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Published: Sunday, Feb. 19 2012 12:00 a.m. MST

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t702
Las Vegas, NV

"As the African-American community confronts disproportionately high rates of joblessness, fatherlessness and incarceration, the church continues to offer perhaps the surest path to community, dignity and human flourishing."

It is sad that the churches offer the best the hope for blacks yet they still fail measurably. Every time I see black church on tv, the preacher talks about politics. If they focus more on their religion message and leave their politics at home, I think they will have better success.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

There are many forms of "politics". If a preacher tells us that we should serve only God, some people would claim that he's preaching against the State. If a preacher tells us that marriage is between a man and a woman, some people would claim that he's preaching politics. If a preacher tells us to support brother Smith because brother Smith is loosing his home caused by a developer wanting to build a strip mall on that street, some people would claim that the preacher is involved in politics.

Religion is our foundation. Everything that we do is because of that foundation. The care and love that we show to each other is a result of our religion. Our willingness to help is a result of religion.

Anyone who tells us that Sunday Sermons should be limited to Bible stories is limiting the freedom of religion. Religion has no boundaries. There is nothing that we do or think that is outside the limits of religion - including politics.

Look at Mr. Obama's religious experience in Chicago and then compare his actions to those sermons by Paster Wright.

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

The Black Church also provided something that most people take for granted, and that was a link to the past.

My Mormon friends take an intense interest in their pioneer history. They spend millions of dollars annually to preserve stories, journals, letters, records, artifacts, and other cultural links to their past. Imagine growing up in a world were such things were forbidden.

Slave owners tried to obliterate any sense of shared ancestry from their slaves lest it be used as an organizing principle for revolts. They punished those engaging in African cultural practices or who tried to pass on African traditions to the next generation. Practitioners of Jim Crow laws justified their discrimination by insisting African-Americans came from an degraded background and that they had no history worth remembering. They perpetuated this image in the public schools.

This is why blacks gravitated towards churches such as the African Methodist Episcopal Church (AME). In addition to the reasons mentioned in the article, these churches helped African-Americans to reclaim their past. The preachers emphasized the nobility of the African race, and many of the religious practices of these churches harkened back to West African Traditions.

Understanding the importance of being linked to the past, is a key to understanding the traditions of the black church, and is an effort worth celebrating during Black History Month.

Capella
Bakersfield, CA

Who "fails measurably"- the Black churches or Blacks, Mr. 702 in Vegas?

Get out and visit a live service to get a real view. What do you think the world's perspective on Mormon services are, if all they ever watch is Gen. Conf? Conference talks aren't "animated, lively, charismatic", etc. Would you sit quietly while a comment like yours was leveled at your church?

A little tact would be nice, if that's not too much to ask the censors to be aware of here...

t702
Las Vegas, NV

@ Campella the article stated joblessness, fatherlessness, and incarceration are much higher in the black community. That's a miserable failure for the black churches especially if 90% of the folks look for churches as guidance yet the pastor is more interested talking politics. If he's interested in politics he should have run for office and leave the position for someone that cares about the souls of his congregation.

...if you are a democrat, would you go to a church where the pastor talks more about republican talking points than the bible? or vise versa? Political talks don't belong in church. It is also widely known how democratic blacks discriminated against other blacks who are republicans. For those that are in the opposite side of the pastor politically where will they go? or will they just pretend they agree with him/her?

Capella
Bakersfield, CA

Is it fair then to level criticism against the LDS church if 78% of Utah is LDS and Utah leads the nation in teen suicides and depression since the late '80's?
Sc
Idaho, Arizona, and the Dakotas follow. No other state has that high of sa denominational %. What say you about that state's church "failure rate"? Obviously something isn't impacting suicide victims, is it?

And the "Lost Boy" problem from Utah's fundamentalist polygamy community remains unsolved. Who
Will rescue and orient them?

BYU Track Star
Los Angeles, CA

Looks like the DN is not telling its local readers about the recent Daniel Pearl baptizm in a local temple. Here is an interesting quote form the Article DN readers will find interesting...An the Church's PA office has some serious PR work to do ..Again

The quote:

Reached by phone, Pearl's mother, Ruth, said she and her husband were dismayed when informed of the ceremony by a reporter from the Boston Globe, which first reported the news.

"We realize that the Mormon ministers who baptized our son posthumously meant to offer him salvation in the most honorable way they know how," she said in statement. "To them we say: We appreciate your good intentions but rest assured that Danny's soul was redeemed through the life that he lived and the values that he upheld. He lived as a proud Jew, died as a proud Jew and is currently facing his creator as a Jew -- blessed, accepted and redeemed."

Looks like somebody is going to called before a church court to account for this OOPS.

This has been reported in the Boston Globe, the New York Times and the LA Times - to name a few newspapers.

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