19 current or former Gateway tenants submit plans to open at new downtown development
'Won't step foot in City Creek. Let the people who built it spend their money
While there may be some uncertainty in the short term, long term both the
Gateway and City Creek will be viewed as one shopping destination. Being from
California and visiting Utah often, I'm still amazed at the lack of retail
variety and options in Utah. This is where Gateway can improve is by bringing
"new-to-market" retail concepts or edgy hipster indie stores that will
complement City Creek.
The planning for City Creek was already in development before Gateway was
developed.In fact, strict zoning ordiances were imposed upon Gateway in
order to protect the City Creek development.After the conditions
were agreed to, Rocky Anderson tried to pull a fast one and lure Nordstroms to
the Gateway anyway. Thankfully, he was held to his prior commitment, just as he
was, eventually, to his Main Street Plaza deal, which sale he agreed to 30 days
after becoming the Mayor of SLC.Thank you 10th Circuit Court of Appeals
and extra millions more paid out by Sorenson and the LDS Church. Double crossing
does not sit well with any of us.Now, City Creek, or shall we call
it, the Avenue of the U of U-Pac 12 Banners, is facing the Market Place. They
gambled, knowing full well that City Creek would come on board at some future
point.Now the Land of cheezy, tacky stuccado will have to compete
with stone, brick and glass architecture, fountains, creeks, waterfalls, upscale
stores and restaurants with better Atmosphere and Class. And....Location,
Location, Location!Oh well, The Land of Tacky had a nice run!PSWhat's with jersey barriers, temporary railings held down with
rocks and sandbags and PVC barriers?South Temple needs to be spruced up
with curbing, landscaping and railings.see: S. Temple in front
of the Hotel Utah-JSM building and the curbing for tracks west of the ESA.C'mon SLC, spring for it.
My major problem with the Gateway is that it is NOT wheelchair friendly. Unless
a person has a companion with them they have to wait for someone to come along
and open the door for them. Also the aisles are barely wide enough for a
wheelchair to use.Only been to the Gateway once and that was all we
needed to decide it's not worth our time to go there.
A Young Salt Lake Mind,I wouldn't think of a cafe as filth. I
would't even consider people wanting a beer or wine in chili's or olive garden
or the Cheesecake Factory to be filth either. But there are those who argue that
it shouldn't matter where they want to do something and they want downtown to
welcome venues and businesses that aren't about having a 'good time' but about
getting wasted, about partying irresponsibly, and about getting away with
breaking half our standing laws.Your implied claim that I am
imagining this because of my beliefs is mistaken. All I hear about half my day
is from people living this life, where they do things, what they do, and it
bothers me even knowing that such filth exists here. I have seen things with my
very eyes that stand as evidence of this being true. I can provide reason and
logic and anyone attributing my claims as false and imagined or 'religiously
fanatical' have nothing to support such arguments. Where I actually do have
experiences to testify of mine.The Church isn't embracing any food
chains, but doing business with them. I'm not offended by your remark at all.
But I have experienced an overwhelming majority of 'young people' who don't
realize that I am young, I can provide reason, and I have experiences as
evidence that can withstand scrutiny. I can even argue drinking is wrong. But I
don't in respect of what the majority wants. I'm only trying to say that having
a specific environment catered to my beliefs is good to me.
I thought there was going to be a creek in the city.
@ A voice of reason...Thoughtful words, but I wonder how you define
the word "filth." Personally, I think it would be fantastic if there
was a small, local cafe in City Creek. I would like to be able to grab coffee or
tea on the way to work, or maybe have an espresso after I get done with work
from time to time. I have a feeling that this isn't necessarily the type of
business that you would like to be surrounded by while shopping, however I think
it could provide this little downtown part of Salt Lake with a slice of culture.
Also, if there was a classy cocktail bar in the area, one that had high priced
drinks, I hardly think that you would have to worry about "filth".
I've always had a hard time understanding why the church might embrace caloric,
fattening food (Cheesecake Factory). To me, people gorging themselves on food,
potentially teaching their children that unhealthy consumption is fine, can be
far more filthy than having a cup of coffee. Again, I'm not sure of your stance
on having a coffee shop, or cocktail bar in the new City Creek, so I apologize
if I am jumping to conclusions about your definition of "filth". And I
am excited about the potential for a very clean, high end mall so close to
downtown. Just my two cents.
Maybe they could change the name from Gateway Mall to Pioneer Park Mall, or
Homeless Shelter Mall...I don't know why I would go to either of
these malls. City Center sounds like it will be too pricy for my style, and I
don't want to walk through people doing their drug deals to get to the Gateway
mall. And all the parking hastles at Gateway... why would I bother? I assume
parking will be just as expensive and inconvenient at the City Center Mall. And
Rocky Anderson made it perfectly clear that SLC residents don't want outsiders
driving to SLC and fouling their air... so I just stay away.
I don't think anyone can really deny that this is a beautiful facility. It will
certainly welcome those who visit and treat people with an incredible amount of
hospitality.I'm thankful this is in my state and I'm even more
thankful for the family friendly environment the church is trying to preserve
downtown. Too much of Salt Lake is getting filled with filth. While the word may
sound harsh to some people, that label wasn't assigned by Utahn's but has
existed since long before now. People will do as they please and I'm fine with
that. But at least having a sanctuary downtown where I can live my life the way
I want, shop the way I want, and be in an atmosphere that is designed to be
safe- well that's a pretty good thing in my book.
Seems to be a lot of misinformation in the comments. Ms Molly --
City Creek is an outdoor mall too. (Actaully, it's the best of both worlds--a
retractable roof that is open when the weather is nice and closed when it's
not.)Reasonable Person -- Some City Creek restaurants will serve
alcohol (including Cheesecake Factory and Texas de Brazil Steakhouse), and some
stores and restaurants will even be open on Sundays.
One problem I have with the Gateway is that really bottleneck's easily, because
it's difficult to approach from all for directions... so if one of the two main
directions is overcrowded, there's little (if no) access relief.
This shouldn't even be in the news. New developments open all the time and take
from the old. This is exactly what happened to Crossroads and ZCMI Center Malls
when the Gateway opened...now it's coming back on the Gateway.
McGrath's closed only because of their poor-quality food. It had nothing to do
with their location in Gateway.We will continue to support Gateway,
because it will be open on Sundays (half of our available "shopping
days"). We hope that it becomes a point for more quality food, quality
merchandise, and walkability.City Creek will not open on Sundays,
the restaurants will not serve us a drink, and we don't need Tiffany's or Anne
Taylor.Gateway to Trolley Square to Fashion Place will continue to
be our shopping day.
I'll continue to shop at the Gateway as my preference is outdoor malls. I don't
plan to ever shop at City Creek.
I don't mind this at all. A great deal of the Gateway 'tenants' seemed to treat
people like me with content just because I wasn't the person spending the big
bucks. I can and will spend good money if it's warranted. I can easily pay for
5-diamond service, food, events, and so on... IF I intend to. I have. I will.
But I don't every day just to follow some sort of arbitrary trend.To
me, Gateway has always been a place of 'follow the trends or you aren't welcome
here'. Maybe other people have experienced things differently. But a mall that
welcomes things to service all ages, all incomes, and appeals to the majority of
the population of this state... well, that's a good thing to me. I'd rather give
them my money before the Gateway anyway.How many more jobs will come
from this development anyway? I'm sure lots will.How will the income
of the investors/owners of these malls be spent after making money? Well, I'm
sure City Creek's ownership won't be spending it on things that don't benefit
society.So is there any problem here if Gateway has to cut back? Not
from where I'm standing. :)