When the President gets reelected will the craziness continue?
"To tell the truth is not merely to state the facts, but to leave a true
impression." RL Stevenson. This Golden Rule of ethics is broken thousands
of times weekly on both sides of the aisle. The truth is both sides are filled
with good people fighting for what they believe. Unfortunately they, and those
who support them, are so sure they are right they'll share any "truth"
to forward their cause -- overstate, understate, exaggerate -- and accuse others
who do the same of lying.
Welcome to Utah and its one party rule. Only in this pretty great red state
could you put in a senator like Mike Lee. He would be laughed out of office
anywhere else in the nation. Like Rick Santorum was in Pennslyvania. Only in
this state do you get the laughable legislation every year from our so called
L White | 4:54 p.m. Feb. 18, 2012 Springville, UT Why should
President Obama or any other President be allowed to lie to us?============= You mean like - Iraq is hiding weapons of mass
destruction, and we invade a non-agressive nation, occupy them for nearly
10 years, and cost the American Tax payers $1.6 Trillion with No intent to
ever pay for it?Ya - and YOU voted for him....TWICE!
Though I agree that we should be civil and respectful, I take exception to
calling holders of elected office "leaders." They are our
representatives - the essential elements of a constitutional republic.Should they ever be disrespectful to me, or fail to represent my interests,
then I can respectfully vote for someone else.The trouble starts
when our elected representatives forget this, as most incumbents have.
It is said respect is earned. This is only partially true. Respect in large part
ought to be given, until a person proves they don't deserve it. This includes
being kind to another person, not as a front, but because we believe that as a
fellow (human) being they deserve it.This includes our leaders.
There is a prevailing attitude that because a person holds elective office, it
is okay to show disrespect to that person. This is wrong.
'Why should President Obama or any other President be allowed to lie to us?' - L
White 4:54 p.m. Feb. 18, 2012 Your claims of 'truth' ring
empty... "The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces
chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons.' - George W.
Bush - Ohio Speech 10/7/2002 ...when George W. Bush couldn't find
the WMD's in Iraq. *'US gives up search for Iraq WMD' - BBC News -
01/12/05 *'George W Bush says Iraq intelligence failure is his
biggest regret' - By Alex Spillius - 12/01/08 - The UK telegraph
What 'lies' has Obama said... that cost over 4,000 American
lives? *'U.S. Military deaths in Iraq war at 4,485 - AP - Published
by the DSNews - 12/20/2011 Don't get me wrong, I don't think Obama
is a boy scout. But he didn't lead this country into pointless
wars. Lybia? Zero troops. That, earned my
Only one Congressman had the courage to stand for truth. What was wrong with
the the 534time in the House and tbe Senate?
** Congressman Yells 'You Lie' at Obama During Speech' - 09/10/09 - Fox News
I don't see why a Congressman should not tell the truth, even if the President
is standing before the cameras and lying to America. I would tell the truth. I
hope that you would tell the truth. Every Boy Scout and every Girl Scout would
tell the truth. We teach our children to tell the truth. When we talk to our
religious leaders about a recommend, we tell the truth. Why should President
Obama or any other President be allowed to lie to us?I do not think
that there are two standards in America. I do not think that we are required to
tell the truth when we take an oath but that the President does not have to tell
the truth when he has taken an oath.The lying that has gone on is
shameful. Nobody deserves respect unless he or she can at least tell the truth.
Hooray and 3 cheers for finding a republican who still has a brain.
re: JI,Should a Congressman sit still when the President of the
United States tells lies in his State of the Union Message? Does courtesy
require that we shut up when the President lies on national television? Is a
Congressman NOT responsible to defend this country when the President tells the
nation gross lies?Just what is the DUTY of a Congressman if it is
NOT to stand up for the Constituion? He should expect the President to tell the
truth, but if the Presidnet choses to NOT tell the truth, is he obligated, by
common courtesy, to keep his mouth shut?If we see a crime being
committed in our neighborhoods, are we obligated, by common courtesty, if we
like the person who is committing the crime, to NOT call the police and report a
crime in progress? Anyone who closes his eyes to graft, to
nonfeasance, and to lying by any public official is not doing his duty as a
citizen to protect and defend the Constitution.The Constitution is
OUR document. We require those who lead us to obey it - strictly. If we fail
in our duty, you can bet that they will take advantage.
