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Published: Sunday, Feb. 19 2012 11:00 p.m. MST

Updated: Wednesday, Dec. 10 2014 1:30 p.m. MST

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atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

Of course, most of you citing single parenthood as part of the cause for it are simultaneously opposing the expansion of contraception access that is statistically proven to reduce pregnancy rates in nations where it's more easily accessible.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@DN Subscriber
"Praise of single-parenthood, instead of its condemnation. "

Fine, we'll tell the pregnant single mother to get an abortion then... did you forget those single mothers chose life? Oh right, right tht's it... you also want them to give up their kid too. So many demands...

"The insane urge to make little boys play with dolls instead of toy guns, and never do anything the least bit dangerous"

I played with dolls. Or more specifically I was a nice brother who was willing to play dolls with his younger sister when we were younger so she'd have someone to play with. Ah but you don't have to worry... my toyset was "masculine" enough though it lacked any weaponry beyond one nerf gun and a squirt gun. Maybe that's not "manly" enough for you, but you know what I find? The toys my sister and I played with when we're 10 or 20 (we both love the Final Fantasy game series, or is that not "feminine" enough to you?) don't have an impact on whether or not we're decent people and besides, the two of us combined had a 3.95 out of 4.0 high school GPA.

Miskky
salt lake city, utah

"What is 'attacking' boys?"

Well, if one pays close attention to the commercials on tv about 90% demean males in some form or another. That is the war..!!

Take some time and see in what order commercials make people look bad, stupid and incompetent. White Males first, other males next, minority females and last and least white females.

You think tv commercials don't affect our society? What is so much money spent on commercials. You think tv doesn't have an effect on society? We have been deluded for decades with bogus studies telling us that tv is not detrimental.

I think women and our entire society demean males in general and white males in particular. How can boys not be affected by that kind of barrage..!

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'The elephant in the room is that children need parents of both genders to be involved in a positive way in their lives.' - Kathy. - 4:25 p.m. Feb. 18, 2012

I understand why you are saying this. And I don't want to stop you. But all the information shows...

a child needs TWO parents. The gender of those parents, affects nothing.

As exampled by:

'In most ways, the accumulated research shows, children of same-sex parents are not markedly different from those of heterosexual parents.'

'Coparent or Second-Parent Adoption by Same-Sex Parents' - POLICY STATEMENT - PEDIATRICS Vol. 109 No. 2 February 2002, pp. 339-340 - Pulished: 02/01/10

- AMERICAN ACADEMY OF PEDIATRICS (AAP)

So, if boys are falling behind in school, what can we do to combat it?

1st give boys a stable home. Regardless of the gender of the parents, (Or adopted parents, grandparents, etc) a child needs stability.

2nd, perhaps parents need to show a bit more concern. Contact the teachers, Parent/teacher night. Etc.

3rd, for me. The television became the 'baby sitter'. What was ON the television wasn't important. The important thing was that the kids were sitting still.

Today, kids have computers. They don't need to wait for their 'favorite show' with Netflix. They can be entertained x24/7/365.

Parents need to shut down distractions and HELP a child with homework. Every night.

While I don't advocate SHOOTING a childs computer. A parent taking the time to show they care, can change a childs life.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

Al those comments about the politics and nothing about what the church has done in response to feminism. When you change up the doctrine of the patriarchal priesthood to the point where you soft-pedal the ordinances and covenants to appear kinder and gentler, what do you think is going to happen.
The Brethren know this, giving talks to the young men to go beyond hanging out and start acting like men.
The church is NOT the antidote here; it's part of the problem.

NeilT
Clearfield, UT

Some good comments. My favorite elementary teacher was my 5th grade teacher, Mr. Krusi. Most men can not afford to support a family on a teachers salary. Reality is divorce, and culture are contributing factors. Same sex schools is an idea that time has has come. It is a proven fact girls do better in same sex schools, especially high school. I wonder if the same would be true for males.

Springvillepoet
Springville, UT

There is so much discussion about the single parent household. Unfortunately, if it is true a single parent household affects the academic abilities of boys, it must also be true it affects the academic abilities of young girls, too, effectively canceling the possibility of the statistical difference in achievement laid out by the article.

What? Are young boys so fragile to be the only ones adversely affected by single parent environments? I did not read one example in the comments here upon the negative impact on girls raised in a single parent home. And for those who insist on a two parent home as the cure-all, then look at the very real evidence which proves a same-sex couple in a committed relationship provides as stable an environment as does a heterosexual couple in a committed relationship.

Perhaps the problem rests in the way we perceive the different genders, but not in the home. As a teacher I know there is a pendulum, and though I do not agree it is any kind of liberal conspiracy, the education community always rides this pendulum to extremes. This approach, that approach, this curriculum, that assessment.

However, it appears to a lot of people, boys are simply too weak and fall victim to the single parent home.

