Josh Powell's sister in Utah had hoped to adopt the two boys
"There's no broken system here. Josh was broken," his estranged
sister, Jennifer Graves, said Wednesday. "Josh did this and to blame anyone
else for him taking a hatchet to their necks and blowing them up and causing
them to suffer for their last breaths is wrong. It's wrong to say that anyone
else is at fault here."Jennifer, we know you hurt terribly, but
thank you for putting it so well, in such a short paragraph. You speak wisely
and there really is no more to add. My heart goes out to you and the Cox family
and my prayers are with you all. RIP Susan, Charlie and Braden.
When someone is willing to justify what Josh has done, and then blame it on the
police and the press, Quite often those same people have been on the wrong side
of the law in their own life.It would be interesting to know the
background of these Texas finger pointers.
There was a news story that broke when they were looking for Susan out in the
desert. If I remember correctly they first said that a body had been found,
then later said that the cadaver dogs hit on a particular spot but no body was
found. Am I remembering this correctly? Anyway, it could be possible that Susan
was at that place and the body was moved.....Just a thought.
I cannot understand how anyone, especially a father, could kill their children
in such a terrible way. I try hard not to think of the fear those little boys
had with one watching their dad take a hatchet to their brother. Such a
selfish, evil man.
This Washington State Dispatcher asked too many Questions!Mean while back
at the rental home the supervisor was giving many answers.Mean while
and mean while The two boys were getting axed and Josh mean time was going just
about had enough of life.As Voicemails said so...with no time left
then..dead air flame..God Bless Braden&Charlie,Susan maybe never
found?Josh really needed the chance to seek more help this story
breaks down abuse and cruelness
Josh's "restraint" was most likely calculated and self-serving. The
devil himself can act like an angel to suit his purposes.Josh's
"harassmnet" by police was largely due to his TOTAL LACK OF
COOPERATION with their investigation.
You can't blame the media or the WQest Valley Ploice Department for what has
happen. Pure and simple Josh Powell is a coward and a cold blooded murder. He
plan and took the life of his sons, which leads me to believe that he also
murdered his wife too. The oldest son says mommy was in the trunk. If you say he
loves his sons why take them camping on the coldest day of the year, alot of
what Josh Powell had stated don't add up and I believe with all my heart that
W.V.P.D. was getting ready to file charge in aa little time and that is why he
took his life and MURDERED his sons. I have followed this case from the beginng
and have read all the articles about the case and have copies of all articles.
âI think he must have just felt that there was only one way left to
protect his sons from the pain from all the emotional and physical pain that
theyâve been experiencing,â Alina told Good Morning America on
Thursday.The reporter pushed Alina, and said âBut he
didnât protect them, he killed them,â and Alina responded, âI
wish it had been differently.â~~~smh~~~
"The Graves had said they were working to adopt 7-year-old Charlie and
5-year-old Braden Powell into their family and raise them as their own children,
'until (Susan) can take over again,' Jennifer Graves said." Pa-lease. Quit
playing to the cameras and media. Those children weren't going anywhere except
to remain with their loving grandparents. If anyone legally "adopted"
them, it would have been the grandparents. Why would a judge realistically
determined to remove the children from grandparents and relocate them back w/
the Graves family back in Utah? It simply wouldn't have made any sense. This was
not worthy of a 2 hour "press conference." As much as I LOVE that this
sister, apparently, has no involvement with the Powell family, she needs to move
on as well.
Not his faultClearly none of this is Josh's fault. Wife
disappears in middle of camping trip in December - not his fault. Blames
wifeHe doesn't cooperate with searching for her - again not his fault.
Blames copsHe gets continued questions about his wife's disappearance -
again not his fault. Blames mediaChops off his kids heads and murders
them in cold blood - again not his fault. Blames ...... fill in the blank.c'mon guys, he's not to blame.There is one person who knows
where Susan Powell is and he is sitting in prison eating the three square meals
we are providing. A few days in Quantanemo Bay and he would provide some
closure for the Powell family.
22 minutes elapsed from the time the social worker dialed 911 till deputies
arrived on scene. 8 minutes from when she called 911 before deputies got the
call and were dispatched. When seconds count the police are only (several)
minutes away.Still not sure why an unarmed social worker was the
only one sent with the children to a suspected murderers house for a supervised
visit. oh' well.
What I don't get is why his sister is so enamored with seeing herself on tv?
