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19 current or former Gateway tenants submit plans to open at new downtown development

Published: Wednesday, Feb. 8 2012 10:00 p.m. MST

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A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

I don't mind this at all. A great deal of the Gateway 'tenants' seemed to treat people like me with content just because I wasn't the person spending the big bucks. I can and will spend good money if it's warranted. I can easily pay for 5-diamond service, food, events, and so on... IF I intend to. I have. I will. But I don't every day just to follow some sort of arbitrary trend.

To me, Gateway has always been a place of 'follow the trends or you aren't welcome here'. Maybe other people have experienced things differently. But a mall that welcomes things to service all ages, all incomes, and appeals to the majority of the population of this state... well, that's a good thing to me. I'd rather give them my money before the Gateway anyway.

How many more jobs will come from this development anyway? I'm sure lots will.

How will the income of the investors/owners of these malls be spent after making money? Well, I'm sure City Creek's ownership won't be spending it on things that don't benefit society.

So is there any problem here if Gateway has to cut back? Not from where I'm standing. :)

Ms Molli
Bountiful, Utah

I'll continue to shop at the Gateway as my preference is outdoor malls. I don't plan to ever shop at City Creek.

Reasonable Person
Layton, UT

McGrath's closed only because of their poor-quality food. It had nothing to do with their location in Gateway.

We will continue to support Gateway, because it will be open on Sundays (half of our available "shopping days"). We hope that it becomes a point for more quality food, quality merchandise, and walkability.

City Creek will not open on Sundays, the restaurants will not serve us a drink, and we don't need Tiffany's or Anne Taylor.

Gateway to Trolley Square to Fashion Place will continue to be our shopping day.

Johnny Triumph
American Fork, UT

This shouldn't even be in the news. New developments open all the time and take from the old. This is exactly what happened to Crossroads and ZCMI Center Malls when the Gateway opened...now it's coming back on the Gateway.

raybies
Layton, UT

One problem I have with the Gateway is that really bottleneck's easily, because it's difficult to approach from all for directions... so if one of the two main directions is overcrowded, there's little (if no) access relief.

Ace
Farmington, UT

Seems to be a lot of misinformation in the comments.

Ms Molly -- City Creek is an outdoor mall too. (Actaully, it's the best of both worlds--a retractable roof that is open when the weather is nice and closed when it's not.)

Reasonable Person -- Some City Creek restaurants will serve alcohol (including Cheesecake Factory and Texas de Brazil Steakhouse), and some stores and restaurants will even be open on Sundays.

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

I don't think anyone can really deny that this is a beautiful facility. It will certainly welcome those who visit and treat people with an incredible amount of hospitality.

I'm thankful this is in my state and I'm even more thankful for the family friendly environment the church is trying to preserve downtown. Too much of Salt Lake is getting filled with filth. While the word may sound harsh to some people, that label wasn't assigned by Utahn's but has existed since long before now. People will do as they please and I'm fine with that. But at least having a sanctuary downtown where I can live my life the way I want, shop the way I want, and be in an atmosphere that is designed to be safe- well that's a pretty good thing in my book.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Maybe they could change the name from Gateway Mall to Pioneer Park Mall, or Homeless Shelter Mall...

I don't know why I would go to either of these malls. City Center sounds like it will be too pricy for my style, and I don't want to walk through people doing their drug deals to get to the Gateway mall. And all the parking hastles at Gateway... why would I bother? I assume parking will be just as expensive and inconvenient at the City Center Mall. And Rocky Anderson made it perfectly clear that SLC residents don't want outsiders driving to SLC and fouling their air... so I just stay away.

A Young Salt Lake Mind
Salt Lake City, UT

@ A voice of reason...

