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  • marcamus goochland, va
    Feb. 24, 2012 10:55 a.m.

    Get off the "we believe in being honest, obeying the law" as a justification for being mad at illegals. If this argument was the only argument, then our founding fathers would have made horrible Mormons. Rosa Parks would never make a good Mormon. MLK would never make a good Mormon. Early saints fleeing unjust laws would never make good Mormons.

    Don't get me wrong we need to create a workable legal solution. Romney represents the best option as someone who will once elected create a workable solution for individuals to go home and come back on temporary work visas.

    The individuals in the article need to understand that Obama has been no friend to immigrants with his record deportations with no avenue to return. Clinton passed the 10 year bar rule which keeps people from going home because then the line would be 10 years to return. This hurts both work and family visas.

    Bush and Reagan are the only recent Presidents to be friends to immigrants. Romney will continue this legacy.

  • The American Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 22, 2012 3:09 p.m.

    If Mormons believe in honoring and sustaining the law and are in a country illegally. Shouldn't they make an effort to become legal or accept consequences of decisions that they make. It doesn't matter who you are if you are doing something illegal, you have to suffer the consequence of that choice. If either a Mormon, Catholic or other major religious leader stole money, touched a child inappropriately, or even something small like going 15 over the speed limit they have to pay the consequence. What makes them any better than any one else. They should have to pay the penalty of such an act.

  • JKayDS EULESS, TX
    Feb. 22, 2012 2:37 p.m.

    I think that this is really sad that any group of LDS people would go against a person like this.
    If your going to reject him then you could at least be honest in your rejection of him.
    He is NOT against immigration but is against illegal aliens taking over our country and living on the taxpayers money.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Feb. 22, 2012 12:42 p.m.

    If Latino Mormons don't like Mitt because he would enforce the law of the land then they would have the same issue with Joseph Smith who wrote the article of faith "We believe in honoring, OBEYING, and sustaining the LAW of the land". Same ole same ole stuff from illegal's who want a free pass around the law. How about this idea - "BE HONEST" ?? If you are here illegally then you aren't honest and I would bet you could find plenty of references in the Book of Mormon about being honest.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Feb. 22, 2012 12:10 p.m.

    Mr. Obama won Salt Lake county in 2008.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Feb. 22, 2012 12:08 p.m.

    2 Nephi 1: 6 Do we believe the scriptures or not?

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 21, 2012 3:32 p.m.

    After living in 4 Latin American countries, visiting in five others, and living in the states of Texas, Arizona and California, I know that the people in Latin America have a great desire to come to the United States of America, for a variety of reasons. One of the reasons is that their countries are missing the rule of law as we have in our country. Some have similar types of government on the books but the practicality of those rules and laws that should govern are not really applied. We have a balance of power that no other country quite has. We have a long term belief and practicality of the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution. We have people who for 200 years basically honor, sustain and obey the laws. There is a system to deal with all those parts. When people come here, either legally or illegally have a responsibility to go by the laws of the land, both U.S. and State laws. That is how our system works. You get the benefits when you honor, obey and sustain the laws of the United States of America. As in the Latin American countries where people don't obey the laws, the people are dealt with, one way or another. Unfortunately, many don't deal with the governmental published system of laws and some people are corrupt. That is why people want to come to the USA to have a better life and live in a place that has rules and order. You can basically close your eyes at night and go to sleep relaxing here. That is not necessarily true in other places. Living in the USA is a privilege and honor for those that come legally, through the system. Others take a chance that the violation of immigration laws will eventually fall on them. That makes it so they can't sleep at night due to the fear of being found violating a non-immigration rule or law. The United States is a Great Place to live by the law and to get to that position, people are subject to the law, which has consequences to the violation of the law.

  • rapaz11 Sitka, AK
    Feb. 21, 2012 3:21 p.m.

    This is not about honoring and obeying the law, and if it were, everyone would be a hypocrite. How many of us always obey traffic laws? It is about not wanting to support someone who does not have your best interests at heart. The fact that Romney wants to make it as hard as possible for them is why they are understandably upset.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2012 3:04 p.m.

    "Do they really believe that the LDS church is in favor of law-breaking and that God is inspiring people to illegally enter the country?"

    Does being an illegal immigrant stop someone from getting a temple recommend?

  • NewsJunkie Centerville, UT
    Feb. 21, 2012 1:54 p.m.

    To claim that the Book of Mormon provides a basis for immigration is a convenient, liberal interpretation, as we don't even know which land was meant. The United States of America didn't exist at the time, so it is more likely to assume that it referres to the entire American continents. And last time I checked most of these illegal immigrants already come from America.
    So more appropriately would be to adhere to the LDS's articles of faith which states " We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law." Entering and staying in a country illegially is by definition against the law!
    I understand that this is a difficult issue that needs to be handled with care as it deals with the lives of human beings. Which is exactly what the LDS church leaders are saying, however they are also saying that people still need to abide by the law - there is no wiggeling out of that one.

  • Viva la Migra American Fork, UT
    Feb. 21, 2012 1:37 p.m.

    Is it just me, or is there a huge gap between the beliefs of mainstream LDS (we believe in being honest, obeying the law) and the Spanish speaking illegal immigrant members?

    Do they really believe that the LDS church is in favor of law-breaking and that God is inspiring people to illegally enter the country?

    It almost seems like there are two completely versions of the same church. I wonder which one will win out?

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Feb. 21, 2012 1:26 p.m.

    Tami,

    "What a tremendous opportunity we have as members of the church to have a Mormon president"

    Take a good hard look at how you're choosing your president. Are you doing so by logic and reasoning or because he shares your faith? Take a good hard look at why you vote ... is it to fulfill YOUR desire to have a Mormon president or are you voting based on what's best for ALL Americans?

    Also ... if Latino's leave the church you're going to lose A LOT of members. They will be free though so that's fantastic for their lives if they choose to do so.

  • Tami Herriman, UT
    Feb. 21, 2012 12:35 p.m.

    Wow, I would have to say that if the Latino members of the church are trying to start a civil war, they are doing a great job of it! What a tremendous opportunity we have as members of the church to have a Mormon president and they are protesting because he is trying to uphold the laws of the land? Isn't that one of the articles of faith? Perhaps these Latino members had better take a good hard look at why they joined the church.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Feb. 21, 2012 12:32 p.m.

    shuttdlrl
    Smith River, CA
    Democrats still practice slavery. Beware!

    Wow you're really stretching that one.

    And Latino's should speak out against Romney ... everyone should speak out against him. And LDS rules about obeying the rule of the land hold NO water considering the churches history of breaking the law itself, especially in the early days. The prophets themselves broke their own (or God's if you will) rules by running distilleries, etc.

  • shuttdlrl Smith River, CA
    Feb. 21, 2012 10:48 a.m.

    Democrats still practice slavery. Beware! Latinos are in danger, remember what they did to Ellian Gonzalez. He was sent back to a country that practices slavery. They are doing the same to the American people through labor, taxation, a depressed economy, etc. The democrats started taxing our wages in the last depression. It was supposed to only tax the rich. Now everyone pays income tax. We were only to be taxed to defend our country in a declared war. Again they want to tax the rich so they can increase their wages, benefits, etc. all at the expense of the hard working taxpayer. Do not be deceived. Romney will save America from these despots.
    shuttdlrl

  • IJ Hyrum, Ut
    Feb. 21, 2012 9:27 a.m.