Disagree if you will. Express your points if you must. Civility has never been
so absent. When you have public officials openly shaking a finger in the face of
POTUS or a congressman heckling during a speech then what could demonstrate this
more? The reality that this is deeper than political disagreements. There is
alot of money involved. The right has pointed out many times that Obama has just
as many flaws as GVW but yet we never publicly demonstrated so many invented
issues. We are revisiting issues that were long past settled and lashing out
with childish accusations, for what? Is it because they have nothing to offer as
a solution to the problems they caused or endorsed previously? Even in this
forum so called observers accuse the President of lies without offering any
argument and then ignore the lack of character in their own candidate only
because they share the same religion. You are not electing a Pope you are
electing a President. The USA is not a corporation or church. It is a country
that governs 300 million different people that should all have a voice. How good
is your voice if you have nothing to add to the conversation?
@T PartySo, we can agree we are bothered by the cronyism in
Washington. So what are Republicans willing to do about it? It seems to me
they cheered the Supreme Court's decision, Citizens United. Since 2006,
Democrats tried to introduce and pass legislation banning insider trading for
Congress members, but Republicans were opposed. Republicans filibustered the
Disclose Act, which would impose new reporting requirements on independent
political advertisements and electioneering communications broadcast in the run
up to Election Day. Corporations, unions, trade associations, so-called 527
groups and 501(c)(4), (c)(5) and (c)(6) advocacy organizations that produce such
ads would be required to disclose more information about their donors. There is a revolving door between Congress and lobbyists, govt. and
regulators. Will Republicand join with Democrats to change things?
Christopher: I halfway agree with you, but I think you're going way too far.
Yes, we need to show much greater civility toward our leaders and candidates,
but you seem to be implying that we shouldn't carefully study their views, and
their intentions, and what they've done. You're implying that we
need to "get past" Pres. Obama's health care plan, when in truth it's
one of the greatest assaults on our economy and our liberty in the history of
this country. It must be defeated. No, we don't need personal attacks, but we
do need millions of people who are willing to take action and speak out
passionately and NON-CALMLY against the attempted tyranny of this presidency.
Respect has to be earned. We should expect that those who rise to the top have
integrity and are honest. We should expect the President, each member of
Congress, and each Judge to perform his duties according to the limits placed on
him by the people and to defend the Constitution, even if it means that he would
lose his office.That is not the case.When the ACTIONS of
the President, or of members of Congress, or of judges are cited, those who LIKE
those people are quick to defend them, instead of comparing the actions against
the Constitution.For example, Mr. Obama seized assets of G.M. and
Chrysler and redistributed those assests to union members and to foreign
countries in direct defiance of the 5th Amendment which requires due
compensation. He signed into law legislation that allows him or other members of
the government to hold anyone without giving them access to council or ever
bringing them to trial. The 4th, 4th, and 7th Amendments prohibit him from
doing that.Where is the outrage for his ACTIONS? He abused his
office.NO American can excuse abuse of power. It is our DUTY to
stop those ACTIONS.
BYU Alum: I can't help but responding to your comment. I once had respect for
Romney's integrity until I saw his campaign purposely misrepresent the
President's views by attributing remarks originally made by John McCain out of
context. To my knowledge neither Romney nor his campaign ever apologized for
that blatant political lie.Your obvious hatred of the president
shows through in most ever post I read. It seems to me you are what the author
was warning about. Please, for your own sake, take a look at politics from a
view point other than that espoused by Fox News and Glen Beck. Do yourself and
us a favor. Be part of the solution, not the problem.