Aggielove
Cache county, USA

These boys just need to man up. And so do the parents. Get rid of the xbox as well.

JBQ
Saint Louis, MO

This excellent article only reinforces the fact that our society is deteriorating in direct proportion to the decline of religion into a Godless socilaist environment. Other comments laugh at this reasoning. The family is the cornerstone of society. Attempts to replace it with "gay marriage" is only one more "nail in the coffin". Women have always been the heroic "spear carrier" for the family and children. Now, they don't want that anymore and there are feminist groups which are exploiting the innate maturity traits of women to create a wedge against the family. The "contraception mandate" is only one sign of this tremendous struggle for control of the psyche of America and to make those of religion into second class citizens.

Utah Teacher
Orem, UT

To those saying no one is attacking boys, I offer this bit of evidence.

I teach at a local school. About three or four times a year I get fliers to hand out from two local universities. Both of them are offering programs in science for girls only. They have a special program and money set aside to educate girls in science. No boys allowed.

Is it any wonder the boys are dropping?

no fit in SG
St.George, Utah

Is this the competing piece to women's health issues and the women's rights resurgence of late?
Both men and women, young and old, are facing untold obstacles that are being thrown at them on an hourly basis.
This is what our society has become, and unfortunately the solution to it all, is nowhere to be found.

Mick
Murray, Utah

Pagan- a few questions.

Are you a parent?

Why is it that the studies you find are correct and all others that show something differently are incorrect? You keep repeating the same ONE article by the AAP but I can find hundreds of others that say the best way to raise children is in a home with a mother and father. You also point out Bristol Palin as one example. I can find you many more examples of exceptional parents having children that make mistakes. No one is perfect.

If a lesbian couple adopts a son, who teaches that son how to be a father? Two women?

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@JBQ

"This excellent article only reinforces the fact that our society is deteriorating in direct proportion to the decline of religion into a Godless socilaist environment. Other comments laugh at this reasoning."

New Hampshire has the highest rate of atheists, and Mississippi is the most active church attendance state yet Mississippi is just about at the bottom, or is the bottom, for education.

"The "contraception mandate" is only one sign of this tremendous struggle for control of the psyche of America and to make those of religion into second class citizens. "

As someone who has been to church 9 weekends this year so far I'm a lot of things but oppressed isn't one of them. Catholics aren't forced to use birth control... they willingly choose to use it.

@Utah Teacher
I have a degree in a science related field. That field at my old university, my current university (since I'm pursuing a masters now), and overall nationwide, is roughly between 2:1 and 3:1 male. The shortage of men is coming outside of science.

Laura Ann
Layton, UT

@Pagan and some others. Anecdotal evidence is not enough to prove your point. You can always find exceptions to situations. The truth can generally be found in statistics, although they can also be unreliable if the wrong question is asked, but here we have undeniable proof of boys failing in school and also answers as to why this is happening. Tradional families where parents are married and faithful to each other is the main answer to the problems our society is faced with. The proof will be in the pudding, as they say, when this problem cannot be denied, even by those who stick their heads in the ground like an ostrich. (I know ostriches don't really do this.)

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Mick
" I can find hundreds of others that say the best way to raise children is in a home with a mother and father."

I find that most of those studies compare mother and father households to those with one parent and then those who oppose gay adoption extrapolate it to include gay families when really they weren't included in the study and the study was just comparing two parents to one.

"If a lesbian couple adopts a son, who teaches that son how to be a father?"

Is there something special one needs to learn to be a father that a mother can't teach? Be decent, kind, loving to your wife and kids, hardworking... I can't think of any special lessons I got from my dad that my mom couldn't give me... well okay maybe how to change a tire on a car since she doesn't know how to do that (I think...). I'm pretty sure that's not the linchpin of being a good father.

Utah Teacher
Orem, UT

atl,

I completely agree. I was just giving one example. Girls have been under represented in science so a program was set up to equalize things. How many programs do we see set up so boys can get an upper hand? None. Boys keep getting put on the back burner while girls are given every opportunity to succeed. I'm grateful for the programs and efforts but we need to look at both sides of the equation.

Mick
Murray, Utah

atl-

Yes. There is a difference in gender and example makes all the difference. Are you telling me that women act like men?

It is not all about love and kindness. I grew up with a mother and father and learned very different things from both.

Good fathers teach boys how to be good fathers by example.

A1994
Centerville, UT

"His mother doesn't understand his struggle. She thinks he needs something that he's not getting, but what?"

What does his Dad think? Just a hunch, this might be a HUGE part of the problem for boys everywhere.

Capella
Bakersfield, CA

Of course fathers and mothers make a difference in the life of children. Always have, always will.

What Utahans have to ask themselves is why Utah continues to lead our nation in teen suicides for the past 23 years?

USAlover
Salt Lake City, UT

So, the same White House that wants us to see the importance of both Mom and Dad is now the same White House that proposes gay marriage?

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