history of breaking the law itself, especially in the early days. The prophets
themselves broke their own (or God's if you will) rules by running distilleries,
Democrats still practice slavery. Beware! Latinos are in danger, remember what
they did to Ellian Gonzalez. He was sent back to a country that practices
slavery. They are doing the same to the American people through labor, taxation,
a depressed economy, etc. The democrats started taxing our wages in the last
depression. It was supposed to only tax the rich. Now everyone pays income
tax. We were only to be taxed to defend our country in a declared war. Again
they want to tax the rich so they can increase their wages, benefits, etc. all
at the expense of the hard working taxpayer. Do not be deceived. Romney will
save America from these despots.shuttdlrl
The Book of Mormon also says the knowledge of this land needed to be kept from
other nations lest the land be over run and there would not be place for an
inheritance. I think we can see for ourselves the effects of other
nations knowing about this land.Please, if you are going to quote
scripture, first understand the doctrine as a whole and then do it in context.
Has the LDS church taken a stance lately on illegal immigration? I haven't seen
it if they have. The church has neither spoke out for or against illegal
immigration directly.I served an LDS mission in the US. I was
Spanish speaking. As far as I know, if you were a law breaker you couldn't get
baptized...except if the law you broke was immigration. I never interviewed
people for baptism. I don't think I baptized anyone who wasn't illegal. I'm not
saying it was right or wrong, I'm just reporting the facts. As a
church, if were baptizing illegal immigrants and don't have any problem with it,
why do we have a problem at all?
Living in Southern California I saw ATM machines at liquor stores that not only
had Spanish as the first choice and English second, but had the ability to
transfer money internationally. From what I understand, a huge part of Mexicos
economy is money sent there from the U.S. That is wealth leaving our country.
Not kept in our economy. No doubt that many illegals are hard working people
that could be contributing to their own country. I'll bet that Mexico would not
let them come here so easily if they were not getting a lot of money sent back
home after the illegals earn it in the U.S. And many American banks are making
this wealth transfer easy by the aforementioned ATM machines. Lots of things
need to be addressed on the illegal issue. I wonder if any politician has the
guts to do it, even if they will be called racist, which they most surely will.
Twin Towers High Jackers came in legally.
While I agree with many of the sentiments shared in this article regarding
immigration, especially, I don't see this as the most important issue defining
this election, so Mitt's still my favorite candidate. Further what conservative
candidate has a more flexible stance on immigration? Asking
Democrats if you like Mitt Romney is really stupid...
Romney's family were "sent" with other families to Mexico, where they
were welcomed by the Mexican Government because of their ability to take harsh
and sub-par areas and through hard work, to turn them into areas that could
sustain life. They were highly respected for their work ethic and ingenuity, but
they were also looked down upon by neighboring Latino citizens because these
locals felt these Mormons must have had unfair advantages from the government to
have done so well in the colonies. During the Mexican Revolution of
1912, Romney's family and most all other Americans from the Northern Mexican
Colonies fled Mexico back into America because they were neutral in the
skirmishes and the USA didn't want US citizens getting the USA mixed up in the
fight. This is different from illegal immigrants.
Packard's "mission" seems misguided. By focusing on defeating
Mormons who don't share her immigration views, she may be unintentionally
undermining candidates who have a lot more in common with her than do other
politicians. Instead, why doesn't she focus on politicians in GENERAL who
don't share her immigration views? Her current focus sounds like a bitter,
Other news sources are reporting they have been traveling around holding
There is no "basic Mormon teaching" about protecting immigrants.
There IS one about obeying the law, including immigration laws.
Ms Packard should understand that there is no such thing aa a basic Mormon
principle of protecting immigrants.
NeilTYou post the same thing in many articles. A person here illegally can
get help with WIC, baby your baby and Chips. A family with one birthright child
qualifies all children for food stamps, cash payments, and medicaid. Americans work at those jobs. What you are saying is an insult to those who
do. I suggest the pro-illegal folks stop using this argument. As a matter of
fact, Swift meat went bankrupt using illegal labor. A company from Brazil bought
them and hired American workers. They had record profits after doing so. If illegals worked harder, their countries would be leading the US in
productivity, not the other way around. The story about Colorado was
a propaganda piece. Those hired mostly stayed, a few did leave, that's who they
focused on. He had so many apply (over 600) that he turned people away. I would
suggest you look up an article written by the Deseret news Aug 4 1998 about how
Americans working in agriculture were kept in perpetual poverty by illegal
aliens and the surplus of labor. It's a hard hitting piece that shows the result
of illegal immigration, and why so few Americans can't afford to word in the
fields anymore. It gives a good view of what will happen in other job categories
if it continues.I have heard some pretty lame excuses for breaking
immigration laws. This one is new, although yesterday someone commented in
another article that the land was given to them by God and they were reclaiming
The truth is illegal immigrants are not eligble for government benfits like
food stamps, welfare, etc. The truth is most illegals are working at semi or
unskilled labor, fast food, even meat packing plants. How is that taking jobs
from Americans? Most Americans despise these jobs. Most illegals can do work
just as hard if not harder than many Ameicans. A farmer in Colorado tried to
hire locals instead in bringing in immigrant labor. Big mistake, he couldn't
find enough workers who were willing or able to do the job. To the poster who
said children are a burden. That is the same arguement the left uses to justify
abortion. I stand by my comments.
Ok. For all those who claim illegals are 'breaking the law'.
Fine. Pay an illegal immigrant, minimum wage. We've had
illegal immigrants in the past. They were called...
It appears a vast majority disagree with this view point. law abiding citizens
see through this premise regardless of who speaks in favor of the criminal
I believe the quote has been misinterpreted. As God wants us to obey His law,
He also wants us to obey the rightful and just laws of the land. An immigrant
coming to this country under the auspices of the law is welcomed with open arms.