    The Book of Mormon also says the knowledge of this land needed to be kept from other nations lest the land be over run and there would not be place for an inheritance.

    I think we can see for ourselves the effects of other nations knowing about this land.

    Please, if you are going to quote scripture, first understand the doctrine as a whole and then do it in context.

  • dustman Nampa, ID
    Feb. 21, 2012 9:14 a.m.

    Has the LDS church taken a stance lately on illegal immigration? I haven't seen it if they have. The church has neither spoke out for or against illegal immigration directly.

    I served an LDS mission in the US. I was Spanish speaking. As far as I know, if you were a law breaker you couldn't get baptized...except if the law you broke was immigration. I never interviewed people for baptism. I don't think I baptized anyone who wasn't illegal. I'm not saying it was right or wrong, I'm just reporting the facts.

    As a church, if were baptizing illegal immigrants and don't have any problem with it, why do we have a problem at all?

  • m.g. scott LAYTON, UT
    Feb. 21, 2012 9:07 a.m.

    Living in Southern California I saw ATM machines at liquor stores that not only had Spanish as the first choice and English second, but had the ability to transfer money internationally. From what I understand, a huge part of Mexicos economy is money sent there from the U.S. That is wealth leaving our country. Not kept in our economy. No doubt that many illegals are hard working people that could be contributing to their own country. I'll bet that Mexico would not let them come here so easily if they were not getting a lot of money sent back home after the illegals earn it in the U.S. And many American banks are making this wealth transfer easy by the aforementioned ATM machines. Lots of things need to be addressed on the illegal issue. I wonder if any politician has the guts to do it, even if they will be called racist, which they most surely will.

  • dustman Nampa, ID
    Feb. 21, 2012 9:06 a.m.

    Twin Towers High Jackers came in legally.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    Feb. 21, 2012 7:33 a.m.

    While I agree with many of the sentiments shared in this article regarding immigration, especially, I don't see this as the most important issue defining this election, so Mitt's still my favorite candidate. Further what conservative candidate has a more flexible stance on immigration?

    Asking Democrats if you like Mitt Romney is really stupid...

  • Andermart Pullman, WA
    Feb. 21, 2012 7:16 a.m.

    Romney's family were "sent" with other families to Mexico, where they were welcomed by the Mexican Government because of their ability to take harsh and sub-par areas and through hard work, to turn them into areas that could sustain life. They were highly respected for their work ethic and ingenuity, but they were also looked down upon by neighboring Latino citizens because these locals felt these Mormons must have had unfair advantages from the government to have done so well in the colonies.

    During the Mexican Revolution of 1912, Romney's family and most all other Americans from the Northern Mexican Colonies fled Mexico back into America because they were neutral in the skirmishes and the USA didn't want US citizens getting the USA mixed up in the fight. This is different from illegal immigrants.

  • PeanutGallery Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2012 1:14 a.m.

    Packard's "mission" seems misguided. By focusing on defeating Mormons who don't share her immigration views, she may be unintentionally undermining candidates who have a lot more in common with her than do other politicians. Instead, why doesn't she focus on politicians in GENERAL who don't share her immigration views? Her current focus sounds like a bitter, unproductive obsession.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Feb. 21, 2012 12:08 a.m.

    Other news sources are reporting they have been traveling around holding firesides.

  • hermounts Pleasanton, CA
    Feb. 20, 2012 11:25 p.m.

    There is no "basic Mormon teaching" about protecting immigrants. There IS one about obeying the law, including immigration laws.

  • snowman Provo, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 11:04 p.m.

    Ms Packard should understand that there is no such thing aa a basic Mormon principle of protecting immigrants.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 10:40 p.m.

    NeilT
    You post the same thing in many articles. A person here illegally can get help with WIC, baby your baby and Chips. A family with one birthright child qualifies all children for food stamps, cash payments, and medicaid.

    Americans work at those jobs. What you are saying is an insult to those who do. I suggest the pro-illegal folks stop using this argument. As a matter of fact, Swift meat went bankrupt using illegal labor. A company from Brazil bought them and hired American workers. They had record profits after doing so.

    If illegals worked harder, their countries would be leading the US in productivity, not the other way around.

    The story about Colorado was a propaganda piece. Those hired mostly stayed, a few did leave, that's who they focused on. He had so many apply (over 600) that he turned people away. I would suggest you look up an article written by the Deseret news Aug 4 1998 about how Americans working in agriculture were kept in perpetual poverty by illegal aliens and the surplus of labor. It's a hard hitting piece that shows the result of illegal immigration, and why so few Americans can't afford to word in the fields anymore. It gives a good view of what will happen in other job categories if it continues.

    I have heard some pretty lame excuses for breaking immigration laws. This one is new, although yesterday someone commented in another article that the land was given to them by God and they were reclaiming it.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 9:50 p.m.

    The truth is illegal immigrants are not eligble for government benfits like food stamps, welfare, etc. The truth is most illegals are working at semi or unskilled labor, fast food, even meat packing plants. How is that taking jobs from Americans? Most Americans despise these jobs. Most illegals can do work just as hard if not harder than many Ameicans. A farmer in Colorado tried to hire locals instead in bringing in immigrant labor. Big mistake, he couldn't find enough workers who were willing or able to do the job. To the poster who said children are a burden. That is the same arguement the left uses to justify abortion. I stand by my comments.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 9:46 p.m.

    Ok. For all those who claim illegals are 'breaking the law'.

    Fine.

    Pay an illegal immigrant, minimum wage.

    We've had illegal immigrants in the past.

    They were called...

    Pioneers.

  • peacemaker Provo, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 7:10 p.m.

    It appears a vast majority disagree with this view point. law abiding citizens see through this premise regardless of who speaks in favor of the criminal acts.

  • USMCer POST FALLS, ID
    Feb. 20, 2012 6:39 p.m.

    I believe the quote has been misinterpreted. As God wants us to obey His law, He also wants us to obey the rightful and just laws of the land. An immigrant coming to this country under the auspices of the law is welcomed with open arms. However, one who comes here, as anywhere else on the planet, and chooses to live undocumented, under the radar does so at their own peril. And if they find themselves in trouble with employment, the law, and ever the social services of the state, it is a consequence of their decision to sneak across the border.
    I feel for illegal immigrants because I know they come here with the hopes of making a better life, but the law is the law and must be obeyed.
    Romney only reiterates the present laws on the books--nothing more. Those who decide to use this stance as a litmus test for defeating Romney will be ill served since there are much, much bigger issues than immigration to contend with.

  • SoCalChris Riverside, CA
    Feb. 20, 2012 6:35 p.m.

    Miss Piggie,

    Please provide a cite for the LA Times article you're getting your information from. I'm pretty sure you'll find these "statistics" are cooked up in some internet urban legend. This is typical of the propaganda that stirs up hatred against illegals and makes everyone an authority on the subject. When I google LA Times and illegal immigrant crime statistics, I find a piece that states that crime in Arizona actually dropped after a huge influx of illegals during the 90s. Easy explanation -- most likely want to keep their nose clean and fly under the radar.

    Illegal immigrants come in all varieties just like the rest of us, good, not-so-good, bad, etc. If anything, I see a predominance of ambitious, hard-working humble people.

