Josh Powell wasn't in jail because all the evidence they could find on him was
circumstantial at best. The police knew they could never hold him or get a
conviction on it. As the law states, "innocent until proven
guilty."In this case there was no concrete proof that he had
done anything illegal, therefore we must assume he was innocent.I
can only imagine an innocent man hounded for months by law enforcement and the
After reading articles and listening to the case worker on the radio, the system
in Washington and the crossflow of information from Utah formally should be
better. Also, after finding out that this case worker had done this type of
visit several times she definitely knew and saw more that her bosses may not
have known. Utah and Washington both should look into their system as cases do
cross borders and we should improve our process with Child Protective Services
and the police force that is handling cases like this with children involved.
We don't want accidents waiting to happen with innocent children.
Honor Code | 6:04 a.m. Feb. 10, 2012 Denver, Colorado Shame on the
State of Washington and the Social Workers for allowing 2 innocent boys allowed
to see their sick father at his location. This could have been prevented had the
visits been a a neutral site!! ======================= Stop trying to blame the Government for everything.Josh Powell was
responsible for Josh Powell.BTW - The State of Uath NEVER took his
kids away from him at ALL, AND he was a murder suspect.If they had stayed in Utah, this same thing would have happened even sooner,
rather than later.
To Rob,I neglected to word my last post very well. I did not mean to
say that you were BEING inappropriate in making the remark (in any way that
would make you seem to be doing something wrong). I only meant that WE are not
the most appropriate persons to make such a call. Whether you believe in God or
not, the principle is the same. God best judges what we cannot know for
ourselves. Without knowing every detail here, such judgments are simply 'out of
our hands'.In all honesty, I'd normally be right with you and ready
to agree. I am a firm believer in a degree of shared responsibility and that the
'sins of the parents' can be the cause of what their children do. But ultimately
I wouldn't say that Steven Powell is automatically as guilty as if he had
'pulled the trigger' himself, nor do I believe that we can know how his
parenting or actions may have really influenced Josh in the end.Just
trying to offer some food for thought, not say 'you were wrong' and contend with
I believe that both systems in the State of Washington need some overhauling to
prevent trigica lost that has happen with two young children life being take by
their father. I also believe that all the blame isn't just on Josh Powell, he
did murder his two sons as a final act of self control run riot. The worker from
Chlid Procetion Service is a vitim of this crime and did all she could, but will
have to live with the end results, I myself believe that she is blameless, she
was just following the court order and did all she could, by calling 911, The
State of Washington, and the county sheriff's office needs some major
overhauling done to prevent further crime like this from happening, and are at
To Rob and those who supported the comment.While a parent may indeed
be responsible for raising their children in sin/evil/hatred (or whatever label
you like).. ultimately Josh Powell made his own choices and had free agency like
everyone else.Man raises son with an iron fist, never showing love,
verbally abuses his kid (not physical though), and so on- except that he
provides for him and occasionally they have 'good moments' and get along fine.
While this man may raise a kid who grows up to murder 100 people, was it his own
fault? No. Steven Powell may be guilty of being a horrible parent. Do we even
know this? No. He could be a ruthless person and still a decent parent. The
truth is that we do not know and it is not our right to judge Steve Powell this
way.The things he has done publicly CERTAINLY can level some
judgement as this is objective and is an interaction with all of us. But none of
us have an adequate enough account of their family to make such a judgement.
Josh Powell's estranged sister summed it up so well:"There's no
broken system here. Josh was broken," his estranged sister, Jennifer
Graves, said Wednesday. "Josh did this and to blame anyone else for him
taking a hatchet to their necks and blowing them up and causing them to suffer
for their last breaths is wrong. It's wrong to say that anyone else is at fault
here."RIP Susan, Charlie and Braden.