However, one who comes here, as anywhere else on the planet, and chooses to
live undocumented, under the radar does so at their own peril. And if they find
themselves in trouble with employment, the law, and ever the social services of
the state, it is a consequence of their decision to sneak across the border.I feel for illegal immigrants because I know they come here with the hopes of
making a better life, but the law is the law and must be obeyed.Romney
only reiterates the present laws on the books--nothing more. Those who decide
to use this stance as a litmus test for defeating Romney will be ill served
since there are much, much bigger issues than immigration to contend with.
Miss Piggie,Please provide a cite for the LA Times article you're
getting your information from. I'm pretty sure you'll find these
"statistics" are cooked up in some internet urban legend. This is
typical of the propaganda that stirs up hatred against illegals and makes
everyone an authority on the subject. When I google LA Times and illegal
immigrant crime statistics, I find a piece that states that crime in Arizona
actually dropped after a huge influx of illegals during the 90s. Easy
explanation -- most likely want to keep their nose clean and fly under the
radar. Illegal immigrants come in all varieties just like the rest
of us, good, not-so-good, bad, etc. If anything, I see a predominance of
ambitious, hard-working humble people.
as the 12th article of faith states to honor and obey the laws of the land.My wife's grandfather immigrated here from Italy. 1. he had a sponsor 2.had
to record exactly where he was moving to in Nevada and work hard to become a US
citizen. and from that time he worked hard on learning English and would not
speak Italian because "he was American". (I don't agree not ever
speaking his native language or sharing some of his traditions from his home
land, thats part of what make the USA great, but the point is he learned
english) No one is perfect! and I have to work on myself daily to live
the precept of the LDS Church. I do make minor traffic violations occationaly
though being here illegaly is not a minor infraction, then they vote? How? it
only compounds the lies and infractions.
RBB makes a great point. Provide a path and cooling off period for people to go
home, but most importantly create a path for them to return. We
must know who these people are if we are to have a safe society. The harshest immigration laws against the illegals came recently under
Democratic presidents. Bush tried to create a path. Reagan created a path.
Mitt will create a path. He understands that we need to know who the people are
and how we need an economic base of inexpensive labor and new businesses that
new immigrants provide. Let's take out the obey the law of the land
argument. I guess the founding fathers could never have gotten temple
recommends. Poor Patrick Henry would have never been accepted as a good Mormon.
First, let's clarify somehting about the "immgration" comments
regarding the Book of Mormon. There were no legal boudaries established by
governments at the time of the Book of Mormon. This book details movements of
groups of people, not immigration across boarders. While I am not a member of
this faith, I will now vote for Romney based soley on comments of the Latino
group. There are legal ways to immigrate and those we support as citizens. If
these need to be updated and revised, then we do this through the law and not
around it. I thought that it was very strange when a year ago, 2 LDS leaders of
branches were caught as illegal. Did this church not first check this out before
putting these people in a bad situtation? If you enter this country illegally,
then you have broken the law and everything you do from that point forward is
breaking the law. Do it right the first time and don't put children in these
Bro Garcia is taking a mighty narrow view of what the BOM immigration might mean
in my opinion. I truly doubt that the immigration mentioned related to the
"promised land" could be so narrowly defined as these United States.
Pretty sure that Mexico, Canada, and the entirity of South America were
considered to be "promised land" from a BOM standpoint. So the illegal
immigrants in the US aren't what I would believe immigrating to the promised
land, they were already there. The are just violating the law of the land and
therefore, the expectation of the church to be observant of that law, regardless
of whether they agree with it or not.
though the concern about immigration is an important one, we cannot let it place
a bridle with blinders over our eyes, blocking out the real risk of losing our
rights as a free people -- by allowing the election of a Democratic president
who seems to have a socialistic agenda, aimed at using the Latinos and other
ethnic groups to get elected to power (with promises), but in all the years we
have been electing them, they have not helped us get out of poverty into
main-stream American life. Why? Because they must not want us to
succeed, but want to keep us dependent and weak, by giving us welfare money, so
we will vote for them; taking away our ambition to lift ourselves from the dust
and be able to hold our heads high, with the self-respect that only those who
are proud enough to stand on their own two feet amd make their own way through
this life can know.Latinos, don't let immigration be the only thing
you see in this election. Many know how it feels to have to hide as an illegal,
and would rather be legal. If Romney's plan is chosen, he said he wouln't try to
round up the illegals, but make it so people can only work if they're here
legally. That way, those who need to leave, can do so and return home to apply
for citizenship the right way. I know Latinos would rather be here the right
way! We have to have respect for the rules of law. There are
terrorists and Muslim extremists in South American countries right now, making
their way into this country, to destroy it (and any Latinos that live here). This nation has to defend itself from these people, and to do so, all
foreigners must be processed by law. Otherwise, this nation can be destroyed
from within, by illegal terrorists. Give Romney a break, give him a
chance. He's trying to do it the right and lawful way, the Constitutional way,
with compassion. Romney is not against illegals, he is for the U.S. Constitution
and upholding its laws, which the Lord said he "suffered to be established,
and should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh...and for
this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land..." (D&C
101:77&80)Latinos, don't vote against a man for trying to do the
right by the Constitution. We also, want honesty in the White House, not someone
willing to bend the Constitutional laws to get elected. Think about it....really
think about it. Is that what you want? It's your future that is at risk of
WOW! This is a story about a woman (and others like her) who want Mitt Romney to
break the law. Her thinking is WAY off! Unbelievable.
Apparently their desire to scam free stuff off the Gringos trumps everything.
Baccus0902:"Close the borders, legalize those who have been
living here and have had no friction with the law. Legalize the DREAM act for
those children who were brought here as infants with no option."Legalizing illegals who are here would be a mistake. We did that under Reagan
which only encouraged more to come for the same treatment. That's why we are in
such a pickle today with millions of illegals here sucking up free education,
healthcare, etc., and taking millions of jobs that unemployed Americans need."Do the right thing, do the Christian thing and you may find that
Latino Mormons will be more willing to listen to Romney."Sure,
if illegal Latinos get amnesty they would be happy to listen to Romney... to
anybody."President Obama has deported more illegal aliens than
any other President before him. However the Latino community still supports
him. Why?"Why? Because he keeps deportations under his hat,
not announcing very loudly what he's up to. And he has never announced that he
is against illegal immigration. Certainly Obama is illegals' best hope among
all candidates for presidency at this point.