  • ProudUtahn St. George, Utah
    Feb. 20, 2012 6:14 p.m.

    as the 12th article of faith states to honor and obey the laws of the land.
    My wife's grandfather immigrated here from Italy. 1. he had a sponsor 2.had to record exactly where he was moving to in Nevada and work hard to become a US citizen. and from that time he worked hard on learning English and would not speak Italian because "he was American". (I don't agree not ever speaking his native language or sharing some of his traditions from his home land, thats part of what make the USA great, but the point is he learned english)
    No one is perfect! and I have to work on myself daily to live the precept of the LDS Church. I do make minor traffic violations occationaly though being here illegaly is not a minor infraction, then they vote? How? it only compounds the lies and infractions.

  • marcamus goochland, va
    Feb. 20, 2012 6:06 p.m.

    RBB makes a great point. Provide a path and cooling off period for people to go home, but most importantly create a path for them to return.

    We must know who these people are if we are to have a safe society.

    The harshest immigration laws against the illegals came recently under Democratic presidents. Bush tried to create a path. Reagan created a path. Mitt will create a path. He understands that we need to know who the people are and how we need an economic base of inexpensive labor and new businesses that new immigrants provide.

    Let's take out the obey the law of the land argument. I guess the founding fathers could never have gotten temple recommends. Poor Patrick Henry would have never been accepted as a good Mormon.

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    Feb. 20, 2012 6:03 p.m.

    First, let's clarify somehting about the "immgration" comments regarding the Book of Mormon. There were no legal boudaries established by governments at the time of the Book of Mormon. This book details movements of groups of people, not immigration across boarders. While I am not a member of this faith, I will now vote for Romney based soley on comments of the Latino group. There are legal ways to immigrate and those we support as citizens. If these need to be updated and revised, then we do this through the law and not around it. I thought that it was very strange when a year ago, 2 LDS leaders of branches were caught as illegal. Did this church not first check this out before putting these people in a bad situtation? If you enter this country illegally, then you have broken the law and everything you do from that point forward is breaking the law. Do it right the first time and don't put children in these situations.

  • Johnny Moser Thayne, WY
    Feb. 20, 2012 5:47 p.m.

    Bro Garcia is taking a mighty narrow view of what the BOM immigration might mean in my opinion. I truly doubt that the immigration mentioned related to the "promised land" could be so narrowly defined as these United States. Pretty sure that Mexico, Canada, and the entirity of South America were considered to be "promised land" from a BOM standpoint. So the illegal immigrants in the US aren't what I would believe immigrating to the promised land, they were already there. The are just violating the law of the land and therefore, the expectation of the church to be observant of that law, regardless of whether they agree with it or not.

  • Moracle Blackshear, GA
    Feb. 20, 2012 5:22 p.m.

    though the concern about immigration is an important one, we cannot let it place a bridle with blinders over our eyes, blocking out the real risk of losing our rights as a free people -- by allowing the election of a Democratic president who seems to have a socialistic agenda, aimed at using the Latinos and other ethnic groups to get elected to power (with promises), but in all the years we have been electing them, they have not helped us get out of poverty into main-stream American life.

    Why? Because they must not want us to succeed, but want to keep us dependent and weak, by giving us welfare money, so we will vote for them; taking away our ambition to lift ourselves from the dust and be able to hold our heads high, with the self-respect that only those who are proud enough to stand on their own two feet amd make their own way through this life can know.

    Latinos, don't let immigration be the only thing you see in this election. Many know how it feels to have to hide as an illegal, and would rather be legal. If Romney's plan is chosen, he said he wouln't try to round up the illegals, but make it so people can only work if they're here legally. That way, those who need to leave, can do so and return home to apply for citizenship the right way. I know Latinos would rather be here the right way!

    We have to have respect for the rules of law. There are terrorists and Muslim extremists in South American countries right now, making their way into this country, to destroy it (and any Latinos that live here).

    This nation has to defend itself from these people, and to do so, all foreigners must be processed by law. Otherwise, this nation can be destroyed from within, by illegal terrorists.

    Give Romney a break, give him a chance. He's trying to do it the right and lawful way, the Constitutional way, with compassion. Romney is not against illegals, he is for the U.S. Constitution and upholding its laws, which the Lord said he "suffered to be established, and should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh...and for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land..." (D&C 101:77&80)

    Latinos, don't vote against a man for trying to do the right by the Constitution. We also, want honesty in the White House, not someone willing to bend the Constitutional laws to get elected. Think about it....really think about it. Is that what you want? It's your future that is at risk of terrorists also.

  • MotherHen68 AMERICAN FORK, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 5:04 p.m.

    WOW! This is a story about a woman (and others like her) who want Mitt Romney to break the law. Her thinking is WAY off! Unbelievable.

  • gramma b Orem, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 4:56 p.m.

    Apparently their desire to scam free stuff off the Gringos trumps everything.

  • wrz Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 4:54 p.m.

    Baccus0902:

    "Close the borders, legalize those who have been living here and have had no friction with the law. Legalize the DREAM act for those children who were brought here as infants with no option."

    Legalizing illegals who are here would be a mistake. We did that under Reagan which only encouraged more to come for the same treatment. That's why we are in such a pickle today with millions of illegals here sucking up free education, healthcare, etc., and taking millions of jobs that unemployed Americans need.

    "Do the right thing, do the Christian thing and you may find that Latino Mormons will be more willing to listen to Romney."

    Sure, if illegal Latinos get amnesty they would be happy to listen to Romney... to anybody.

    "President Obama has deported more illegal aliens than any other President before him. However the Latino community still supports him. Why?"

    Why? Because he keeps deportations under his hat, not announcing very loudly what he's up to. And he has never announced that he is against illegal immigration. Certainly Obama is illegals' best hope among all candidates for presidency at this point.

  • Celticwolf Syracuse, Utah
    Feb. 20, 2012 4:25 p.m.

    Ok so how does supporting Illegal Immigration or letting them get jobs, drivers licenses and all that other stuff they have no legal rights to have in America, fit in with our Mormon philosophy of "CTR" Choose The Right. Or did Mormons stop teaching their kids that?

    Just curious on how you can be a Mormon and support breaking the law.

  • Heidi71 Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 3:01 p.m.

    I highly doubt that the Church "hires" people or calls people for the sole purpose of transporting illegal missionaries from state to state. The Church does everything on the up and up. Especially in regards to missionaries. Missionaries are to respect the laws of the lands they are serving in. If a missionary doesn't get a visa by a certain time, they bide their time by serving in places that they are able to until the proper documentation arrives.

    There are a lot of red flags in this article. It was written by an AP reporter and this article is in national papers today. I think the press is just trying to dig up whatever they can about Romney. It's pretty desperate if you ask me.

    They are also going after Santorum and making him sound self-righteous. I support Romney, but the press is also being unfair to Santorum. And we know that most of the press is in the back pocket of the Democrats. Media Matters and all of that.

  • Samuel the Liberalite Farmington, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 3:00 p.m.

    White Horse prophecy ---

    And the Red Horse is rising!

    Power-On my Brothers and Sisters!

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 2:55 p.m.

    Baccus0902, my family were dirt poor, they came from Mexico here legally. Most who do come here are poor coming to be with family. If anything the move to unite families has made it more difficult for others. But it's still possible to do.

    Our biggest problem right now is people not willing to wait.

    The dream act is amnesty for adults who never made themselves legal at 18, even legal Latino's are against amnesty. As far as compassion, those who come illegally are the most un-compassionate of us all (equal to compassion-less businessmen).