Greiving in public is not becoming, show some restraint and stop talking to the
press and feeding the fire. Josh was a pathetic coward, but get over being on
tv and tell the press no.
I think Josh would have garnered some sympathy if he had killed just himself and
not the boys. Some people would have pointed fingers at all the pressure and
accusations as pushing him over the edge. I might've gave him some sympathy
since he hadn't been charged or tried. But since he decided to take the boys
with him. He gets none from me. All those close to it now get my
sympathy. May their burdens be lightened and their grief consoled.
If Mr Powell Sr does know anything about the disappearance of his
daughter-in-law, surely now is the time for him to bring this whole sad affair
to an end. No one will feel worse about his son than they currently do, but
surely people will feel better about Steve Powell and his family than they
currently do, realising that he is, at last, showing a Christian act in allowing
both sides of the family some closure. Surely any decent father grieving the
loss of his son and grandchildren would not want to increase or maintain the
loss that the Cox Family are feeling right now. Or would he? My hope is that
he would not.Intransigence in the family to maybe prevent Josh
Powell facing a murder charge is what led to the guaranteeing that he is now
definitely known to be guilty of the murder of his children. Pride is such an
awful thing. Folks try to hide the truth in order to keep up appearances, and
yet the truth always prevails eventually. There is a God in Heaven, and He
knows all things. Come on Steve. Bring closure, and allow YOUR OWN family to
Second attempt at part 4 of 4:I am not asking that those in charge
be forced to do anything extreme but a simple hand washing isn't enough.
Second attempt at part 2:Here is the second part of four:Here is a hypothetical case: Allan wants to throw a cream pie at Bob. Allen
sees that Bob has a problem with Charlie who can lose his temper. Allen tells
Charlie things that gets Charlie real mad at Bob. Charlie throws a cream pie at
Bob. Simple action causes a known planned reaction.Who is responsible for
the cream pie in Bobs face?
Here is the third of four:Now I am not saying that the state wanted
to see what happened happen, but experts should be experts. Did the state put
the father into a box where there was only one exit that he could see?
Trying to figure out why my comment was rejected I have divided up to see which
of the 4 parts didn't make it. Unfortunately a puzzle is not clear if pieces are
missing. Here is the first.If one is suposed to be an expert in
these matters then they had better make the right decisions and see the
consequences down the road. Looking in hindsight we see that he was pushed too
Deserthiker,I don't care to defend people, especially if I don't
know the truth. But while others don't know the truth, I find it hard to accept
people being so quick to judge.Susan technically could be alive. She
likely isn't and his killing the boys before the explosion is sufficient
evidence to suggest that he probably killed her. But as for what 'we could
learn', this isn't an 'eye opener' to move forward from. Our social reactions
have been this way before. We need to stop pushing suspects, the accused, etc.
If people want a tighter leash on suspects (within reason and the law) then
fine... but the public condemning can't help and potentially will ONLY make
things worse, maybe even dangerous.A murderer is responsible for his
actions. But we are equally responsible for our actions. Adding pressure
(punishment) without proving who's to be held accountable is wrong. I'm not
saying that society causes a murderers actions- but anyone who'd deny that a
bully can't prompt a punch from another child is willfully ignoring reality for
their own rational.If he was innocent and wouldn't have done this if
society hadn't hated him- then would there not be any sort of shared
accountability? Maybe I'm wrong. I do believe Josh Powell is responsible for
this horrible thing. And really, I don't believe in blaming the police or
society. I believe in doing what's right; I just can't justify condemning
statements without evidence or reason, which didn't exist before the hatchet.
If the police used tactics to rattle his cage it worked all right.But the result
wasn't even contemplated.With a person under the strain that Josh Powell was
feeling, the system failed big time when they allowed him to have home visits
instead of mandatory supervised public vists say at a police station or other
during this point in time. I hope law enforcement learned something in this and
change some things in procedures.
I strongly suspect that if/when Josh Powell killed his wife, it was most likely
not premeditated. If it had been, he wouldn't have had to take his children with
him when he went to hide her body. It's likely that the police were trying to
pressure him to get him to make a mistake. However, in future, maybe someone
could make a connection that someone who likely committed murder in a moment of
serious stress (ie, a serious argument with his wife or a plan for divorce)and
the very real likelihood that extreme stress could lead him to kill again. He is
still responsible, but are there better ways to manage someone who has killed
The fault is that he should have gone to trial already and be setting in jail.