Ok so how does supporting Illegal Immigration or letting them get jobs, drivers
licenses and all that other stuff they have no legal rights to have in America,
fit in with our Mormon philosophy of "CTR" Choose The Right. Or did
Mormons stop teaching their kids that?Just curious on how you can be
a Mormon and support breaking the law.
I highly doubt that the Church "hires" people or calls people for the
sole purpose of transporting illegal missionaries from state to state. The
Church does everything on the up and up. Especially in regards to missionaries.
Missionaries are to respect the laws of the lands they are serving in. If a
missionary doesn't get a visa by a certain time, they bide their time by serving
in places that they are able to until the proper documentation arrives.There are a lot of red flags in this article. It was written by an AP
reporter and this article is in national papers today. I think the press is
just trying to dig up whatever they can about Romney. It's pretty desperate if
you ask me.They are also going after Santorum and making him sound
self-righteous. I support Romney, but the press is also being unfair to
Santorum. And we know that most of the press is in the back pocket of the
Democrats. Media Matters and all of that.
White Horse prophecy --- And the Red Horse is rising!Power-On my Brothers and Sisters!
Baccus0902, my family were dirt poor, they came from Mexico here legally. Most
who do come here are poor coming to be with family. If anything the move to
unite families has made it more difficult for others. But it's still possible to
do. Our biggest problem right now is people not willing to wait. The dream act is amnesty for adults who never made themselves legal at
18, even legal Latino's are against amnesty. As far as compassion, those who
come illegally are the most un-compassionate of us all (equal to compassion-less
businessmen). I support a cooling off period (60 days) where people
could go home and not face a 10 year penalty. Their employer must pay them
$1,500 relocation fee to help them return home. At which time they
would be able to apply to come back legally at the back of the line. And to make
sure our government didn't cook the books and let them in early, we would have a
citizens committee overlook it, with new members each year.
We have given out over a million green cards each year, more than any other
Industrialized country. That's probably to many, considering our record
unemployment. There is no reason for anyone to complain. Latino's
receive over 38% of all legal green cards, yet are only 8% of the worlds
population. It seems the more we bend over backwards to please, the more that is
demanded. Part of my family came here legally from Mexico (Latino),
if they can do it, so can you.
Re:ouiscActually, it was the U.S. strengthened emigration (as opposed to
immigration) laws In 2004.The Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative
(WHTI) is part of the US government's plan to strengthen border security. The
WHTI affects travel to Canada in that it will require all travelers to and from
Canada, Mexico, Central and South America, the Caribbean and Bermuda to present
a passport to enter or re-enter the United States. Therefore, American visitors
to these countries may be refused entry if they do not present a passport,
Merchant Mariner Document (MMD), or NEXUS Card .Prior to the U.S.
Policy change, Canada allowed me entry using just photo ID--my driver's
licenseSeveral European countries have higher percentages of foreign
born residents than the U.S.
What a bunch of garbage these illegals are spreading! It is a disgrace for the
church to be offering sanctuary to these criminals who are stealing the
healthcare and education of our children.
Just when I think the provincial LDS cannot go any lower. Surprise, surprise,
always is able to go one step lower.Legality and Justice are two
different things. Christ was a revolutionary who fought for justice and dignity
for all human beings.Many American Christians like to measure
freedom, democracy, legality and their faith based on the security of their
lives and bank account. A sorry Bunch they are.I would be happy to
support and scream as you do for legal immigration, if this legal immigration
gave an opportunity to all those who look to immigrate based on merits and not
in the money they own in their country.The rich Latin immigrant has
not problem. I have no problem. But, thousands and thousands were brought here
because of the wars and political chaos created by the U.S. Government. More
accutely during the Reagan's administration and Iran Contra.Close
the borders, legalize those who have been living here and have had no friction
with the law. Legalize the DREAM act for those children who were brought here as
infants with no option.Do the right thing, do the Christian thing
and you may find that Latino Mormons will be more willing to listen to
Romney.President Obama has deported more illegal aliens than any
other President before him. However the Latino community still supports him.
WHy? he is following the law and at the same time he is trying to do something
for those who work hard, pay taxes and live according to the law of the land.Read history, study with an objective yet critical eye, you will learn
something. It wouldn't hurt if you try to walk in someone else's shoes.
Compassion wouldn't hurt you either.If in your mind, being illegal
is enough to be wrong then, you deserve pity. Slavery was legal. I'm sure you
would have opposed all those slaves who ecaped through the underground railroad.
@Cougar BlueYour position sounds like "Oh, come on, everybody
does it." No they don't.While I might inadvertently violate a
traffic ordinance from time to time, I understand that there are consequences.
I might receive a ticket and fine, or have an accident and face possible injury,
fine, and increased insurance rates. I accept that. It's called "personal
accountability." What I don't do is commit an act that leaves
me in violation of the law 24/7/365, and then build a false identity, homestead,
employment and more, based on this illegal act, and then go to church and with
false piety claim a righteous basis for my lawlessness. A person here illegally
is in violation every moment they remain here. It is a life hiding in the
shadows.Are those here illegally willing to do as I do, and accept
the consequences of their behavior? Where is their personal accountability?
Can they look their Bishop in the eye and declare that they are honest in their
dealings with their fellow man?
Cats:"First, Romney is NOT opposed to immigrants. He is opposed
to ILLEGAL immigrants."Hispanics make no distinction between
illegal and legal immigrants. Hispanics contend that, if you are opposed to
illegal immigration you are opposed to immigration. This, since most immigrants
these days (legal or illegal) are Hispanic.