Anybody who's still playing the "blame game" - GWB did it, or BHO did
it - just doesn't see how much mileage the parties get by purposely blurring of
the line between them. When it comes to matters of party they are
one and the same - do whatever is necessary to get through the next election
cycle to get re-elected. This recent legislation to give a "tax
holiday" on Social Security taxes for a year is a classic example. In light of what we are facing as a nation in debt and deficits, can
anyone accept that move as anything but a bi-partisan display of
self-preservation?What is lacking are Constitution-based principled
stands on what is best for America. When I see evidence of that, I offer respect
for those who take them.
So long and AM radio and FoxNews broadcasts and brainwashes the lemmings that
Pres. Obama is the Anti-Christ incarnate [or Democrats, or Libertarians, or
Green Party or anyone else not JUST LIKE them], we will continue to see the
politics of personal destruction.Don't believe me?Look how
they turn and canabalize their OWN.I can't even attend church
without running into it.
@MidvaleanIn today's news, the co-chairman of the Democratic
National Convention got $230 million in stimulus money for his green energy
company. Is that the kind of cronyism you were talking about?With
great respect, I propose that we vote Obama out.
Christopher, Thanks for a well written piece. I, too, think Mitt
Romney is a good, moral leader along with lots of other great qualities to be
President of the United States. The current president has done nothing but
deceive the American people from the get go. And, he will continue to do so into
this election. Amazing with conditions economically in this country that anyone
even listens to him anymore. Go Mitt Romney 2012!
"on that same note it would be nice for our leaders to show respect to us
too. passing legislation that lines their pockets would be an example of
disrespect."I completely agree.Unsustainable tax
cuts, oaths to never raise tax cuts, proposals in Florida (never before or after
have we heard this proposal, interesting...)to build moon bases, Medicare part
D, attacking Obamacare when it was proposed by repubs in the 90s, deregulation
of wall street, unsustainable tax subsidies to big oil, pipelines that provide
low income and temporary jobs at the expense of our farmland, guaranteeing lower
gas prices when the oil will merely be sold at the global market, student
vouchers (against the wishes of Utah's voice) bringing N-waste to Utah against
the wishes of the majority of Utahns.... So I would agree! We need
leaders who will listen to their constituents. Not those who only listen to
those who contribute (the most) financially to their campaigns. We need fewer
promises to try and get elected and more serious (well thought out) plans that
on that same note it would be nice for our leaders to show respect to us too.
passing legislation that lines their pockets would be an example of disrespect.
There are leaders, and then, their are RINO leaders.Romney talks a
good talk, but how good is it?. In Washington, perhaps the most enduring legacy
of the giant highway project is the perception that Massachusetts landed one of
the biggest government handouts ever. When Governor Mitt Romney vowed last month
to ask for federal money to help with the state's $20 million Big Dig safety
review, the statement drew a harsh and swift response from lawmakers who are
tired of sending Massachusetts money for a project that state officials seem to
have failed to oversee properly. Members of Congress remember the Big Dig as
the granddaddy of pork it's by far the nation's most expensive public works
project, and the federal government has paid three-fifths of the costs. It's
emblematic of a time long ago when Massachusetts possessed outsized political
muscle in Washington, said Keith Ashdown, vice president for policy at Taxpayers
for Common Sense. In seeking to resuscitate the state's reputation in
Washington, Romney faces a political test. Can a governor who has touted his
lobbying prowess among his fellow Republicans deliver for his state? Could he
foresee more federal money going to the Big Dig?
Partisan people have a NEED to not only disagree with people based on politics
and policy.They must attack them on a personal level. They must
turn them into demons. People want to talk about the morality of Romney.
And I agree. I think he is a solid, moral person. I think the same of Bush.
And Santorum.But are these people any more moral than Obama?
Why?How can this country succeed when half of our leaders want the
other half to fail?(and half of the voters also)