Funeral for Charlie and Braden Powell set for Saturday
If the dispatcher really knew the whole situation the story would have been
different. The Child Protective Services person may not have know the whole
story, either. If the case worker knew the whole story she would not have
stated the actions the way she did. She may not have known the history of Josh
Powell. She didn't use his name in the communication that I heard. With as
much publicity that this case may have had over 2 years, in Utah and in
Washington, those two people, should have known. The case worker's supervisor
would hopefully not have agreed to the case worker going to a private house. A
private house that was newly occupied by the father due to a judge's order. She
probably didn't know the case history. If she did, she would have communicated
that to the dispatcher, who would have been more motivated to move on it. With
so many false calls that dispatchers receive and deal with, that is also part of
this. The real issue is the Judge and Child Protective Services failed to
analyze this case. Piece by piece Josh was an accident waiting to happen, with
or without children involved. He chose to take them down in an evil and
disgusting way. He appears to never have been a real father for the 2-3 year
old kid and his older brother when the mother departed this life. The crying
brother makes me sick to my stomach when I think of that.
The judge definitely didn't follow the common sense of this case, whether it was
dictated by law or not. If she reviewed all the hearings, inquiries, requests,
deliberation, investigation and even put her ear on the railroad track to listen
for the approaching trains, she would have known the children were never
protected while in his care. Parents have rights but they also have
responsibilities. Josh was never a responsible parent during these 2 years. He
had more than ample chance to talk to the investigators and people that cared
about his wife, Susan. Whether he was guilty or not, he never talked with
investigators about his precious to the kids, mother. He never showed remorse.
Even during the last hearing, he looked tormented and distraught from pictures.
The Washington Children Protection Services not only jeopardized those children
by not questioning why they were going to Josh's home when he was to submit to a
psychosexual evaluation before being around the kids. Child Protective Services
also sent their employee into a potential hot box without appropriate protection
when they could have had an accompanied visitation in another secure location.
The Cox's don't have money to push this type of case nor probably the energy but
our own children and grandchildren should not be jeopardized like this again
when the system broke down, link by link. The chain broke.
NeilT: "Unfortunately it appears the police dispatcher is incompetent.
There is no excuse for not immediately dispatching the police to the scene. This
needs to be further investigated."I am always so angered by how
often this happens.There are certain self-important dispatchers who
think they are the ones in charge, and carry on at great length before they will
send help.You hear it on the news in many released 911 call
recordings in prominent dramatic cases: the condescending, bored, often
low mentality-sounding dispatcher asks the same question over and over, or tries
to engage the caller in ridiculous time-wasting dialog, or lazily assures the
caller that help will be on the way after answering all these
"important" questions--or in this case, says life-threatening
emergency calls are more important. They are not the ones to
determine if a call is warranted.They are to 'dispatch'--the word
means prompt or speedy.If they need extra information, they can ask
for it and relay it after the appropriate authorities have been dispatched on
their way.Send police, fire or ambulance and let those professionals
determine the course of action.
I was in shock when I heard this news. I cannot understand how someone can do
this, especially your own wife and children. I am just as angry as everyone on
this site. I think we also need to remember when a family member commits a crime
it affects that persons family also. It is hard to imagine someone you grew up
with doing things like this. Everyone is hurting now. Please just let them
deal with this without heaping blame here and there. I know Josh Powell killed
his own children and I'm sure he killed his wife. HE is responsible for this.
Hindsight is 20/20. This was not the Social Worker's fault. She really loved
those kids. Did you hear she had already bought them a birthday present. You
can hear in the 911 tapes how upset she was that Josh had the kids alone and one
of them was crying. I can look back and say I should have done this or
that in my life. We all can.
All of you. Stop judging people, stop talking about things you know nothing
about. I am so sick of the "We all know he did it" bit. You know
nothing, the police knew nothing or they would have charged him and had 24 hour
watch on him. I am so sick of the judgmental people on this chat topic it makes
The surviving members of Josh Powell's immediate family need to come to terms
with reality before anybody else gets hurt. Porn, dominance, child porn,
torture, and murder, while harboring a murderer, are all highly unusual,
unnormal behaviors. Steve Powell has hurt innocent children. I'd hate to say
it, but it's time to question the remaining family members before somebody else
The statement that made my sick to my stomach was "I'm really shocked and I
can hear one of the kids crying, But he still wouldn't let me in" I cannot
imagine what those young children went through, was he crying because he was in
pain or because he saw his father hit his brother with a hatchet. Josh is 100%
to blame he has caused more pain to Susan, the Boys and their loved ones than
anybody should have to endure.
What is wrong with our system? Send a social worker alone to a suspected
murderers house (we all know he killed his wife) with 2 young boys. I feel for
the social worker, it is not her fault. She was doing what was asked. It is
just complete stupidity to put those kids in harms way and I fully blame this on
the state of Washingon. I have to hold back what I really feel about the poor
choice that was because my comment would be filtered from this message board.