NeilT:"How does punishing innocent children for the actions of
their parents accomplish anything."Who's punishing children?
If their illegal parents are deported they can and should take their families
with them."As long as the far right views immigrants as a
burden on society the divide will continue."If the brunt of the
burden effected you, I think your position would be different. The burden on
society is that immigrants are taking jobs that Americans should be taking.
They are also costing billions in free education and healthcare. We can't
afford it. Plus, we currently have over 15 million unemployed Americans drawing
unemployment, who need jobs. Jobs that illegals are taking."Harsh laws are not the solution."Harsh laws and strict
enforcement of those laws is the only solution. Getting tough is the only way
to stem the tide of illegals. Going easy only encourages more to come
illlegally. Those who wish to immigrate should get in line and wait their
turn."Stop demonizing people for being poor and wanting to come
to a country that offers a better life."The world is full of
poor wishing a better life. We can't take the entire world in.
The U.S. has some of the most liberal immigration laws in the world. We offer
several visas--work visas, temporary visas, migrant worker visas. Hundreds of
Latinos come into California every day with a migrant worker visa, and most of
them have work lined up before they cross the border. Temporary visas are
available for those wanting an education in the U.S. Work visas are available
for those seeking professional employment in the U.S. The work visas can be a
bit expensive ($4000), but they do lead to nationalization, if desired, so much
more is at stake.Those who think it is difficult to get a visa or to
hire a legal immigrant do not have a good understanding of immigration on a
world scale.Americans who try to cross into Mexico or Canada,
legally, for reasons other than "visit" get the third degree, and are
often refused entry.
Go to LDS.org and look at the bishops handbook. 21.1.16 You will
find that they have always told people to come legally, but encourage them to
stay in their own country. I'm disgusted by the many attempts to blame others
for a persons illegal immigration. It seems everyone is to blame
except those who did the actual deed.
Latino Latter-day Saints hate Romney because he upholds the Twelth Article of
Faith and are determined to bring him down for it? I think they've just made me
a Romney supporter. If God whanted them to pour over the borders with His
blessings, I'm pretty sure He would have directed the prophet to ammend the
Twelth Article of Faith. That having not been done, they have no claim to speak
for God in this matter and make themselves hypocrites to the Faith.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, while compassionate, has as one
of its fundamental tenets to honor and obey the law of the land. Mitt Romney is
not against immigration. He is not against "Hispanics." But he, like
all law-abiding citizens, is against illegal immigration. I find it
sad that this lady from Saratoga Springs who is interviewed in the article,
wants to fight against Romney's campaign over this single issue and fact that
illegal immigration is illegal. If she really feels this way, then she also
does not support the mayor of her city, Mia Love, who is the daughter of legal
immigrants from Haiti. Love is against illegal immigration as well.I
find it sad that there are possibly a lot of illegal immigrants who are LDS.
That is wrong of them and they need to go back to their home countries and be
honest to their fellow men.I doubt that they were here because of
God. I think they are here because of jobs. And I'm afraid that they are going
to start their own church called, Somos Mormons. Another fringe group.
Just one more question:Latino Mormons are trying to convince other
Latino's not to vote for Mitt?Those who are here legally have nothing to
fear. Are these illegal aliens voting?If they are then deport them
It's very irksome to see all the anti-immigration talk here. It shows that many
Mormons together with many other Americans are "bubble" people.
They're happy to get their illegal nannies, their cheaper produce, their cheaper
housing. In their bubble they preserve their supposed superiority by referring
to "legality" while the congress they elect cannot bring themselves to
sort out a real and workable path to legality in the United States for the
people of the world, even for the children who were brought here as babies and
who could not survive in their country of origin because they do not really know
the language, customs, mores, etc. Yet the "bubble" Americans in their
pride think they are just in bringing down the sins of the parents on these
children who have grown up in our educational system and culture. Then there are
all the rest, and the congress and presidents you elect are stalemated in doing
something about this mess. Ideologues reign and reason cannot prevail because
they are not "legal." Pride will be yet the downfall of this nation.
True, the Book of Mormon does say that all those who come here are brought by
the hand of the Lord. It goes on to say that "the knowledge of this land
has been kept from the knowledge of the world for many nations would over run
the land." (paraphrased)This land (North and South America)
are now universally know to the world. The statement was accurate when it was
written. This is no longer the case.Also the land referred to is
North and South America, not just the USA. The Latino's who come to the USA
were already in the promised land.The interpretation of the
scripture presented by the Latino's in this article is completely invalid.The people of Amon refused to enter Nephite territory without
permission. The Nephites gave them the land of Jershon as an inheritance. The
Nephites gave them the means of providing for themselves, not welfare. Too many
illegal aliens are on public assistance.I fail to understand why the
Church would make an illegal alien a leader of a congregation. It just feels
wrong and makes for very bad press when it is revealed.
God said obey the law! Illegal immigration is against the law. Those who
advocate for illegals deny Christian teachings.
You all need to wake up if you are saying "Come to America Legally, or the
right way."There is no line to get in, there is no justice in
our current immigration policy. My wife and children were the victims of abuse
in their native country, and the laws would not protect them. They applied to
immigrate numerous times, and paid what to them was a fortune to the United
States. They were turned down each time. Not because there was a good reason,
not because some quota was reached, because she didn't have enough money or
property. Her abusive ex-husband and his brother have visas all the time, they
are allowed into the US when ever they want. These are bad men, and a wonderful
woman and her children are not allowed.... So don't tell me "follow the
laws" the laws are messed up, and that is what needs to change! On top of that, the United States Gov has handed out Visas, Tax numbers, and
free passes for so long, and you blame the immigrants for biting the fish line?
Common, hold the government to blame first, then the rest will work itself out!
This is just one of many extreme positions Romney has taken to cater to the
"know nothing" wing of the party. This "bottom feeding"
should be offensive to all members of the Church and hopefully will keep him
from being taken seriously by the rest of the country, should he manage to be
nominated this year.