Pornography in and of itself is not the only issue. People make decision to do
drugs, alcohol and pornography, step by step. These influences cause problems
and there are drugs that legal as some pornography and alcohol is legal but does
not mean a person may not become addicted. By that time, it may be too late
unless some intervention happens. People know of the problems they can have
with any of these behavior modification influences in their life. Does that
mean everyone becomes addicted. No. However, is it worth it to take that
chance when you start partaking that you can't quit on your own? There are
plenty of people at the point of the mountain and in other facilities that wish
they hadn't done what they were convicted of.
"And most recently, an "alert" sent to the Washington courts from
authorities in Utah citing pornographic material found in his home has lawmakers
and others asking why Powell was allowed near"Let's look at
this a little bit. I'm LDS and active in the church. For YEARS now the GAs have
been talking about pornography problems with members of the church .. its a HUGE
problem inside and outside of the church. How about before people point fingers
they look inside their own homes cause if you are suggesting that its a danger
to have children in a home with pornograpy, then you are going to see a high
percentage of LDS families having their children removed. Its going to be VERY
high and we all know that based on what we are hearing in church. I don't
support pornography, but if you want to point fingers you better take a good
look in the mirror. So let's just keep this little "problem" we are
having swept under the rug but point fingers at others. That's the way, right!
As some studies have shown, pornography is insidious to start with but appears
to make a change within the person in all aspects. I am still so bothered that
children were subjected to this for 2 years. The sick Brian David Mitchell was
of a similar mind to abuse children. He sat for 9 years keeping the system from
moving forward with his antics, as Josh was allowed to do. People have learned
how to get around the system that is to protect children with their quirks,
appeals to the court system with attorneys and even without them. Courts were
not made to work around the law and be the law. They judge laws not to do as a
lot of them are doing. Judges don't have the linked system of agencies to
provide them information, in all cases. We need to look at having judges do
what they do best, judge laws, not implement what they believe is policy.
However, I know there is also a problem with Child and Protective Services so
that is a quandry. Law enforcement have so many aspects for compliance it is a
difficult area but our children need better.
When you read this article after I listened to the interview yesterday, it makes
me wonder why the police and child protective services for two years haven't
done anything with this information that could have helped the process. It is
hard to believe that a judge would have sealed paperwork that would have
revealed this for children who are vulnerable in this situation, even on the
best day. Two years with a father that is in this article is quite amazing.
From reading and hearing information in the past 2 years, I am amazed the
families and people that knew Josh wouldn't say more about his past. Susan
would have had a tough life trying to protect her children and herself with what
we know now. But from some of the people that knew Josh, they knew his nature.
People were kept out of the loop due to the judge's order to seal everything.
The Cox family appeared to have to tap dance around the whole situation. What a
sad day for the Cox family.
This article hits the nail on the head. Anyone who has kept up with the stories
since Susan Powell's disappearance has probably had similar thoughts. I'd not
read about his adolescence, but that information adds to the overall pattern of
self-centeredness, hypocrisy and control. It does appear that the real culprit
is in jail, but that is too little too late. He should have stopped in his
tracks before he ever had children, or was allowed any influence over them. It
is amazing that such an evil person could be the one providing a home for two
boys whose mother vanished, at the same time that ridiculous camping trip was
concocted. Emiley, your assessment is astute!
Steve Powell is just as responsible for all that has happened.
"Court documents reveal Powell had a troubled adolescence filled with
tension and violence. Longtime friends cite examples of behavior called both
callous and selfish. Interviews and evidence gathered following the
disappearance of his wife pointed to bizarre actions. And most recently, an
"alert" sent to the Washington courts from authorities in Utah citing
pornographic material found in his home has lawmakers and others asking why
Powell was allowed near his children."Earlier in the week it
was reported that this was child pornography. If this is true, was the FBI
investigating Josh? You read about arrests almost everyday of people with this
kind of material on their computers, why was Josh walking free?
Shame on the State of Washington and the Social Workers for allowing 2 innocent
boys allowed to see their sick father at his location. This could have been
prevented had the visits been a a neutral site!!
To me, after considering some of the other articles on this topic that I thought
weren't written as well- this was a great article, imo anyway.