    I support a cooling off period (60 days) where people could go home and not face a 10 year penalty. Their employer must pay them $1,500 relocation fee to help them return home.

    At which time they would be able to apply to come back legally at the back of the line. And to make sure our government didn't cook the books and let them in early, we would have a citizens committee overlook it, with new members each year.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 2:41 p.m.

    We have given out over a million green cards each year, more than any other Industrialized country. That's probably to many, considering our record unemployment. There is no reason for anyone to complain.

    Latino's receive over 38% of all legal green cards, yet are only 8% of the worlds population. It seems the more we bend over backwards to please, the more that is demanded.

    Part of my family came here legally from Mexico (Latino), if they can do it, so can you.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Feb. 20, 2012 2:37 p.m.

    Re:ouisc
    Actually, it was the U.S. strengthened emigration (as opposed to immigration) laws In 2004.

    The Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI) is part of the US government's plan to strengthen border security. The WHTI affects travel to Canada in that it will require all travelers to and from Canada, Mexico, Central and South America, the Caribbean and Bermuda to present a passport to enter or re-enter the United States. Therefore, American visitors to these countries may be refused entry if they do not present a passport, Merchant Mariner Document (MMD), or NEXUS Card .

    Prior to the U.S. Policy change, Canada allowed me entry using just photo ID--my driver's license

    Several European countries have higher percentages of foreign born residents than the U.S.

  • bbball WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 2:34 p.m.

    What a bunch of garbage these illegals are spreading! It is a disgrace for the church to be offering sanctuary to these criminals who are stealing the healthcare and education of our children.

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    Feb. 20, 2012 2:30 p.m.

    Just when I think the provincial LDS cannot go any lower. Surprise, surprise, always is able to go one step lower.

    Legality and Justice are two different things. Christ was a revolutionary who fought for justice and dignity for all human beings.

    Many American Christians like to measure freedom, democracy, legality and their faith based on the security of their lives and bank account. A sorry Bunch they are.

    I would be happy to support and scream as you do for legal immigration, if this legal immigration gave an opportunity to all those who look to immigrate based on merits and not in the money they own in their country.

    The rich Latin immigrant has not problem. I have no problem. But, thousands and thousands were brought here because of the wars and political chaos created by the U.S. Government. More accutely during the Reagan's administration and Iran Contra.

    Close the borders, legalize those who have been living here and have had no friction with the law. Legalize the DREAM act for those children who were brought here as infants with no option.

    Do the right thing, do the Christian thing and you may find that Latino Mormons will be more willing to listen to Romney.

    President Obama has deported more illegal aliens than any other President before him. However the Latino community still supports him. WHy? he is following the law and at the same time he is trying to do something for those who work hard, pay taxes and live according to the law of the land.

    Read history, study with an objective yet critical eye, you will learn something. It wouldn't hurt if you try to walk in someone else's shoes. Compassion wouldn't hurt you either.

    If in your mind, being illegal is enough to be wrong then, you deserve pity. Slavery was legal. I'm sure you would have opposed all those slaves who ecaped through the underground railroad.

  • slpa1 West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 2:16 p.m.

    @Cougar Blue

    Your position sounds like "Oh, come on, everybody does it." No they don't.

    While I might inadvertently violate a traffic ordinance from time to time, I understand that there are consequences. I might receive a ticket and fine, or have an accident and face possible injury, fine, and increased insurance rates. I accept that. It's called "personal accountability."

    What I don't do is commit an act that leaves me in violation of the law 24/7/365, and then build a false identity, homestead, employment and more, based on this illegal act, and then go to church and with false piety claim a righteous basis for my lawlessness. A person here illegally is in violation every moment they remain here. It is a life hiding in the shadows.

    Are those here illegally willing to do as I do, and accept the consequences of their behavior? Where is their personal accountability? Can they look their Bishop in the eye and declare that they are honest in their dealings with their fellow man?

  • Mr. Bean Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 2:11 p.m.

    Cats:

    "First, Romney is NOT opposed to immigrants. He is opposed to ILLEGAL immigrants."

    Hispanics make no distinction between illegal and legal immigrants. Hispanics contend that, if you are opposed to illegal immigration you are opposed to immigration. This, since most immigrants these days (legal or illegal) are Hispanic.

  • wrz Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 2:05 p.m.

    NeilT:

    "How does punishing innocent children for the actions of their parents accomplish anything."

    Who's punishing children? If their illegal parents are deported they can and should take their families with them.

    "As long as the far right views immigrants as a burden on society the divide will continue."

    If the brunt of the burden effected you, I think your position would be different. The burden on society is that immigrants are taking jobs that Americans should be taking. They are also costing billions in free education and healthcare. We can't afford it. Plus, we currently have over 15 million unemployed Americans drawing unemployment, who need jobs. Jobs that illegals are taking.

    "Harsh laws are not the solution."

    Harsh laws and strict enforcement of those laws is the only solution. Getting tough is the only way to stem the tide of illegals. Going easy only encourages more to come illlegally. Those who wish to immigrate should get in line and wait their turn.

    "Stop demonizing people for being poor and wanting to come to a country that offers a better life."

    The world is full of poor wishing a better life. We can't take the entire world in.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 1:57 p.m.

    The U.S. has some of the most liberal immigration laws in the world. We offer several visas--work visas, temporary visas, migrant worker visas. Hundreds of Latinos come into California every day with a migrant worker visa, and most of them have work lined up before they cross the border. Temporary visas are available for those wanting an education in the U.S. Work visas are available for those seeking professional employment in the U.S. The work visas can be a bit expensive ($4000), but they do lead to nationalization, if desired, so much more is at stake.

    Those who think it is difficult to get a visa or to hire a legal immigrant do not have a good understanding of immigration on a world scale.

    Americans who try to cross into Mexico or Canada, legally, for reasons other than "visit" get the third degree, and are often refused entry.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 1:46 p.m.

    Go to LDS.org and look at the bishops handbook. 21.1.16

    You will find that they have always told people to come legally, but encourage them to stay in their own country. I'm disgusted by the many attempts to blame others for a persons illegal immigration.

    It seems everyone is to blame except those who did the actual deed.

  • Bruce T. Forbes Kearns, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 1:43 p.m.

    Latino Latter-day Saints hate Romney because he upholds the Twelth Article of Faith and are determined to bring him down for it? I think they've just made me a Romney supporter. If God whanted them to pour over the borders with His blessings, I'm pretty sure He would have directed the prophet to ammend the Twelth Article of Faith. That having not been done, they have no claim to speak for God in this matter and make themselves hypocrites to the Faith.

  • The Balloonatic Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 1:39 p.m.

    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, while compassionate, has as one of its fundamental tenets to honor and obey the law of the land. Mitt Romney is not against immigration. He is not against "Hispanics." But he, like all law-abiding citizens, is against illegal immigration.

    I find it sad that this lady from Saratoga Springs who is interviewed in the article, wants to fight against Romney's campaign over this single issue and fact that illegal immigration is illegal. If she really feels this way, then she also does not support the mayor of her city, Mia Love, who is the daughter of legal immigrants from Haiti. Love is against illegal immigration as well.

    I find it sad that there are possibly a lot of illegal immigrants who are LDS. That is wrong of them and they need to go back to their home countries and be honest to their fellow men.

    I doubt that they were here because of God. I think they are here because of jobs. And I'm afraid that they are going to start their own church called, Somos Mormons. Another fringe group.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Feb. 20, 2012 1:26 p.m.