From the Romney Website: "Mitt Romney will protect legal immigration and
the 4.5 million who are waiting in line to enter the United States legally by
taking a strong stand against illegal immigration. He believes that illegal
immigration must end and has a proven track record of advancing that
goal."I see that his stance aligns with what most American
Citizens would agree is reasonable. Fix immigration, stop illegal immigration.
How much does it cost to become a legal immigrant, and/or citizen? What is
required? What are the fees for the applications, document fees,
vaccination/physical fees? Do people need legal representation? How long does
the process take? Months? Years? I've yet to see a comprehensive article about
the process of immigration. We do need a system for temporary
agricultural workers, unless we want to import all our food. Employers complain
the current system doesn't work. We need comprehensive reform, but
given the broken state of our govt, nothing is going to change. We need to
elect people who are willing to work across the aisle, not idealogues who see
compromise as immoral.
The President is not elected to represent eagle forum conservatives?
Romney supports immigration, only if it is legally done.I support
Romney and I am an immigrant myself, and I did it totally legally.Go
This article is an excellent example of what can go wrong with religeon--you can
pervert religeous messages to support your own political viewpoint. But this is
so en vogue right now, especially in the Middle East, so it may as well happen
here.The anti-Romney Latinos are missing a critical point here,
though. Mitt Romney is not anti-immigration. He opposes illegal immigration
and he opposes amnesty. Maybe that is why God brought Romney to our land?
From Mitt Romney's campaigm web site:"Mitt Romney believes that
legal immigration is a boon to America. He will strengthen our immigration
system so that it benefits the U.S. economy, ensures our security, bolsters the
rule of law, and carries on Americaâs tradition as a nation of legal
immigrants."The key word is "legal". Mitt is all for
legal immigrants. He is against illegal immigration. I am all for legal
immigration as well, my fiance is a legal immigrant and she is awesome. I know
many awesome legal immigrants. Somehow these Spanish speaking LDS members (and
the author of this article) seem to not be able to distinguish between legal and
I can appreciate the 11 million plus illegal immigrants wanting to come here to
make better lives for them and their families. I can sympathize with that.
However, we cannot absorb all those that want to do that...just not possible. I
canot help but wonder what would happen if all thos well-intentioned folks
stayed in their home countries, and united their efforts in making their home
countries the "better place to raise their families". That's kind of
how this country got started, isn't it?
Hmm! "god brought them?" YES! For Lehi that was YES, but who else...
Most are not comi g illegally because they cannot practise their faith in their
home countries.Anyone saying that discredits the message we hear from the
Church to STAY HOME AND STRENGHTEN ZION THERE. Have the illegals
ever wondered how difficult they had made it to all the others who legally would
want to go to the US, but cannot because they have toughened the rules for the
others...The basis of our religion is to onor the laws of the
land!BUT the sad thing is that the closed border policy and every
other policy is not working, but seperating families. A good guest worker system
would allow people a chance to go home... Not everybody who comes wants to stay
- actually most would return if given the opportunity.
Just another voting block that will not be supporting Mitt Romney.
"I don't believe in rounding up 11 million people and forcing them at
gunpoint from our country." He would like to see illegal immigrants
register with the government, pay taxes, and apply for citizenship, but that
they should not be given any priority or special treatment over immigrants who
have applied for citizenship legally"That's what I had heard
over and over. He added that he believes in register them, some will be
deported, some will be put on the road to citizenship. But he does believe in
enforcing e-verify and securing the borders. And I do believe that's
feasible. Obama promised the land to illegals and what happened? the number of
deportations increased even with a latina as the head of USCIS.
Are these latino's here legally? I guess we don't know that answer. You can be
here illegally, go to the Mormon Church and they will of course have a Spanish
Speaking ward for you, give you a temple recommend even if you break the
articles of faith, make sure you have work and call it good. That has nothing to
do with the rest of the nation who are citizens of the United States of America.
I personally would not give a temple recommend to anyone that I knew was an
illegal immigrant (which is why I'll never be a Bishop). Illegals I have a
problem with. Legals I do not have a problem with.
I would be poetic justice if all the Mormon Pharisees ranting about immigration
lose the election for Romney.Hint: Those that crucified Christ were
simplu enforcing the "law of the land" as they saw it.
It is pretty much a guarantee--bring up immigration and the hate spews forth.
It would be so refreshing to read more from peoplke who have loving
solutions to help latinos who obviously come to the U.S. in hopes of having a
It is sad and most unfortunate that any Latino, let alone LDS Latinos would
invoke their race in the illegal immigration criminal activity occurring in this
nation. And to do so to the detriment of the very society and rule of law that
has fostered not only the opportunity for unequaled liberty and economic
security they enjoy, but which fostered the environment which allowed for the
unfettered founding, growth and ongoing existence of the LDS faith they purport
to adhere to. It is utterly dishonest of these Latinos to fight against
the rule of law that protects them, preserves their health and liberty, solely
to strengthen âLa Razaâ in America. It has all the markings of an
occupation rather than mere immigration. And the free, open society they enjoy
here is used by them to what can only be viewed as racist ends. They resist the
law and anyone who attempts to strengthen and uphold healthy immigration law
based SOLELY on race alone! That, must be recognized for what it is. True racism
I chuckle that any LDS would continue to ignore the word illegal. That is so
convenient for them to continue to ignore the illegal immigrant and lump them
together with the legal immigrant. How shameful is there hypocrisy. One of the
tenants of our regilion is to honor, obey and sustain the laws of the land.
They are the ones who are denying the faith.
The Deseret News continues to solid reputation for the publication of insightful
and comprehensive national and international news reporting that on the whole is
better than many larger and nationally-recognized newspapers, including the
Washington Post. Unfortunately, The Deseret News local coverage is sorely
lacking in depth and breadth. Nevertheless, the anti-Romney article along with
the Mormon-Immigration tie is fascinating and a credit to the Newspaper's
integrity and publisher.
