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Published: Saturday, Feb. 18 2012 12:00 a.m. MST

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JoeBlow
Miami Area, Fl

Partisan people have a NEED to not only disagree with people based on politics and policy.

They must attack them on a personal level. They must turn them into demons.
People want to talk about the morality of Romney. And I agree. I think he is a solid, moral person. I think the same of Bush. And Santorum.

But are these people any more moral than Obama? Why?

How can this country succeed when half of our leaders want the other half to fail?
(and half of the voters also)

Brother Chuck Schroeder
A Tropical Paradise USA, FL

There are leaders, and then, their are RINO leaders.

Romney talks a good talk, but how good is it?. In Washington, perhaps the most enduring legacy of the giant highway project is the perception that Massachusetts landed one of the biggest government handouts ever. When Governor Mitt Romney vowed last month to ask for federal money to help with the state's $20 million Big Dig safety review, the statement drew a harsh and swift response from lawmakers who are tired of sending Massachusetts money for a project that state officials seem to have failed to oversee properly. Members of Congress remember the Big Dig as the granddaddy of pork it's by far the nation's most expensive public works project, and the federal government has paid three-fifths of the costs. It's emblematic of a time long ago when Massachusetts possessed outsized political muscle in Washington, said Keith Ashdown, vice president for policy at Taxpayers for Common Sense. In seeking to resuscitate the state's reputation in Washington, Romney faces a political test. Can a governor who has touted his lobbying prowess among his fellow Republicans deliver for his state? Could he foresee more federal money going to the Big Dig?

Midvaliean
MIDVALE, UT

on that same note it would be nice for our leaders to show respect to us too. passing legislation that lines their pockets would be an example of disrespect.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

"on that same note it would be nice for our leaders to show respect to us too. passing legislation that lines their pockets would be an example of disrespect."

I completely agree.

Unsustainable tax cuts, oaths to never raise tax cuts, proposals in Florida (never before or after have we heard this proposal, interesting...)to build moon bases, Medicare part D, attacking Obamacare when it was proposed by repubs in the 90s, deregulation of wall street, unsustainable tax subsidies to big oil, pipelines that provide low income and temporary jobs at the expense of our farmland, guaranteeing lower gas prices when the oil will merely be sold at the global market, student vouchers (against the wishes of Utah's voice) bringing N-waste to Utah against the wishes of the majority of Utahns....

So I would agree! We need leaders who will listen to their constituents. Not those who only listen to those who contribute (the most) financially to their campaigns. We need fewer promises to try and get elected and more serious (well thought out) plans that benefit AMERICA.

BYUalum
South Jordan, UT

Christopher,

Thanks for a well written piece. I, too, think Mitt Romney is a good, moral leader along with lots of other great qualities to be President of the United States. The current president has done nothing but deceive the American people from the get go. And, he will continue to do so into this election. Amazing with conditions economically in this country that anyone even listens to him anymore.

Go Mitt Romney 2012!

T. Party
Pleasant Grove, UT

@Midvalean

In today's news, the co-chairman of the Democratic National Convention got $230 million in stimulus money for his green energy company. Is that the kind of cronyism you were talking about?

With great respect, I propose that we vote Obama out.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

So long and AM radio and FoxNews broadcasts and brainwashes the lemmings that Pres. Obama is the Anti-Christ incarnate [or Democrats, or Libertarians, or Green Party or anyone else not JUST LIKE them], we will continue to see the politics of personal destruction.

Don't believe me?
Look how they turn and canabalize their OWN.

I can't even attend church without running into it.

goatesnotes
Kamas, UT

Anybody who's still playing the "blame game" - GWB did it, or BHO did it - just doesn't see how much mileage the parties get by purposely blurring of the line between them.

When it comes to matters of party they are one and the same - do whatever is necessary to get through the next election cycle to get re-elected.

This recent legislation to give a "tax holiday" on Social Security taxes for a year is a classic example.

In light of what we are facing as a nation in debt and deficits, can anyone accept that move as anything but a bi-partisan display of self-preservation?

What is lacking are Constitution-based principled stands on what is best for America. When I see evidence of that, I offer respect for those who take them.

Mike in Texas
Cedar City, Utah

BYU Alum: I can't help but responding to your comment. I once had respect for Romney's integrity until I saw his campaign purposely misrepresent the President's views by attributing remarks originally made by John McCain out of context. To my knowledge neither Romney nor his campaign ever apologized for that blatant political lie.

Your obvious hatred of the president shows through in most ever post I read. It seems to me you are what the author was warning about. Please, for your own sake, take a look at politics from a view point other than that espoused by Fox News and Glen Beck. Do yourself and us a favor. Be part of the solution, not the problem.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Respect has to be earned. We should expect that those who rise to the top have integrity and are honest. We should expect the President, each member of Congress, and each Judge to perform his duties according to the limits placed on him by the people and to defend the Constitution, even if it means that he would lose his office.

That is not the case.

When the ACTIONS of the President, or of members of Congress, or of judges are cited, those who LIKE those people are quick to defend them, instead of comparing the actions against the Constitution.

For example, Mr. Obama seized assets of G.M. and Chrysler and redistributed those assests to union members and to foreign countries in direct defiance of the 5th Amendment which requires due compensation. He signed into law legislation that allows him or other members of the government to hold anyone without giving them access to council or ever bringing them to trial. The 4th, 4th, and 7th Amendments prohibit him from doing that.