Thoughtful words, but I wonder how you define the word "filth." Personally, I think it would be fantastic if there was a small, local cafe in City Creek. I would like to be able to grab coffee or tea on the way to work, or maybe have an espresso after I get done with work from time to time. I have a feeling that this isn't necessarily the type of business that you would like to be surrounded by while shopping, however I think it could provide this little downtown part of Salt Lake with a slice of culture. Also, if there was a classy cocktail bar in the area, one that had high priced drinks, I hardly think that you would have to worry about "filth". I've always had a hard time understanding why the church might embrace caloric, fattening food (Cheesecake Factory). To me, people gorging themselves on food, potentially teaching their children that unhealthy consumption is fine, can be far more filthy than having a cup of coffee. Again, I'm not sure of your stance on having a coffee shop, or cocktail bar in the new City Creek, so I apologize if I am jumping to conclusions about your definition of "filth". And I am excited about the potential for a very clean, high end mall so close to downtown. Just my two cents.

Canyontreker
TAYLORSVILLE, UT

I thought there was going to be a creek in the city.

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

A Young Salt Lake Mind,

I wouldn't think of a cafe as filth. I would't even consider people wanting a beer or wine in chili's or olive garden or the Cheesecake Factory to be filth either. But there are those who argue that it shouldn't matter where they want to do something and they want downtown to welcome venues and businesses that aren't about having a 'good time' but about getting wasted, about partying irresponsibly, and about getting away with breaking half our standing laws.

Your implied claim that I am imagining this because of my beliefs is mistaken. All I hear about half my day is from people living this life, where they do things, what they do, and it bothers me even knowing that such filth exists here. I have seen things with my very eyes that stand as evidence of this being true. I can provide reason and logic and anyone attributing my claims as false and imagined or 'religiously fanatical' have nothing to support such arguments. Where I actually do have experiences to testify of mine.

The Church isn't embracing any food chains, but doing business with them. I'm not offended by your remark at all. But I have experienced an overwhelming majority of 'young people' who don't realize that I am young, I can provide reason, and I have experiences as evidence that can withstand scrutiny. I can even argue drinking is wrong. But I don't in respect of what the majority wants. I'm only trying to say that having a specific environment catered to my beliefs is good to me.

Sqweebie
Salt Lake City, UT

My major problem with the Gateway is that it is NOT wheelchair friendly. Unless a person has a companion with them they have to wait for someone to come along and open the door for them. Also the aisles are barely wide enough for a wheelchair to use.

Only been to the Gateway once and that was all we needed to decide it's not worth our time to go there.

Bluto
Sandy, UT

The planning for City Creek was already in development before Gateway was developed.
In fact, strict zoning ordiances were imposed upon Gateway in order to protect the City Creek development.

After the conditions were agreed to, Rocky Anderson tried to pull a fast one and lure Nordstroms to the Gateway anyway. Thankfully, he was held to his prior commitment, just as he was, eventually, to his Main Street Plaza deal, which sale he agreed to 30 days after becoming the Mayor of SLC.
Thank you 10th Circuit Court of Appeals and extra millions more paid out by Sorenson and the LDS Church. Double crossing does not sit well with any of us.

Now, City Creek, or shall we call it, the Avenue of the U of U-Pac 12 Banners, is facing the Market Place. They gambled, knowing full well that City Creek would come on board at some future point.

Now the Land of cheezy, tacky stuccado will have to compete with stone, brick and glass architecture, fountains, creeks, waterfalls, upscale stores and restaurants with better Atmosphere and Class. And....Location, Location, Location!

Oh well, The Land of Tacky had a nice run!

PS
What's with jersey barriers, temporary railings held down with rocks and sandbags and PVC barriers?
South Temple needs to be spruced up with curbing, landscaping and railings.

see:
S. Temple in front of the Hotel Utah-JSM building and the curbing for tracks west of the ESA.
C'mon SLC, spring for it.

OC Surfer
Rancho Santa Margarita, CA

While there may be some uncertainty in the short term, long term both the Gateway and City Creek will be viewed as one shopping destination. Being from California and visiting Utah often, I'm still amazed at the lack of retail variety and options in Utah. This is where Gateway can improve is by bringing "new-to-market" retail concepts or edgy hipster indie stores that will complement City Creek.

Bebyebe
UUU, UT

'Won't step foot in City Creek. Let the people who built it spend their money there.

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