"But a lot of us aren't supporting him because of his stance against
immigrants."..."But Hispanic Mormons may have limited
influence in Arizona's upcoming GOP primary and the general election this year.
Garcia said that's because most are illegal immigrants and can't vote."=====================It is interesting to note the only use
of the word "illegal" in the two sentences above was in reference to
an inability to vote. Yet, it is pivotal in both.The only thing
that Mitt Romney and, as far as I can tell, all the GOP candidates are
"against" is -illegal- immigrants.As I've said so many
times in the past, if you want to see the level of corruption in the arguments
on this topic, one of the best methods is to note who is willing to correctly
use the word "illegal".
This was inevitable. Mitt Romney has failed to secure any of the
voting demographics with exception for pandering to the wealthy. **
Mitt Romney: Corporations are people...my friend - By Phillip Elliot - AP -
Published by DSNews 08/11/11 ** Romney: Campaign âNot very
concerned about the very poorâ â By Z. Byron Wolf â ABC News
â 02/01/12 ** Study: Romney plan raises taxes on poor
familiesâ â By Stephen Ohlemacher â AP â Published by
DSNews â 01/05/12 And, while not DENYING his background, he
has been reluctant to note his roots: ** Campaigning Mitt Romney
seldom notes Mexican roots' - By Andriana Gomez Licon - AP - Published by DSNews
- 01/26/11 "His (Romney) father, George, was born in Mexico and
his extended relatives still live in the same community..." â
article When you IGNORE a key demographic that you factually belong
too... what else can you expect?
I struggle with this issue also. I think any solution is going to be painful.
The Church's concern is that deportation separates families, which is contrary
to LDS teaching. If you look at it in economic terms, mass
deportation would be very expensive, and have a negative impact on the economy.
First and foremost we need to secure the border better. Then, I think that
providing a VISA with a reasonable pathway to citizenship to allow them to stay
in the country is reasonable. Then they can be taxed.There also has to be zero
tolerance to those who commit felonies or serious crimes--deportation with first
offense.Now many will say that this plan isn't fair to those who
came to this country legally. That's true but this problem of so many illegals
in this country can be blamed in large part on policies of the U.S. Government
and its own citizens.
Immigration is one of the red meat issues that politicos use to rile up the
extreme base because it appeals to the worst instincts in the paranoid
extremists on both sides of this issue.Ironically, the true
believers on the fringes are now driving the Republican primaries, so the
candidates are now forced to pander to them, even though those same candidates
have histories of not believing their own current rhetoric.The truth
is the extreme positions now being adopted by Republican hopefuls will likely
make the eventual candidate unelectable in a national race.Perhaps
once both parties suffer losses because of their antics courting their repective
lunatic fringes then we can return to a time of honest debate, fair compromise,
and true governance.
As I recall the church is urging members to stay in their own countries and help
grow the church there. With Illegal immigrants it seems to be about them
"improving" their own lives at the expense of the other countries
laws. Does anyone think that breaking the laws of this country are okay as long
as they are doing it for themselves. Then if they get caught its; "Don't
punish my family for my decision to break the law."
Sadly, many who like to call themselves 'Mormons' have been baptized to hide in
the mormon congregations and look for compassion trying to hide the bad decision
they made coming here illegally. You need to be responsible for your own
actions. You cannot expect to come here knowing you are risking it by being
illegal and then pleading to be accepted with all the terms of the law. Don't
mix religion with the law. And if you are really true members or followers of
Christ, then you need to remember to follow the law of the land you are living
@eastcoastcougI would guess that in referring to Europe, Romney was
referring to the political and economic philosophies of the Europeans rather
than to the moral values of the Europeans.
801:where was the enforcement of rights when mormons were chased out of
the country. you might do well understanding mormon history before making an
absurd comment like that.
so where was "obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law" between
1862-1890 in utah???
This seems to be another article looking to gain sympathy for the illegals in
the country. They do not like the label yet they have knowingly broke the
law.I have a friend who immigrated legally, spent thousands of
dollars and lots of time preparing to come here and live. Some are
not so fortunate but there are waiting lists of qualified people waiting to come
here and they are being ignored and punished for not breaking the law. When
that happens the system is broke and needs to be fixed.I have yet to
see where the inmates locked up or not come up with the best plan.
@NeilT How does punishing innocent children for the actions of their parents
accomplish anything. As long as the far right views immigrants as a burden on
society the divide will continue. A U.S. Citizen who is convicted of a crime
and is sentenced to prison, then the same system is punishing that persons
children by seperating the family. Your next sentence blurs the diffenece
between illegal and legal. As one of the far right Legal is fine, illegal is
not. Oh my I must be racist. As far as the children they are in fact a burden on
the rest of us including you. And again I wish them (illegal) all gone.
I just had a thought. These people who are complaining want illegal immigration
to continue. And it seems they want these same illegal immigrants to NOT vote
for Romney. Since when can they vote? So basically we have illegals who cannot
vote telling others who cannot vote whom to vote for. Won't these folks be
voting Democrat anyway when the Dems pick them up and bus them to a voting
This topic has always bothered me. I am still reading and looking to learn. I
read the Book of Moromon this morning 2 Nephi 1. Brought by the hand of God.
NOT BY THE GOVERNMENT Gods house is a house of order. If there was NO order at
the border our country would become just like any other land in the World. If
the rules to become something are harder we become more. I am in thousands of
houses a year in San Jose doing work. Money and location don't really change
anything. We need to become a better people where ever we live. Location on
earth is NOT the final answer. Temples are in more places than just America
Wow, the hispanic community can surely see where they stand with these postings.
No wonder they vote mostly Democratic. This old "obeying, honoring, and
sustaining the law" is just fine for those who really do it. But, we all
know that we all also choose on many occasions which law we want to obey, or
not, at the moment. Travel down the highways and take note and then cast your
We live in an age where our country simply needs to know who enters our borders
and what their intentions are. Nobody is against legal immigration where people
enter to live peaceably and become productive members of society. Immigration
laws are intended to ensure that people who enter our country do so. This would
include people from any place in the world including those of Latino descent.