I see no reason why anyone should feel sorry for Josh Powell. He created all
his own problems starting with the disappearance of his wife. Had he loved his
sons, they would be alive today. I understand that guilt can weigh heavily on
the mind. The only grief I have is for the boys...they seem so sweet and look
so much like their mother.
Jennifer Graves, my heart goes out to you.That is one whacked out
family you have to deal with.Thanks for being the voice of reason.
Those are ethical tactics the state can take. I think it's brilliant to divert
attention away from the area they are searching so they aren't tempted to move
the body, if they did it. My goodness a man held up a sign saying his daughter
is missing. How would that ruffle a mans feathers who wants his wife found?
Distract him, sure,The state bent over backwards for the family. The
children were not removed because of being a person of interest. As soon as the
man had new housing after his fathers legal issues visitation returned to a
residence instead of a public place. There was no termination of parental
rights. He locked out a social worker trying to get the boys, took
an ax to them, gassed and set the on fire in a matter of minutes a task after
planning for days. Horribly brutal. Why did all those people getting notes from
him take so long to call? I don't see this man as a victim. Or someone who
snapped. Too organized. And why no outrage at his dad, who had photos of wife?
Re: Jonathan Eddy | 6:12 p.m. Feb. 8, 2012 "If it was the West Valley
City police department's intent to break this man, they surely got their
wish."It was the intent of the West Valley Police to solve a
murder. They had a mountain of evidence that pointed to only one man. Are you
suggesting that they should have simple folded their arms and walked away?Why is it that those who know the least about his case think they are
wiser than those working hardest to find this mother's body?
"In our hearts and minds, we feel this family tragedy was set into motion
from the beginning due in part to the various questionable government agencies'
practices, religious bias, the Internet kangaroo courts, and sensationalized
news media, all of whom have circumvented the laws that protect all of our
rights to due process," they wrote. "Stewardship of the
responsibilities that have been entrusted to those organizations and individuals
has been completely compromised.Umm...Josh Powell set this in motion
when he killed his wife. Everything that has happened was a result of that.
Awwww, did the media and policeman say naughty things about the poor unfortunate
soul who murdered his two innocent boy in cold blood?Next we will
learn that the mean biting dog was angry because somebody petted him backwards.
Judgment at any cost has never been a very prudent modus operandi, even if the
suspect truly is guilty. Well trained, professional law enforcement generally
stays within the parameters of the rules of evidence and the rules or procedure
in court. If it was the West Valley City police department's intent
to break this man, they surely got their wish. They just didn't consider the
collateral damage.Way too often, misguided psychological mind game
tactics by law enforcement sure seem to end up with Waco like results. Is this
going to be the new "protect and serve" police to citizen relationship
of the 21st century that we can expect?
Let's review:1) Josh came under immediate suspicion after Susan's
disappearance because..... he acted so weirdly, story didn't fit, had motive,
etc etc etc2) Police put pressure on Josh because........ see #13)
Josh felt pressure because..... of the way he handled #2 and because.... he
really was a murderer.4) Josh then kills own children because.... A) He
couldn't live with out them (didn't check to see if they could live without
him), B) To stick it to his in-laws, law enforcement, and anyone else that had
the audacity to suspect him of being involved in Susan's disappearance, C)
because I think he was breaking down mentally due to his conscience eating at
him.I have all kinds of admiration and respect for his family for
continuing to try and love Josh. I don't think love should ever die no matter
what your loved one may do. But, they are extremely ill advised to try and blame
anyone else for Josh's actions. There is absolutely no defense for what he did.
Intense strain and pressure should have moved him to confess and tell police
where they could find Susan's body, or if unwilling to face the consequences to
kill himself. Only a warped mind could rationalize what actually happened.
I'm really having a hard time processing the first sentence of this article.
"An attorney [...] say police enlisted them to "ruffle the
feathers of Josh Powell" throughout their investigation"What?
It's impossible for everyone to be 100% responsible for everything. For example,
sometimes we feel bad if we do something that makes another angry. In other
words, we assume some responsibility for that person's anger. And yet, if
someone does something that angers us, we like to think that our anger is 100%
our own fault, because we could just decide to be happy. You can't have it both
ways.That being said, these influences don't excuse Josh from what
he did. That would be ludicrous. But to completely ignore the possibility of
mistakes on the part of others is to open ourselves to a similar tragedy.