    Just one more question:

    Latino Mormons are trying to convince other Latino's not to vote for Mitt?
    Those who are here legally have nothing to fear. Are these illegal aliens voting?

    If they are then deport them all.

  • New Yorker Pleasant Grove, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 1:23 p.m.

    It's very irksome to see all the anti-immigration talk here. It shows that many Mormons together with many other Americans are "bubble" people. They're happy to get their illegal nannies, their cheaper produce, their cheaper housing. In their bubble they preserve their supposed superiority by referring to "legality" while the congress they elect cannot bring themselves to sort out a real and workable path to legality in the United States for the people of the world, even for the children who were brought here as babies and who could not survive in their country of origin because they do not really know the language, customs, mores, etc. Yet the "bubble" Americans in their pride think they are just in bringing down the sins of the parents on these children who have grown up in our educational system and culture. Then there are all the rest, and the congress and presidents you elect are stalemated in doing something about this mess. Ideologues reign and reason cannot prevail because they are not "legal." Pride will be yet the downfall of this nation.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Feb. 20, 2012 1:20 p.m.

    True, the Book of Mormon does say that all those who come here are brought by the hand of the Lord. It goes on to say that "the knowledge of this land has been kept from the knowledge of the world for many nations would over run the land." (paraphrased)

    This land (North and South America) are now universally know to the world. The statement was accurate when it was written. This is no longer the case.

    Also the land referred to is North and South America, not just the USA. The Latino's who come to the USA were already in the promised land.

    The interpretation of the scripture presented by the Latino's in this article is completely invalid.

    The people of Amon refused to enter Nephite territory without permission. The Nephites gave them the land of Jershon as an inheritance. The Nephites gave them the means of providing for themselves, not welfare. Too many illegal aliens are on public assistance.

    I fail to understand why the Church would make an illegal alien a leader of a congregation. It just feels wrong and makes for very bad press when it is revealed.

  • stevep38now Provo, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 1:11 p.m.

    God said obey the law! Illegal immigration is against the law. Those who advocate for illegals deny Christian teachings.

  • CWEB Orem, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 1:09 p.m.

    You all need to wake up if you are saying "Come to America Legally, or the right way."

    There is no line to get in, there is no justice in our current immigration policy. My wife and children were the victims of abuse in their native country, and the laws would not protect them. They applied to immigrate numerous times, and paid what to them was a fortune to the United States. They were turned down each time. Not because there was a good reason, not because some quota was reached, because she didn't have enough money or property. Her abusive ex-husband and his brother have visas all the time, they are allowed into the US when ever they want. These are bad men, and a wonderful woman and her children are not allowed.... So don't tell me "follow the laws" the laws are messed up, and that is what needs to change!

    On top of that, the United States Gov has handed out Visas, Tax numbers, and free passes for so long, and you blame the immigrants for biting the fish line? Common, hold the government to blame first, then the rest will work itself out!

  • Artemisia Tridentata Hawthorne, NV
    Feb. 20, 2012 1:05 p.m.

    This is just one of many extreme positions Romney has taken to cater to the "know nothing" wing of the party. This "bottom feeding" should be offensive to all members of the Church and hopefully will keep him from being taken seriously by the rest of the country, should he manage to be nominated this year.

  • crunch Bluffdale, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 1:03 p.m.

    From the Romney Website: "Mitt Romney will protect legal immigration and the 4.5 million who are waiting in line to enter the United States legally by taking a strong stand against illegal immigration. He believes that illegal immigration must end and has a proven track record of advancing that goal."

    I see that his stance aligns with what most American Citizens would agree is reasonable. Fix immigration, stop illegal immigration.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Feb. 20, 2012 12:59 p.m.

    How much does it cost to become a legal immigrant, and/or citizen? What is required? What are the fees for the applications, document fees, vaccination/physical fees? Do people need legal representation? How long does the process take? Months? Years? I've yet to see a comprehensive article about the process of immigration.

    We do need a system for temporary agricultural workers, unless we want to import all our food. Employers complain the current system doesn't work.

    We need comprehensive reform, but given the broken state of our govt, nothing is going to change. We need to elect people who are willing to work across the aisle, not idealogues who see compromise as immoral.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 12:38 p.m.

    The President is not elected to represent eagle forum conservatives?

  • GoodGuyGary Houston, TX
    Feb. 20, 2012 12:32 p.m.

    Romney supports immigration, only if it is legally done.

    I support Romney and I am an immigrant myself, and I did it totally legally.

    Go Mitt!

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 12:29 p.m.

    This article is an excellent example of what can go wrong with religeon--you can pervert religeous messages to support your own political viewpoint. But this is so en vogue right now, especially in the Middle East, so it may as well happen here.

    The anti-Romney Latinos are missing a critical point here, though. Mitt Romney is not anti-immigration. He opposes illegal immigration and he opposes amnesty. Maybe that is why God brought Romney to our land?

  • Samwise Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 12:27 p.m.

    From Mitt Romney's campaigm web site:

    "Mitt Romney believes that legal immigration is a boon to America. He will strengthen our immigration system so that it benefits the U.S. economy, ensures our security, bolsters the rule of law, and carries on Americaâs tradition as a nation of legal immigrants."

    The key word is "legal". Mitt is all for legal immigrants. He is against illegal immigration. I am all for legal immigration as well, my fiance is a legal immigrant and she is awesome. I know many awesome legal immigrants. Somehow these Spanish speaking LDS members (and the author of this article) seem to not be able to distinguish between legal and illegal immigration.

  • EL TAB Orem, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 12:19 p.m.

    I can appreciate the 11 million plus illegal immigrants wanting to come here to make better lives for them and their families. I can sympathize with that. However, we cannot absorb all those that want to do that...just not possible. I canot help but wonder what would happen if all thos well-intentioned folks stayed in their home countries, and united their efforts in making their home countries the "better place to raise their families". That's kind of how this country got started, isn't it?

  • across the sea Topeno, Finland
    Feb. 20, 2012 12:15 p.m.

    Hmm! "god brought them?" YES! For Lehi that was YES, but who else... Most are not comi g illegally because they cannot practise their faith in their home countries.
    Anyone saying that discredits the message we hear from the Church to STAY HOME AND STRENGHTEN ZION THERE.

    Have the illegals ever wondered how difficult they had made it to all the others who legally would want to go to the US, but cannot because they have toughened the rules for the others...

    The basis of our religion is to onor the laws of the land!

    BUT the sad thing is that the closed border policy and every other policy is not working, but seperating families. A good guest worker system would allow people a chance to go home... Not everybody who comes wants to stay - actually most would return if given the opportunity.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 11:56 a.m.

    Just another voting block that will not be supporting Mitt Romney.

  • mecr Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 11:55 a.m.

    "I don't believe in rounding up 11 million people and forcing them at gunpoint from our country." He would like to see illegal immigrants register with the government, pay taxes, and apply for citizenship, but that they should not be given any priority or special treatment over immigrants who have applied for citizenship legally"

    That's what I had heard over and over. He added that he believes in register them, some will be deported, some will be put on the road to citizenship. But he does believe in enforcing e-verify and securing the borders.

    And I do believe that's feasible. Obama promised the land to illegals and what happened? the number of deportations increased even with a latina as the head of USCIS.

  • danaslc Kearns, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 11:42 a.m.