Some apparently want to toss out our immigration laws and erase the border.
Oh, the Hispanics want us to just erase the borders and give them open access to
our bank accounts . . . and want to use religion as some kind of justification?
Well, then to be totally acceptable and politically correct, I guess we just
better go ahead and do it then. After all, we don't want any politicians who
actually stand up and represent security, stability, solvency, and sanity. That
would be horribly out of fashion, wouldn't it?
I am also a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. And I
support Mitt Romney. My husband is from Costa Rica and he came here legally
because he didn't want to do anything that would be against the law of this land
and he's a very honest person. It took hard work and lots of patience but he is
now a citizen of this country. So if you want something bad enough you have to
work and not expect a free ride..and to us that is what illegal immigration
is..a free ride and dishonesty. So we fully support Mitt Romney and we stand by
him on his stand against illegal immigration.
utah by5--"If you find yourself sneaking into a country by going through
underground tunnels, swimming across a river or sneaking over a fence, you are
probably not immigrating the correct way. These people who break the laws of the
land open themselves up to being punished accordingly."When I
read your comment, I thought of an article I read in the late 80's. All you have to do is substitute the words "into a country" with
"out of a country" and "immigrating" with
"emigrating", and you'd be describing what so many did to escape East
Germany before the fall of the Berlin Wall.In that case, we cheered
for and celebrated the tunnel diggers and swimmers and fence sneakers--bet they
were glad the West Germans weren't as interested in punishment.
Serenity puts it best, Obama has deported hundreds of thousands. For those who
support illegal immigrants, Obama has been no friend. He deports and yet
provides no mechanism for the deported to return. Families are torn apart,
businesses suffer, and deported individuals will try to return and then face
lifetime bars to immigrating. Romney, though he used to espouse
legal pathways to those illegally present, represents the best hope for those
illegally here. He may force those illegals to self-deport through programs
such as e-verify, but he is also smart enough of a business man to realize we
need a source of inexpensive labor. He will provide a way for them to get in
line and return. It may not be as quick as some illegals want, but it will be
quicker than the current law which essentially provides no line. Obama has done
nothing to create a way for the deported to return so it is ironic that the
illegals are actually supporting him. Bush and McCain had great
proposals to rework the immigration system and make paths for those illegally
present to return home and get in a new line. Mitt would most likely do the
same. It was interesting though to see Mitt change course so
quickly on the Dream Act for those serving in the military. I would like to see
the Dream act expanded to those who attend college, but would also put a
limitation so that those who benefit from the Dream Act could not sponsor family
members. I served a mission among the Latinos in Utah. Most are
hard-working and good members of society. We need a mechanism to allow those
good people to return home and immigrate lawfully in a way that works. We need to be careful about hypocrisy. How many times did early church
members avoid the law?
First, Romney is NOT opposed to immigrants. He is opposed to ILLEGAL immigrants
being allowed to continue to break the law. Second, the Book of Mormon does NOT
state that the Lamanites lived in the American southwest. Also, when the BofM
states that those who come to this land are brought by God, it doesn't
necessarily mean the United States. It could mean North America of which
countries south of the border are part. It also could mean all of North and
South America. I realize these arguments are convenient for these
people to use in order for them to invoke the Gospel in supporting their
arguments, but they don't really hold water. We are also taught to obey and
sustain the law. That is a VERY important gospel principle that these Latin
members seem to have conveniently forgotten.Look, we're all
conflicted about this issue. But, this is NOT a justifiable reason for Members
of the LDS Church to oppose Mitt Romney. And...what his grandfather did is
completely irrelevant. These people are using their ethnic loyalty to truly
ignore LDS teachings. They're just dead wrong.Mitt is our one
chance to save our country.
yeah,obama is much better suited for LDS people. no accountability, hand
out, religion under attack...yeap he's the guy
SSMD made a very important point about this "promised land" doctrine.
The Church plants deep roots anywhere it builds Temples. There are about 12 in
Mexico alone. Plus many more in Central and South America. It is also why the
Church has a "Perpetual Education Fund." The Church wants good strong
LDS to help build up their homelands, not to gather at one location. At least
not yet. Hopefully if this issue is gaining momentum in part of
the LDS Church, the General Authorities will address it at General Conference.
The Church had better nip this in the bud before it gets out of hand, because it
could become very devisive if there is much disagreement on the doctrine.
The critics of illegal immigration will never discuss the real issues which are
poverty, violence, and government corruption which are the driving force behind
illegal immigration. I don't support illegal immigration. I also don't support
the harsh rhetoric coming from the far right. How does punishing innocent
children for the actions of their parents accomplish anything. As long as the
far right views immigrants as a burden on society the divide will continue.
Listen to the rhetoric. Harsh laws are not the solution. Illegal immigrants
are human beings no matter what their immigration status. Stop demonizing
people for being poor and wanting to come to a country that offers a better
If you find yourself sneaking into a country by going through underground
tunnels, swimming across a river or sneaking over a fence, you are probably not
immigrating the correct way. These people who break the laws of the land open
themselves up to being punished accordingly.
From the article: "According to the Book of Mormon, the Lamanites lived in
the present-day American Southwest, traveled south and face years of hardship,
and are prophesized to eventually return to the Promised Land."Wow - I guess I missed the part where the LDS church began to recognize a
specific geographic theory with regards to the Book of Mormon. The sad thing is
that this information is not identified as coming from Ignacio Garcia, but
rather stated as a fact. This clearly demonstrates journalistic overreach on
the part of Russell Contreras.C'mon Russell. Readers of the Deseret
News deserve better.
It's dishonest to enter a country illegally. It's dishonest to overstay your
visa. It's dishonest to steal a social security number to get a job. It's
dishonest to work at a job you are not entitled to. So I guess it's ok for
Latino Mormon's to be dishonest, right?? Wow, how the primary lesson's have
changed since I was a kid.
