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Published: Wednesday, Feb. 8 2012 5:11 p.m. MST

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lket
Bluffdale, UT

its fuuny that arepulican is putting this biil up and hie own shoots it down. it is sad. the only reason to not use e-verify is to pay low wages and make profit.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Chalk another one for the Gadianton Businessmen.

Sandstrom has it right to penalize the businesses that hire illegals, and refuse to use E-verify.

Take away the incentives, and the problem will self correct.
as opposed to
Rewarding those who knowingly keep breaking the law -- those who come inlliegally, and those who exploit and use them to their greedy advantage.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

Some of us who follow the immigration issue closely will be checking which of the legislators voted AGAINST Utah legal citizens today.

They can EXPECT competition in their re-election attempts!

There's ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for allowing illegal immigrant trespassers to take Utah jobs.

RichardB
Murray, UT

We need this bill. Many legislatures need this bill to keep their seats come November. The backlash is coming.

If we get one immigration bill this year, let this one be it. Stop allowing business to control our lives and immigration.

cleancutmatt
West Jordan, UT

Way to go representatives! We should have representatives who focus on treating the root causes of inequality in the systems in our and Foreign (in this case Mexico) governments and not treating this on a symptoms-solution approach.

RichardB
Murray, UT

If the Republicans don't help clean up the mess they made last year with immigration, I will be voting straight Democrat this year.

This is an honest bill that helps solve the problem, now and in the future. It has already been approved by the Supreme court. Why are they so afraid of it? Because it's honest and doesn't favor dishonest business owners?

Wasn't this a part of Sandstroms bill that was killed? That's why he is filing it late. Only one more vote is needed, is there an honest man in those 37?

SLars
Provo, UT

We need patriotic leaders that won't sell out their countries sovereignty for cheap labor.

It's not America's job to fix other countries problems.

Give us E-verify and enforcement provisions, or be gone in November.

RRB
SLC, UT

It keeps getting worse and worse as a group of our leaders do everything they can to extend the illegal activity, and taxpayer subsidized illegal labor.

With our servicemen coming home, we need these jobs. We need this law. Where is the Patriotism in this state?

watchman
Salt Lake City, UT

It is sad that we still have so many legislators that do not understand the real scope of this problem which is unscrupulous employers that hire illegals at very low wages.

This practice encourages other illegals to come while it takes the jobs of American citizens. I hope that voters remember who voted against this bill when voting time comes around again.

sg
newhall, CA

Yes, it is about time to call to carpet all businesses that hire illegals. There should be a law forcing them to verify citizenship. We the people are tired of seeing jobs going to illegals. We get rid of this "reason" to stay stateside and illegals will stay in their own country because they won't be able to work under the table. In addition, a law should be enacted whereby ID's should be required at the polling booths. Illegal voter fraud is rampant in our elections. Why is it that our country decries such fraud globally but refuses to put into affect safeguards necessary to avoid voter fraud. We are truly hypocrits.

RRB
SLC, UT

"Sandstrom argued that lawmakers must revisit E-Verify to bring Utah in line with a recent U.S. Supreme Court ruling that fining businesses that don't comply is unconstitutional."

correction: they found it constitutional.

Several bills were brought before the house and passed before Sandstroms.

As for Lockhart's comment. Yes this is an issue that needs to be pushed through. To many of your constituents it is very important. This is something that has been approved by the Supreme court. Where the other bills like Rep. Wrights will be a waste of time if the Supreme court rules against states.

For those that have lost jobs to illegal aliens in construction etc. for those that have their id stolen, for those looking for work, it needs to be pushed through. For these people we are pressed for time. For the dishonest businessmen, I can understand why they want things to remain as they are.

danaslc
Kearns, UT

Watch the votes folks. You can go to the Utah State Legislature's home page to see who votes for or against. This will show us where those we vote in stand. Lets hope it is with the citizens in 2012 and not the businessmen. Last year the capital stood with the businessmen. Fool me once, Fool me twice, Fool me three times, shame on me. I am not giving them a third time. My vote will be cast to vote them out.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

To me, Gov. Herbert is the BIGGEST player "dropping the ball" in this issue.