    Are these latino's here legally? I guess we don't know that answer. You can be here illegally, go to the Mormon Church and they will of course have a Spanish Speaking ward for you, give you a temple recommend even if you break the articles of faith, make sure you have work and call it good. That has nothing to do with the rest of the nation who are citizens of the United States of America.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 11:33 a.m.

    I personally would not give a temple recommend to anyone that I knew was an illegal immigrant (which is why I'll never be a Bishop). Illegals I have a problem with. Legals I do not have a problem with.

  • BobP Port Alice, B.C.
    Feb. 20, 2012 11:29 a.m.

    I would be poetic justice if all the Mormon Pharisees ranting about immigration lose the election for Romney.

    Hint: Those that crucified Christ were simplu enforcing the "law of the land" as they saw it.

  • l.cee Ridgefield, WA
    Feb. 20, 2012 11:27 a.m.

    It is pretty much a guarantee--bring up immigration and the hate spews forth.

    It would be so refreshing to read more from peoplke who have loving solutions to help latinos who obviously come to the U.S. in hopes of having a better life.

  • pootananga Saratoga Springs, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 11:16 a.m.

    It is sad and most unfortunate that any Latino, let alone LDS Latinos would invoke their race in the illegal immigration criminal activity occurring in this nation. And to do so to the detriment of the very society and rule of law that has fostered not only the opportunity for unequaled liberty and economic security they enjoy, but which fostered the environment which allowed for the unfettered founding, growth and ongoing existence of the LDS faith they purport to adhere to.
    It is utterly dishonest of these Latinos to fight against the rule of law that protects them, preserves their health and liberty, solely to strengthen âLa Razaâ in America. It has all the markings of an occupation rather than mere immigration. And the free, open society they enjoy here is used by them to what can only be viewed as racist ends. They resist the law and anyone who attempts to strengthen and uphold healthy immigration law based SOLELY on race alone! That, must be recognized for what it is. True racism in America.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 11:13 a.m.

    I chuckle that any LDS would continue to ignore the word illegal. That is so convenient for them to continue to ignore the illegal immigrant and lump them together with the legal immigrant. How shameful is there hypocrisy. One of the tenants of our regilion is to honor, obey and sustain the laws of the land. They are the ones who are denying the faith.

  • tabuno Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 10:32 a.m.

    The Deseret News continues to solid reputation for the publication of insightful and comprehensive national and international news reporting that on the whole is better than many larger and nationally-recognized newspapers, including the Washington Post. Unfortunately, The Deseret News local coverage is sorely lacking in depth and breadth. Nevertheless, the anti-Romney article along with the Mormon-Immigration tie is fascinating and a credit to the Newspaper's integrity and publisher.

  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 10:11 a.m.

    "But a lot of us aren't supporting him because of his stance against immigrants."
    ...
    "But Hispanic Mormons may have limited influence in Arizona's upcoming GOP primary and the general election this year. Garcia said that's because most are illegal immigrants and can't vote."

    =====================

    It is interesting to note the only use of the word "illegal" in the two sentences above was in reference to an inability to vote. Yet, it is pivotal in both.

    The only thing that Mitt Romney and, as far as I can tell, all the GOP candidates are "against" is -illegal- immigrants.

    As I've said so many times in the past, if you want to see the level of corruption in the arguments on this topic, one of the best methods is to note who is willing to correctly use the word "illegal".

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 10:09 a.m.

    This was inevitable.

    Mitt Romney has failed to secure any of the voting demographics with exception for pandering to the wealthy.

    ** Mitt Romney: Corporations are people...my friend - By Phillip Elliot - AP - Published by DSNews 08/11/11

    ** Romney: Campaign âNot very concerned about the very poorâ â By Z. Byron Wolf â ABC News â 02/01/12

    ** Study: Romney plan raises taxes on poor familiesâ â By Stephen Ohlemacher â AP â Published by DSNews â 01/05/12

    And, while not DENYING his background, he has been reluctant to note his roots:

    ** Campaigning Mitt Romney seldom notes Mexican roots' - By Andriana Gomez Licon - AP - Published by DSNews - 01/26/11

    "His (Romney) father, George, was born in Mexico and his extended relatives still live in the same community..." â article

    When you IGNORE a key demographic that you factually belong too...

    what else can you expect?

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 20, 2012 10:00 a.m.

    I struggle with this issue also. I think any solution is going to be painful. The Church's concern is that deportation separates families, which is contrary to LDS teaching.

    If you look at it in economic terms, mass deportation would be very expensive, and have a negative impact on the economy. First and foremost we need to secure the border better. Then, I think that providing a VISA with a reasonable pathway to citizenship to allow them to stay in the country is reasonable. Then they can be taxed.There also has to be zero tolerance to those who commit felonies or serious crimes--deportation with first offense.

    Now many will say that this plan isn't fair to those who came to this country legally. That's true but this problem of so many illegals in this country can be blamed in large part on policies of the U.S. Government and its own citizens.

  • Pa. Reader Harrisburg, PA
    Feb. 20, 2012 9:56 a.m.

    Immigration is one of the red meat issues that politicos use to rile up the extreme base because it appeals to the worst instincts in the paranoid extremists on both sides of this issue.

    Ironically, the true believers on the fringes are now driving the Republican primaries, so the candidates are now forced to pander to them, even though those same candidates have histories of not believing their own current rhetoric.

    The truth is the extreme positions now being adopted by Republican hopefuls will likely make the eventual candidate unelectable in a national race.

    Perhaps once both parties suffer losses because of their antics courting their repective lunatic fringes then we can return to a time of honest debate, fair compromise, and true governance.

  • Dog Fur Prather, CA
    Feb. 20, 2012 9:55 a.m.

    As I recall the church is urging members to stay in their own countries and help grow the church there. With Illegal immigrants it seems to be about them "improving" their own lives at the expense of the other countries laws. Does anyone think that breaking the laws of this country are okay as long as they are doing it for themselves. Then if they get caught its; "Don't punish my family for my decision to break the law."

  • smarty pants Herriman, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 9:48 a.m.

    Sadly, many who like to call themselves 'Mormons' have been baptized to hide in the mormon congregations and look for compassion trying to hide the bad decision they made coming here illegally. You need to be responsible for your own actions. You cannot expect to come here knowing you are risking it by being illegal and then pleading to be accepted with all the terms of the law. Don't mix religion with the law. And if you are really true members or followers of Christ, then you need to remember to follow the law of the land you are living now.

  • Allen Salt Lake valley, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 9:28 a.m.

    @eastcoastcoug

    I would guess that in referring to Europe, Romney was referring to the political and economic philosophies of the Europeans rather than to the moral values of the Europeans.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 9:16 a.m.

    801:
    where was the enforcement of rights when mormons were chased out of the country. you might do well understanding mormon history before making an absurd comment like that.

  • EightOhOne St. George, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 9:02 a.m.

    so where was "obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law" between 1862-1890 in utah???

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 8:47 a.m.

    This seems to be another article looking to gain sympathy for the illegals in the country. They do not like the label yet they have knowingly broke the law.

    I have a friend who immigrated legally, spent thousands of dollars and lots of time preparing to come here and live.

    Some are not so fortunate but there are waiting lists of qualified people waiting to come here and they are being ignored and punished for not breaking the law. When that happens the system is broke and needs to be fixed.

    I have yet to see where the inmates locked up or not come up with the best plan.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 8:43 a.m.