Nobody forced Josh to take an axe or hatchet and hit his boys with it, nobody
forced him to douse the house with gas and ignite it. Josh is 1000% responsible
for this act and sadly he, his father and some siblings and other relatives are
as messed up in the head to spin it any other way. If anyone condones what Josh
did, then they had their hand on the axe and helped kill those boys, they to me
are guilty by association in the sense that they can't accept the fact that Josh
did the most evil act that a person can do on this earth. It would be one thing
to murder 100 strangers, but to murder your own two children, that is sick.
In light of the reports of the younger of the boys saying, apparently on more
than one occasion, that mommy was in the trunk of the car" have they
checked the area near where the "camping trip" was?
I read about 1/3 of this story before I started to get sick to my stomach.
Unless there is something positive to report, let this story die.
@IHeartMusic: I believe that biker group is called the Patriot Riders or
something. They will ride as honor guard for any soldier's funeral and set up to
It seems that law enforcement is in a no win situation when it comes to cases
like this.Either they're percieved as not doing enough or not being
aggresive enough, or they are being too aggressive or pushy.I wonder if
some of Josh's defenders were happy with things the way they were before this
latest devestating event.I guess it depends on which side of the law you
are standing.Certainly, if you have done what Josh has done and on more
than one occasion, then you will always play the role of victim. And
unfortunately you will convince a handful of others to defend you, in spite of
the final results.It would be interesting to know, albeit after the fact,
what evidence law enforcement had i this case from th beginning.
We will all be held accountable for the impact our words and deeds have on
others. Thank goodness there is one perfect judge.
Re: Deserthiker | 1:07 p.m. Feb. 8, 2012 "the pressure he was placed
under by relentless public and media scrutiny and criticism, inflammatory stunts
choreographed by police such as described in this article, and the carnivorous
rush to judgement of our entire society certainly put him under intense
strain"Yes, taking your wife's life will put intense strain on
most men. We call that a consequence. Josh could have avoided all that strain
by not killing his wife, or if innocent of that charge then by helping the
police find the real killer.
has anyone else heard that the westboro baptist church is going to picket at
braden and charlie's funeral?i just saw this...MargieJPhelps MargiePhelps Westboro will picket the funerals of the
Powell boys, Sat.,2/11, 12:15p, to remind @GovGregoire they died because of her
rebellion. #obeyGoddoes anyone here know some bikers who will go out
and set up their bikes to block these idiots from being seen?they
were going to protest a soldier's funeral here and all the bikers in town set up
their bikes so the protesters couldn't see or be seen.
All you wannabe legal minds can't be serious that somehow police tactics drove
this madman to commit murder. Please explain how Josh Powell's
"tactics" of concocting the most unbelievable alibi of going camping
in the middle of the night on one of the coldest nights of the year with two
small children does not play into this. Please explain how any police or media
are to blame for Josh Powell's tactic of not cooperating with police in the
investigation. Some of you trolls act like you have all the facts and knowledge
that the WVC police department has. Well, cough them up so you can look as smart
as you think you are.
All the EVIL and wrong that has transpired is centered on Josh Powell and those
that enabled his EVIL and sickening acts. I hope and pray that I never have to
meet or even cross paths with such an EVIL person, including those who make
excuses or who are apologists for his EVIL thoughts and actions.
Moral of the story...don't kill your wife and the police won't bother you it be
suspicious of your behavior. Josh never have law enforcement or any other person
a reason to not believe he didn't have something to do with Susanna appearance.
I do find the West Valley OF completely incompetent of investigative and
detective work however. Josh should have been charged a long time ago.
It doesn't matter much pressure from anybody was put on me, it could never force
me to kill my own children. It is called evil. He is evil and always has been.
No statement about anybody can make them evil - he was either evil or he wasn't.
Clearly he was and nothing can change that.
Two thoughts:I'm now certain Josh P. was responsible for Susan's
disappearance. andThis is 100% Josh's fault. Not 97.5%
Josh, 2% police, .005% media. 100% Josh's fault. Defending Josh Powell is like
defending Hitler, don't waist our time.
Reminds me of the Elizabeth Smart case where the police were "certain"
they had their man. They arrested "a person of interest". The stress
of being accused was too much for the man, and he had a heart attack and
died.Sure, Josh Powell shouldn't have killed himself nor his kids,
but it is fair to consider if police tactics played a part. When a kid gets
bullied on Facebook and commits suicide, we say something should be done.