Where is the outrage for his ACTIONS? He abused his office.

NO American can excuse abuse of power. It is our DUTY to stop those ACTIONS.

PeanutGallery
Salt Lake City, UT

Christopher: I halfway agree with you, but I think you're going way too far. Yes, we need to show much greater civility toward our leaders and candidates, but you seem to be implying that we shouldn't carefully study their views, and their intentions, and what they've done.

You're implying that we need to "get past" Pres. Obama's health care plan, when in truth it's one of the greatest assaults on our economy and our liberty in the history of this country. It must be defeated. No, we don't need personal attacks, but we do need millions of people who are willing to take action and speak out passionately and NON-CALMLY against the attempted tyranny of this presidency.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

@T Party

So, we can agree we are bothered by the cronyism in Washington. So what are Republicans willing to do about it? It seems to me they cheered the Supreme Court's decision, Citizens United. Since 2006, Democrats tried to introduce and pass legislation banning insider trading for Congress members, but Republicans were opposed. Republicans filibustered the Disclose Act, which would impose new reporting requirements on independent political advertisements and electioneering communications broadcast in the run up to Election Day. Corporations, unions, trade associations, so-called 527 groups and 501(c)(4), (c)(5) and (c)(6) advocacy organizations that produce such ads would be required to disclose more information about their donors.

There is a revolving door between Congress and lobbyists, govt. and regulators.
Will Republicand join with Democrats to change things?

Jl
Sandy, UT

Disagree if you will. Express your points if you must. Civility has never been so absent. When you have public officials openly shaking a finger in the face of POTUS or a congressman heckling during a speech then what could demonstrate this more? The reality that this is deeper than political disagreements. There is alot of money involved. The right has pointed out many times that Obama has just as many flaws as GVW but yet we never publicly demonstrated so many invented issues. We are revisiting issues that were long past settled and lashing out with childish accusations, for what? Is it because they have nothing to offer as a solution to the problems they caused or endorsed previously? Even in this forum so called observers accuse the President of lies without offering any argument and then ignore the lack of character in their own candidate only because they share the same religion. You are not electing a Pope you are electing a President. The USA is not a corporation or church. It is a country that governs 300 million different people that should all have a voice. How good is your voice if you have nothing to add to the conversation?

J Thompson
SPRINGVILLE, UT

re: JI,

Should a Congressman sit still when the President of the United States tells lies in his State of the Union Message? Does courtesy require that we shut up when the President lies on national television? Is a Congressman NOT responsible to defend this country when the President tells the nation gross lies?

Just what is the DUTY of a Congressman if it is NOT to stand up for the Constituion? He should expect the President to tell the truth, but if the Presidnet choses to NOT tell the truth, is he obligated, by common courtesy, to keep his mouth shut?

If we see a crime being committed in our neighborhoods, are we obligated, by common courtesty, if we like the person who is committing the crime, to NOT call the police and report a crime in progress?

Anyone who closes his eyes to graft, to nonfeasance, and to lying by any public official is not doing his duty as a citizen to protect and defend the Constitution.

The Constitution is OUR document. We require those who lead us to obey it - strictly. If we fail in our duty, you can bet that they will take advantage.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Hooray and 3 cheers for finding a republican who still has a brain.

L White
Springville, UT

I don't see why a Congressman should not tell the truth, even if the President is standing before the cameras and lying to America. I would tell the truth. I hope that you would tell the truth. Every Boy Scout and every Girl Scout would tell the truth. We teach our children to tell the truth. When we talk to our religious leaders about a recommend, we tell the truth. Why should President Obama or any other President be allowed to lie to us?

I do not think that there are two standards in America. I do not think that we are required to tell the truth when we take an oath but that the President does not have to tell the truth when he has taken an oath.

The lying that has gone on is shameful. Nobody deserves respect unless he or she can at least tell the truth.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

** Congressman Yells 'You Lie' at Obama During Speech' - 09/10/09 - Fox News

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Only one Congressman had the courage to stand for truth. What was wrong with the the 534time in the House and tbe Senate?

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'Why should President Obama or any other President be allowed to lie to us?' - L White 4:54 p.m. Feb. 18, 2012

Your claims of 'truth' ring empty...

"The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons.' - George W. Bush - Ohio Speech 10/7/2002

...when George W. Bush couldn't find the WMD's in Iraq.

*'US gives up search for Iraq WMD' - BBC News - 01/12/05

*'George W Bush says Iraq intelligence failure is his biggest regret' - By Alex Spillius - 12/01/08 - The UK telegraph

What 'lies' has Obama said...

that cost over 4,000 American lives?

*'U.S. Military deaths in Iraq war at 4,485 - AP - Published by the DSNews - 12/20/2011

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Obama is a boy scout.

But he didn't lead this country into pointless wars.

Lybia?

Zero troops.

That, earned my respect.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

It is said respect is earned. This is only partially true. Respect in large part ought to be given, until a person proves they don't deserve it. This includes being kind to another person, not as a front, but because we believe that as a fellow (human) being they deserve it.

This includes our leaders. There is a prevailing attitude that because a person holds elective office, it is okay to show disrespect to that person. This is wrong.

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