    @NeilT How does punishing innocent children for the actions of their parents accomplish anything. As long as the far right views immigrants as a burden on society the divide will continue. A U.S. Citizen who is convicted of a crime and is sentenced to prison, then the same system is punishing that persons children by seperating the family. Your next sentence blurs the diffenece between illegal and legal. As one of the far right Legal is fine, illegal is not. Oh my I must be racist. As far as the children they are in fact a burden on the rest of us including you. And again I wish them (illegal) all gone.

  • uncommonsense CENTERVILLE, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 8:36 a.m.

    I just had a thought. These people who are complaining want illegal immigration to continue. And it seems they want these same illegal immigrants to NOT vote for Romney. Since when can they vote? So basically we have illegals who cannot vote telling others who cannot vote whom to vote for. Won't these folks be voting Democrat anyway when the Dems pick them up and bus them to a voting station?

  • ericNorCal San Jose, CA
    Feb. 20, 2012 8:32 a.m.

    This topic has always bothered me. I am still reading and looking to learn. I read the Book of Moromon this morning 2 Nephi 1. Brought by the hand of God. NOT BY THE GOVERNMENT Gods house is a house of order. If there was NO order at the border our country would become just like any other land in the World. If the rules to become something are harder we become more. I am in thousands of houses a year in San Jose doing work. Money and location don't really change anything. We need to become a better people where ever we live. Location on earth is NOT the final answer. Temples are in more places than just America

  • Cougar Blue N. Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 20, 2012 8:27 a.m.

    Wow, the hispanic community can surely see where they stand with these postings. No wonder they vote mostly Democratic. This old "obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law" is just fine for those who really do it. But, we all know that we all also choose on many occasions which law we want to obey, or not, at the moment. Travel down the highways and take note and then cast your stone.

  • patriotandmore Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 8:16 a.m.

    We live in an age where our country simply needs to know who enters our borders and what their intentions are. Nobody is against legal immigration where people enter to live peaceably and become productive members of society. Immigration laws are intended to ensure that people who enter our country do so. This would include people from any place in the world including those of Latino descent. Some apparently want to toss out our immigration laws and erase the border.

  • realsoothsayer SANDY, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 8:04 a.m.

    Oh, the Hispanics want us to just erase the borders and give them open access to our bank accounts . . . and want to use religion as some kind of justification? Well, then to be totally acceptable and politically correct, I guess we just better go ahead and do it then. After all, we don't want any politicians who actually stand up and represent security, stability, solvency, and sanity. That would be horribly out of fashion, wouldn't it?

  • CP Tooele, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 8:04 a.m.

    I am also a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. And I support Mitt Romney. My husband is from Costa Rica and he came here legally because he didn't want to do anything that would be against the law of this land and he's a very honest person. It took hard work and lots of patience but he is now a citizen of this country. So if you want something bad enough you have to work and not expect a free ride..and to us that is what illegal immigration is..a free ride and dishonesty. So we fully support Mitt Romney and we stand by him on his stand against illegal immigration.

  • windsor City, Ut
    Feb. 20, 2012 8:02 a.m.

    utah by5--"If you find yourself sneaking into a country by going through underground tunnels, swimming across a river or sneaking over a fence, you are probably not immigrating the correct way. These people who break the laws of the land open themselves up to being punished accordingly."

    When I read your comment, I thought of an article I read in the late 80's.

    All you have to do is substitute the words "into a country" with "out of a country" and "immigrating" with "emigrating", and you'd be describing what so many did to escape East Germany before the fall of the Berlin Wall.

    In that case, we cheered for and celebrated the tunnel diggers and swimmers and fence sneakers--bet they were glad the West Germans weren't as interested in punishment.

  • marcamus goochland, va
    Feb. 20, 2012 7:57 a.m.

    Serenity puts it best, Obama has deported hundreds of thousands. For those who support illegal immigrants, Obama has been no friend. He deports and yet provides no mechanism for the deported to return. Families are torn apart, businesses suffer, and deported individuals will try to return and then face lifetime bars to immigrating.

    Romney, though he used to espouse legal pathways to those illegally present, represents the best hope for those illegally here. He may force those illegals to self-deport through programs such as e-verify, but he is also smart enough of a business man to realize we need a source of inexpensive labor. He will provide a way for them to get in line and return. It may not be as quick as some illegals want, but it will be quicker than the current law which essentially provides no line. Obama has done nothing to create a way for the deported to return so it is ironic that the illegals are actually supporting him.

    Bush and McCain had great proposals to rework the immigration system and make paths for those illegally present to return home and get in a new line. Mitt would most likely do the same.

    It was interesting though to see Mitt change course so quickly on the Dream Act for those serving in the military. I would like to see the Dream act expanded to those who attend college, but would also put a limitation so that those who benefit from the Dream Act could not sponsor family members.

    I served a mission among the Latinos in Utah. Most are hard-working and good members of society. We need a mechanism to allow those good people to return home and immigrate lawfully in a way that works.

    We need to be careful about hypocrisy. How many times did early church members avoid the law?

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 7:52 a.m.

    First, Romney is NOT opposed to immigrants. He is opposed to ILLEGAL immigrants being allowed to continue to break the law. Second, the Book of Mormon does NOT state that the Lamanites lived in the American southwest. Also, when the BofM states that those who come to this land are brought by God, it doesn't necessarily mean the United States. It could mean North America of which countries south of the border are part. It also could mean all of North and South America.

    I realize these arguments are convenient for these people to use in order for them to invoke the Gospel in supporting their arguments, but they don't really hold water. We are also taught to obey and sustain the law. That is a VERY important gospel principle that these Latin members seem to have conveniently forgotten.

    Look, we're all conflicted about this issue. But, this is NOT a justifiable reason for Members of the LDS Church to oppose Mitt Romney. And...what his grandfather did is completely irrelevant. These people are using their ethnic loyalty to truly ignore LDS teachings. They're just dead wrong.

    Mitt is our one chance to save our country.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 7:52 a.m.

    yeah,
    obama is much better suited for LDS people. no accountability, hand out, religion under attack...yeap he's the guy

  • m.g. scott LAYTON, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 7:45 a.m.

    SSMD made a very important point about this "promised land" doctrine. The Church plants deep roots anywhere it builds Temples. There are about 12 in Mexico alone. Plus many more in Central and South America. It is also why the Church has a "Perpetual Education Fund." The Church wants good strong LDS to help build up their homelands, not to gather at one location. At least not yet.

    Hopefully if this issue is gaining momentum in part of the LDS Church, the General Authorities will address it at General Conference. The Church had better nip this in the bud before it gets out of hand, because it could become very devisive if there is much disagreement on the doctrine.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 7:44 a.m.

    The critics of illegal immigration will never discuss the real issues which are poverty, violence, and government corruption which are the driving force behind illegal immigration. I don't support illegal immigration. I also don't support the harsh rhetoric coming from the far right. How does punishing innocent children for the actions of their parents accomplish anything. As long as the far right views immigrants as a burden on society the divide will continue. Listen to the rhetoric. Harsh laws are not the solution. Illegal immigrants are human beings no matter what their immigration status. Stop demonizing people for being poor and wanting to come to a country that offers a better life.

  • utah by5 York, PA
    Feb. 20, 2012 7:37 a.m.

    If you find yourself sneaking into a country by going through underground tunnels, swimming across a river or sneaking over a fence, you are probably not immigrating the correct way. These people who break the laws of the land open themselves up to being punished accordingly.