He SHOULD be leading any and all immigration enforcement measures.

Why isn't he?

We're spending upwards of 400 million on freebies for illegal immigrant trespassers.
Thats 400 million that COULD go to meet the needs of actual Utah citizens. Do the legislators NOT notice they would have "extra" funds if they did everything they could to actually enforce immigration laws?
The added "bonus" would be that LEGAL residents could have jobs!

Maybe its time to elect a new governor?

Hunt
Spanish Fork, UT

I am very disappointed in the cowardness demonstrated by the Republicans in the legislature after they were told loud and clear by their representatives to repeal HB116 and enact real immigration reform which includes holding law breaking employers feet to the fire. If nothing is done I say we throw the lot of them out and replace them with representatives who are more concerned about the will of those who elected them and less concerned about supporting special interest.

Canyontreker
TAYLORSVILLE, UT

A bill for more government regulations on small businesses during a recession. My hope is for small business and entrepreneurs to get the economy going again, to be profitable and paying taxes on their increases.

There has to be other ways to check legalization than pushing more regulations on small business. Utah is #4 in most business friendly for a reason and one big reason I left California. I like this legislature.

Razzle2
Bluffdale, UT

A poorly written bill that was smacked down by the State. Good job.

Technically, I don't have any employees. Under this economy it's tough to make ends meet. But, under this bill I have to verify everything I outsource daily on each bid from web design, professional consulting, package delivery, etc. That is a lot of extra time each week and would really hurt my small at home business and my only income.

Say NO to more government regulations on my business.

My2Cents
Taylorsville, UT

What does immigration and E-verify have in common? Immigration is immigration, not jobs or employment under the federal labor laws. Immigration laws are not broke and no reform or adjustments to it are needed, there is nothing wrong with our laws unless you are an illegal who faces the wrath of the people of this country. Foreign nationals have no right to question, challenge, or make demands of this country and our laws.

This state bill falls in the authority of the federal labor laws that prohibits any business in the United States from employing illegal and undocumented individuate and we have every right to punish business and employers who violate the federal labor laws. Every employer in Utah must obey the minimum wage laws as well as other stipulations of the Federal Labor Act that prohibits employers to employ illegal workers.

The Federal Labor Act also makes it illegal for employers to seek out, import illegal labor, or exports its business to take advantage of slave labor in other countries, including China.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

Obviously these businesses feel they need people that will work at menial jobs, be grateful for it and take pride in that job. Not look at it as a stepping stone to something better. Not that taking a menial job and looking to better yourself beyond that is bad, it isn't its a good thing. But so is taking pride in whatever job you have and doing a good job, a good thing.

Our economy benefits when we have team players who are willing to give their all, and be diligent at their job. It benefits us all.

jim l
West Jordan, UT

What is the hb# for this legislation? I need to see how my rep. voted. We need E-verify for every single employee.

Ironmomo
Ogden, Utah

Does Sandstrom know how to use a calendar? Doesnât he own a watch? If this was such an important bill, what precluded him from filing it on time? Sandstrom was an architect. I wonder as a business man did he turn in his proposals for projects 5 days late and expect to be treated equally? Did he give the building owners there drawings and specifications 5 days late and expect to be paid? There is no excuse for filing his bill late.

Second, what good will Sandstromâs bill do? It only applies to businesses who have 15 or more employees. Whatâs to prevent a business owner, with more than 15 employees, from fracturing and restructuring his/her business into multiple businesses with less than 15 employees each and getting separate business licenses without using e-verify?

Why are agricultural employers, the ones who employ the most illegal aliens in this state, exempt?

What keeps a business owner from claiming his business is agricultural in nature?

What stops an employer from laying of illegal aliens during the month he applies for his business license and then rehiring all the illegal aliens he wants the after getting his business license?

Sounds to me like Sandstrom should table his bill, put a little thought into the multiple loopholes it has and then refile it next yearâ¦..perhaps on time.

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