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Published: Tuesday, Feb. 14 2012 12:00 p.m. MST

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LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

I think they need to be more concerned about a lop-sided One-Party Totalitarian system.

See you at the Caucuses....

DBeck
Eagle Mountain, UT

Sadly, the lack of involvement is due to the fact that it feels like it makes so little difference. To make it truly valuable, the state needs to allow those registered as Independents to vote in the primary of their choosing. As it is we are forced into one of the major parties and many of us simply are not either/or, we are Independents--we are somewhat liberal on certain things and somewhat conservative on others, rarely all the way one or the other on all things. I will sustain the 1st Presidency in this effort to get people to be more engaged as a member of the LDS church to the best of my ability, but there are serious impediments to doing so that will force many not to bother with being available again this year.

raybies
Layton, UT

Even in the predominant party, multiple voices are desperately needed, especially in Utah. We have the ability to reason through and send thoughtful candidates to office that will not just do whate everyone else is doing, but who will extend thoughtful tolerance and wisdom to all aspects governing our communities.

Yorkshire
City, Ut

I appreciate the writer pointing out that none of this is new--other than addressing lower caucus participation.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

Yes we do LDS Liberal, run by Obama and the Democrats/progressives/liberals.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

I don't live in Utah but here in Idaho, my (and I am certain for thousands of other voters) participation in public meetings with Democrats has been frustrating for both myself and the meeting sponsors. My views on same sex marriage,religous liberty, the second amendment, fiscal responsibility, self reliance, limited government and abortion are not well received in those meetings so I tend to stay away and continue to vote my conscience! In other words, my views are not welcome in the Democratic party!

J Thompson
SPRINGVILLE, UT

Why would anyone say that going to a caucus makes no difference?

Are they trying to say that because another citizen has a political viewpoint that differs from their own, that that other citizen should not attend the caucus?

Do they think that because the majority of those who care enough about a representative form of government voted for Republicans, that that form of government should be abolished?

Do they think that because few Democrats or Independents are elected, that the conservative viewpoints of Utah's citizens need to be ignored and that Democrats or Independents need to be allowed to vote twice or three times - until Democrats or Independents are elected?

The caucus system works. Those who care about living in a representative republic will go to their caucus meeting. Those who do not care will continue to carp and whine and complain.

John Loveland
OGDEN, UT

As a moderate Democrat, I appreciate the Church for reminding everyone that "principles compatible with the gospel may be found in the platforms of the various political parties." In fact, I switched to Democrat because I believe that the Democrats better embody the teachings of Christ and the LDS church regarding the poor and elderly, tolerance of others, caring for the environment, and so forth.

Also, I believe that Jim Dabakis' name is misspelled in this article (as Debakis).

Cherilyn
Holladay, UT

We had a record turn-out at the caucuses in an off-year election in 2010 - more than the Presidential election year in 2008.

The idea that Government should be the charity-giver, competing with the Church's role and diminishing it is the over-riding theme of a progressive thinker. They are in both parties, but predominantly in one party - the Democratic Party.

If we want to become Greece, we are on the right road to ruin in this present administration. If you are concerned, come to the Republican caucus where you will have a voice and find like-minded commonsense conservatives. We're going to need a veto-proof Congress with experienced and qualified representation if President Obama should be re-elected.

tholyoak
Cedar Hills, UT

I have always been politically independent because I don't agree with any party enough to give up my independence. Perhaps I am not the only one that feels this way, and that is the root of the problem?

isrred
Logan, UT

"To make it truly valuable, the state needs to allow those registered as Independents to vote in the primary of their choosing. As it is we are forced into one of the major parties"

Independents are welcome and able to participate in Democratic caucuses and primaries. It is only the Republican primary that requires that you be a registered Republican to vote in it.

Informed Voter
South Jordan, UT

There was a record turnout at the 2010 -- but too many Tea Party members. This, I believe, is what the brethren are unhappy about because Sen. Bennett was voted out. The Church Does not want to see Sen Hatch voted out by what they think was an extremist result in 2010, so they want more non-Tea Party people to attend this time. News that they want more attendees cannot state the real reason so they shroud it by saying more people should attend. I will vote for Hatch, but I applaud what happened in 2010. Senator Lee is doing a much better job than Bennett, but Bennett's loss was a blow to Church influence in D.C.

On the other hand
Spanish Fork, UT

@Cherilyn, thanks for presuming to tell me what I think.

A Scientist
Provo, UT

Voter turnout rates are known to favor one party or issue above others. As such, this official statement by Church leaders very well may be a veiled attempt to influence political events under the guise of "religious exemption".

Perhaps it is just as inappropriate for a Church to make any statement about politics, as it would be for a political authority to advise citizens to attend Church, or read your scriptures, or pay your tithing!

Kami
Bountiful, Utah

How about expressing a concern that less than have even both to show up to vote in Utah!

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

2 words:

Prop. 8.

Carnak
Salt Lake City, UT

Pagan | 10:34 a.m. Feb. 14, 2012
Salt Lake City, UT

1 word:

Passed

trapdinutah
South Jordan, UT

The caucus system is antiquated, but the worst thing about it here in Ut(opia) is that it pits neighbors against neighbors, neighborhoods against neighborhoods. Civil dialogue is a thing of the past. Each is allowed to believe whatever they believe, as long as they believe as I believe. There are many who latch onto what they believe their church believes about an issue, and they will not compromise - even if their belief is wrong; and any who believe differently are hell-bound heathens. It is incredibly difficult to listen to a self-righteous gun-toting tea party person rant and rave at a caucus meeting, berating and belittling any idea lacking the angry momma bearâs seal of approval, and then listen to them teach a Sunday school lesson on love the following Sunday. I agree with many of the posts above - I am an independent voter - fiercely independent. Not only do I agree with many of the tenets of each party, I also strongly disagree with many of each. I grew up in Europe and the far east, and I have always found many extremely good people in many different religions. I believe the same thing about political parties - there are good ideals in each of them, and people who are better for following those ideals, but none of them is worthy of the power held by the supermajority party here. As we see each year at this time, âabsolute power corrupts absolutely.â

New Yorker
Pleasant Grove, UT

I used to go to the Republican every year for over 20 years until I found out that the "at large" delegates were so many that they could counteract a very large popular majority of opinion. Then I worked with a group for a while to reduce the number of or effect of the at large delegates. Absolutely no chance of that happening. The "king-makers" have it wrapped up in Utah. Only switching to a primary election instead of caucuses will ever break the power of the Utah king-makers."

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

I think it's good that the church is stressing voter participation and emphasizing both caucus dates. I think there's way too much sentiment among church members (not the leadership) that you can't be a good LDS member and a Democrat. The Pew or Gallup (I forget which) poll had demographic numbers for LDS members and if you did a little extra math you found that while the survey had 79% activity rates, only half of liberal LDS members were active. I take it many of them have had their share of experiences like mine with an institute teacher that insisted we had to support the Iraq war as a holy war against Islam or else we'd be going against the prophet or maybe there's someone who always insists on bringing up Glenn Beck during sunday school meetings and some eventually just stop attending because they start to associate going to church with being a source of stress.

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