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    Feb. 20, 2012 7:24 a.m.

    From the article: "According to the Book of Mormon, the Lamanites lived in the present-day American Southwest, traveled south and face years of hardship, and are prophesized to eventually return to the Promised Land."

    Wow - I guess I missed the part where the LDS church began to recognize a specific geographic theory with regards to the Book of Mormon. The sad thing is that this information is not identified as coming from Ignacio Garcia, but rather stated as a fact. This clearly demonstrates journalistic overreach on the part of Russell Contreras.

    C'mon Russell. Readers of the Deseret News deserve better.

  • BoomerJeff Saint George, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 7:14 a.m.

    It's dishonest to enter a country illegally. It's dishonest to overstay your visa. It's dishonest to steal a social security number to get a job. It's dishonest to work at a job you are not entitled to. So I guess it's ok for Latino Mormon's to be dishonest, right?? Wow, how the primary lesson's have changed since I was a kid.

  • fed up Provo, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 7:10 a.m.

    The outrageous expectations that illegals are entitled to sneak in and stay here is starting to erode the good feelings that I have had toward everyone. I was raised with phillipino, mexican, irish, english, scottish and german cousins. We always got along well. I have family who are black, muslim, plus all of the above. How is it that immigrants sneaking into Mexico from the south are treated so harshly??? Stop pretending that you speak for the LDS church. The only thing I heard was that we should treat others with compassion. Illegal will never be anything but illegal. If we need latino workers, let us deport all of those here illegally and bring in those who have been waiting patiently to come in.

  • Serenity Manti, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 6:49 a.m.

    Now, is Mitt Romney against immigrants or illegal aliens? People who come to this country illegally are breaking the law of the United States. The Church consistently is preaching to obey the laws of the land. So the Latinos don't want Mitt Romney as president because he supports the laws of the land? Do they expect him to say that he supports people who are breaking the law?

    What happened in Book of Mormon times was a long time ago. The laws then were different from what they are today. The analogy that the people in the Book of Mormon came to the Promised Land and the illegal aliens of today are equal is illogical. The situation is completely different.

    Latinos should realize that the Obama administration has deported hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens and their only hope just might be Romney. Not because he supports illegal aliens but rather because he is smart enough to fix the situation in a fair and equitable manner.

    Pablo Felix is telling his congregation whom to vote for? That is strictly against Church policy of neutrality. Just who is a Democratic moderate candidate?

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Feb. 20, 2012 6:39 a.m.

    I cringe when I read that many of these members are in the US illegally. What happened to the principle of "obeying the laws of the land"?

    At the same time, I feel these people have the same right to question Romney's adherence to his beliefs that those on the opposite side have who feel that just because Romney is LDS and conservative, he's the right man for the job. We need to look more closely at his proposed policies (kind of complicated to do since they're not clear) and judge whether or not he would really be able to govern effectively for all of us since he has tried so hard to pander to the Far Right.

    I would also call out that Mitt has offended many European members of the LDS church including one Stake President who asked me the other day "What does Mitt have against us in Europe?" after hearing him lambast Obama for trying to make the US more like Europe. This man pointed out that there are many good people there who are trying to understand Mitt's point and that they (in his country) still have an AAA rating. We need to be careful in this internet age about what we say since our messages go way beyond our borders.

  • uncommonsense CENTERVILLE, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 6:39 a.m.

    I've listened to Romney speak about immigration. He is not opposed to immigration as long as it's done legally. It's the folks that sneak in that ruffle his and mot American's feathers. I have the idea that these people are confused between the two.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    Feb. 20, 2012 6:38 a.m.

    I love how the word ILLEGAL is always dropped from the discussion of this issue. It is so manipulative and dishonest. Romney is not against immigration. I don't know anybody who is. Certainly, none of the candidates for president are against immigration. It is ILLEGAL immigration that is the problem. People who come here need to follow the law. There is nothing in LDS teachings that supports the breaking of our laws.

  • SSMD Silver Spring, MD
    Feb. 20, 2012 6:26 a.m.

    Antonella Packard says Romney is "against immigrants." That is a misrepresentation, confusing "immigrants" with "illegal immigrants," a common disingenuous tactic used by too many people to divert the debate from the issue of legality.

    Professor Garcia said,""The book says no one comes to the Land unless they are brought by God." That is true, but he seems to forget that the Book of Mormon designation of the promised land refers to all of the land of the American continents, not just the land inside the current borders of the United States. A Mexican crossing the border into the United States is simply moving from one part of the promised land to another, not from somewhere else into the promised land.

  • Gr8Dane Tremonton, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 5:57 a.m.

    What part of "We Believe in Honoring and Sustaining the Law" article of Faith do these people (I guess they're still LDS members, I wasn't clear from the story?) wish to ignore? As active LDS myself, I'm highly irritated by their blatantly biased political theories.

    It's the age-old story. Cafeteria-style religion. Pick and choose which teachings to follow...based on personal preferences or cultural issues.

    The immigration laws are the Immigration laws, period, and should be enforced. If these people don't like the law, then they should work within the process to change the law. And if they don't get their way, then they need to "deal with it" like adults.

  • tyndale1 Pullman, WA
    Feb. 20, 2012 5:32 a.m.

    I am sorry for these Latinos, but speaking out against Romney is not the answer. If you have a candidate that supports all of your needs as an illegal, then you should vote for them, I guess. At least you are free to do so. But unless you have a viable alternative... Im just saying, you can't have all that we stand for without paying the price.

  • Paul H West Valley, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 5:30 a.m.

    "The book says no one comes to the Land unless they are brought by God."

    Give us a break! You can twist words to mean anything you want them to mean.
    Who brought the 911 terrorists here???

    I'm disappointed to read that my church hires people to transport missionaries who can't fly because they are in the country illegally. :-(

  • slpa1 West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 4:07 a.m.

    I noticed while reading the article that the Latino spokespersons used the terms "immigration" and "illegal immigration" interchangeably, as if there were no difference. They coattail the terms together and then apply a religious objection to Romney's policy position.

    Without suggesting I support Romney, I offer that what these folks are doing is fundamentally unfair to Romney. They also mistakenly justify turning a deaf ear and blind eye to the fact that their congregations are made up of significant numbers of illegals by misapplying scripture in an attempt to make it "righteous."

    What happened to "honoring, obeying, and sustaining" the law? You can't violate a basic tenet of the Church, while claiming a righteous basis for doing so.

  • Jeff29 Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2012 1:50 a.m.

    This is an issue that I struggle with quite a bit. On one hand, I can certainly understand the position of those who oppose Romney's stance on immigration based on Mormon, and, in general, Christian teachings. On the other hand, how do you reconcile this with one of the tenants of Mormonism: "obeying, honoring ans sustaining the law"? I'm not trying to pick a fight with anyone, but genuinely want to understand. It seems that by offering amnesty, we are rewarding those who have broken the law. I will be the first to admit that current immigration laws are horrible and make it very difficult for honest, hard-working people to immigrate to America, but I'm not convinced that full amnesty is the answer. Quite honestly, I believe that this issue has been so politicized that logic, reason and finding a true solution have given way to whatever position will win the next election (on both sides).

  • RantBully Bend, OR
    Feb. 20, 2012 1:47 a.m.

    "We view immigration as a God event" - God also told you to honor, obey, and sustain the laws of the land.