Should we handle suspects with kid gloves? No, but police methods in this case
need to stand to a review.
In the beginning was Steven Powell.I can't help but think Steven
Powell's (Josh's father) demented actions, negative opinions of women and warped
vouyerism had a chilling and negative effect on his children. It appears Josh
may have been especially affected by his father's attidues and actions.There is no excuse for taking another life. However, I can understand how the
intense pressure of hiding his actions (taking his wife's life) and always
trying to remember which lies he'd told and what plausible lie will reinforce
the first lie could take it's toll on him.I believe he took his sons
lives because he didn't want them to grow up knowing what their father had done,
he didn't want the Cox family to raise his boys and, in his warped mind, thought
they would be better off.In the end, we are responsible for our own
actions. As heartbreaking as it is...
Mark my words... the Cox's will end up owning the state before this is all said
and done. If Josh was that mentally unstable he should have never been allowed
visitation with his children at his home.If the case against Josh
Powell was so strong then why wasn't he in jail? Simple... all the evidence
police have found was circumstantial at best. They couldn't hold him on it, they
couldn't obtain a conviction with it. Everyone believes the man did it, but if
there is no concrete proof the law states that we must assume Josh was
innocent.I can only imagine an innocent man hounded week after week,
month after month by police and the media. No telling what depths of insanity
pressure like that could drive a person to.Well, I guess we know
While Josh Powell is ultimately accountable for his own choices and actions, and
recognizing that nothing can excuse the horrific acts he committed, the pressure
he was placed under by relentless public and media scrutiny and criticism,
inflammatory stunts choreographed by police such as described in this article,
and the carnivorous rush to judgement of our entire society certainly put him
under intense strain. The added pressure of proceedings to take away custody of
his children would have multiplied the stress. I'm sure police calculated that
the pressure would eventually cause him to make a mistake and give them the
needed break to establish guilt. Unfortunately, when he broke under two years
of relentless pressure, he chose actions that will forever haunt us. Given all
the information released to the public, I believe it highly likely that he was
guilty in the disappearance of his wife, but evidence firmly establishing that
guilt is absent- otherwise he would already have been charged. Our Constitution
holds sacred rights of due process and innocence until guilt is proven- however
in this case public sentiment tried, convicted, and proceeded to punish him in
the absence of due process or proof. Just to play devil's advocate-what if he
truly were not guilty of his wife's murder? How would our collective actions
look then? Had this case been handled differently by the police, the media, and
the public perhaps those two boys would still be alive. Perhaps Josh would still
be here to face earthly justice when police finally gathered a sufficient case
against him. Perhaps answers as to what happened to Susan Cox Powell would be
found to provide her family some closure. We'll never know. If future cases
such as this present, hopefully we can take a hard look at what worked and what
didn't work, and learn from our mistakes as we try to see justice done.
No matter how the Powell family spins it, the facts remain. Josh Powell is a
murderer. Josh could not have loved his sons and do what he did to them. Do
not try to blame what Josh Powell did to his sons as somehow the fault of the
legal system or the media. No, it was the act of a demented person who would
kill rather than lose control of a possession.
NOOOO you don't. Don't even think of shifting the responsibility here. Josh
Powell is the "anti-thesis" of dignity and restraint.This
is offensive, if not downright ridiculous. Josh Powell is a cruel, heartless
murderer who chopped his kids with a hatchet and then burned them. Don't even
give these relatives the time of day.What is wrong with people these
days? People are "allergic" to taking responsibility for their
actions and are always the "victim" of something. ENOUGH!
Josh Powell and Josh Powell alone is responsible for this tragedy. Why the need
to place blame on everyone else? Give me a break! I feel for Powell's extended
family, but really? He was a monster! His sister seems to be the only one that
"On Tuesday, Texas relatives of Josh and Steven Powell issued a statement
pointing fingers at police practices, as well as activities of the media, which
they say played a part in Sunday's tragic ending"Why an I not
surprised that Josh Powell's family would want to blame others and make excuses
for Josh's evil actions? If I were related to Josh Powell I'd never admit it.
I hate attorneys because all of them are totally inhuman. Nothing justifies
murdering your kids. If he killed himself only, then this would be a more valid