The outrageous expectations that illegals are entitled to sneak in and stay here
is starting to erode the good feelings that I have had toward everyone. I was
raised with phillipino, mexican, irish, english, scottish and german cousins.
We always got along well. I have family who are black, muslim, plus all of the
above. How is it that immigrants sneaking into Mexico from the south are
treated so harshly??? Stop pretending that you speak for the LDS church. The
only thing I heard was that we should treat others with compassion. Illegal
will never be anything but illegal. If we need latino workers, let us deport
all of those here illegally and bring in those who have been waiting patiently
to come in.
Now, is Mitt Romney against immigrants or illegal aliens? People who come to
this country illegally are breaking the law of the United States. The Church
consistently is preaching to obey the laws of the land. So the Latinos don't
want Mitt Romney as president because he supports the laws of the land? Do they
expect him to say that he supports people who are breaking the law? What happened in Book of Mormon times was a long time ago. The laws then were
different from what they are today. The analogy that the people in the Book of
Mormon came to the Promised Land and the illegal aliens of today are equal is
illogical. The situation is completely different. Latinos should
realize that the Obama administration has deported hundreds of thousands of
illegal aliens and their only hope just might be Romney. Not because he
supports illegal aliens but rather because he is smart enough to fix the
situation in a fair and equitable manner. Pablo Felix is telling
his congregation whom to vote for? That is strictly against Church policy of
neutrality. Just who is a Democratic moderate candidate?
I cringe when I read that many of these members are in the US illegally. What
happened to the principle of "obeying the laws of the land"?At the same time, I feel these people have the same right to question Romney's
adherence to his beliefs that those on the opposite side have who feel that just
because Romney is LDS and conservative, he's the right man for the job. We need
to look more closely at his proposed policies (kind of complicated to do since
they're not clear) and judge whether or not he would really be able to govern
effectively for all of us since he has tried so hard to pander to the Far
Right.I would also call out that Mitt has offended many European
members of the LDS church including one Stake President who asked me the other
day "What does Mitt have against us in Europe?" after hearing him
lambast Obama for trying to make the US more like Europe. This man pointed out
that there are many good people there who are trying to understand Mitt's point
and that they (in his country) still have an AAA rating. We need to be careful
in this internet age about what we say since our messages go way beyond our
I've listened to Romney speak about immigration. He is not opposed to
immigration as long as it's done legally. It's the folks that sneak in that
ruffle his and mot American's feathers. I have the idea that these people are
confused between the two.
I love how the word ILLEGAL is always dropped from the discussion of this issue.
It is so manipulative and dishonest. Romney is not against immigration. I don't
know anybody who is. Certainly, none of the candidates for president are against
immigration. It is ILLEGAL immigration that is the problem. People who come here
need to follow the law. There is nothing in LDS teachings that supports the
breaking of our laws.
Antonella Packard says Romney is "against immigrants." That is a
misrepresentation, confusing "immigrants" with "illegal
immigrants," a common disingenuous tactic used by too many people to divert
the debate from the issue of legality. Professor Garcia
said,""The book says no one comes to the Land unless they are brought
by God." That is true, but he seems to forget that the Book of Mormon
designation of the promised land refers to all of the land of the American
continents, not just the land inside the current borders of the United States. A
Mexican crossing the border into the United States is simply moving from one
part of the promised land to another, not from somewhere else into the promised
What part of "We Believe in Honoring and Sustaining the Law" article
of Faith do these people (I guess they're still LDS members, I wasn't clear from
the story?) wish to ignore? As active LDS myself, I'm highly irritated by their
blatantly biased political theories. It's the age-old story.
Cafeteria-style religion. Pick and choose which teachings to follow...based on
personal preferences or cultural issues. The immigration laws are
the Immigration laws, period, and should be enforced. If these people don't
like the law, then they should work within the process to change the law. And
if they don't get their way, then they need to "deal with it" like
I am sorry for these Latinos, but speaking out against Romney is not the answer.
If you have a candidate that supports all of your needs as an illegal, then you
should vote for them, I guess. At least you are free to do so. But unless you
have a viable alternative... Im just saying, you can't have all that we stand
for without paying the price.
"The book says no one comes to the Land unless they are brought by
God."Give us a break! You can twist words to mean anything you
want them to mean. Who brought the 911 terrorists here???I'm
disappointed to read that my church hires people to transport missionaries who
can't fly because they are in the country illegally. :-(
I noticed while reading the article that the Latino spokespersons used the terms
"immigration" and "illegal immigration" interchangeably, as
if there were no difference. They coattail the terms together and then apply a
religious objection to Romney's policy position.Without suggesting I
support Romney, I offer that what these folks are doing is fundamentally unfair
to Romney. They also mistakenly justify turning a deaf ear and blind eye to the
fact that their congregations are made up of significant numbers of illegals by
misapplying scripture in an attempt to make it "righteous."What happened to "honoring, obeying, and sustaining" the law? You
can't violate a basic tenet of the Church, while claiming a righteous basis for
This is an issue that I struggle with quite a bit. On one hand, I can certainly
understand the position of those who oppose Romney's stance on immigration based
on Mormon, and, in general, Christian teachings. On the other hand, how do you
reconcile this with one of the tenants of Mormonism: "obeying, honoring ans
sustaining the law"? I'm not trying to pick a fight with anyone, but
genuinely want to understand. It seems that by offering amnesty, we are
rewarding those who have broken the law. I will be the first to admit that
current immigration laws are horrible and make it very difficult for honest,
hard-working people to immigrate to America, but I'm not convinced that full
amnesty is the answer. Quite honestly, I believe that this issue has been so
politicized that logic, reason and finding a true solution have given way to
whatever position will win the next election (on both sides).
"We view immigration as a God event" - God also told you to honor,
obey, and sustain the laws of the land.