This so could have been avoided. I am happy that at least the 2 boys are in a
better place right now than all of us. May they rest in peace and God bless the
What an awful act. What an evil man. This is 100% his fault.
@Maudine What I am saying is that in some states supervised visisted are done
at the child proctection Divison Office to procect the children. I believe that
this case was handle the wrong way and they need to change how they handle
supervised visit in the future to prevent the lost of life. The Powell family
need to look that took the life of his children and stop blaming others. From
the start of this whole matter Josh has been dodging the system and failed to
work with the law enforcement to find his wife. Now from part of this article
his son was rermembering that his mother was in the trunk of the family car, but
we will never know now that the boys are dead.
If you look what was happening very recently, Josh Powell was ordered to take a
polygraph to get his kids back. Normally a polygraph is never forced, but I have
an idea that this was an (legal?) end run by prosecutors to either get some
clues about his wife's case or just to see if they could make him panic and
spill the beans. Personally I think authorities should have been prepared for
something like this. I think they tried to smoke him out and it went too far.
To send one lone, unarmed, socialal worker over with these kids, to
visit a man that the authorities believe is a murderer, was not really to
bright. Or safe. Really should have seen something like this coming.
Tragic, simply tragic. Condolences to all who knew these families.Add to this the simply mind-numbing dispatcher's responses. I had to quit
listening. I wanted to reach through the computer, grab him by the throat, and
tell him to be quiet and LISTEN to the social worker!As I listened
the second time I simply could not believe the questions (hyphenated name? two
l's in Powell? color of Prius?) and the questions to which he already had the
answers if he would have listened (you don't live there? he won't let you out
of the driveway? and the dad's last name?)Talk about dotting the
i's and crossing the t's; meanwhile the children's time on this earth is drawing
to a horrid close. Somebody tell me that this dispatcher's response is not SOP.
"She said she received several emails, possibly some starting before
Sunday, about how to pay for his property and utilities. She said they
"started awhile ago" and she didn't think anything much of
them."... and she didn't think anything much of them.Kind of like thinking camping in the middle of winter with two little boys,
Susan's flirtatiousness with her father-in-law, and Josh not helping the WVC
police department find his wife is all just 'normal' behavior that all ends
rationally with a murder suicide.Wow, and a faithful sister that
blames everything on someone other than Josh... can you still believe this? Inconceivable
Josh Powell is the only responsible person in this tragedy. Unfortunately it
appears the police dispatcher is incompetent. There is no excuse for not
immediately dispatching the police to the scene. This needs to be further
Re:Love UtahHer guilt for not reporting it sooner or realizing the
significance may well be why she is blaming others, although the story states
her 911 call might have actually come before the fire. I listened to the 2
dispatcher calls, though and both show they could be better listeners,
particularly the male (He was under no stress, but had to ask for Josh Powell's
name THREE TIMES) so even if she had reported it, who knows how much urgency, if
any, would have been used in dealing with the information. The cops never
showed up until the fire was going and the CPS worker was down three houses down
Before you heap scorn on Alina and Michael Powell, consider how much they've had
to suffer because of other people's bad decisions. Their dad's in jail, their
brother shocked the world with his heinous actions, their nephews are gone, and
their sister-in-law's whereabouts are still a mystery. Few of us can imagine
burdens of that magnitude. To make matters worse, people are regularly rubbing
salt in these wounds with the hateful, vicious things they say to them and about
them.Forget for a moment what the Powells may have said or done, and
consider their tremendous suffering -- past, present, and future -- because of
the bad choices of others around them. The readership of this newspaper is
predominantly religious; as with all situations, our challenge is to practice
what we preach: repenting, forgiving, refraining from judgment, showing
compassion, loving our neighbor.
My heart aches for the Cox family and for the social worker. She did nothing
wrong. What a nightmare to have to live with.
Am I the only one disturbed by Alina Powell's behaviour?"She
said she received several emails, possibly some starting before Sunday, about
how to pay for his property and utilities. She said they "started awhile
ago" and she didn't think anything much of them."Alina
Powell should have reported these emails to the authorities straight away, which
would have proved her brother was unstable and unfit to have the kids in his
home. It's too late now, but Alina Powell will have to live with the knowledge
that she was negligent by withholding information, that may have kept those kids
safe. She chose to keep it to herself. Instead she blames everyone else, just
like Josh Powell did. Look in the mirror.
@ Trooper55: Child Protection Services can only act within the law. They do
not have the right to change a court order or insist upon steps the court didn't
mandate.@ skinny tires fat skis: The Chief of Police conducted an
investigation. When you get a search warrant, that is a matter of record and
is, unfortunately, usually very easy for the media to get information about.
When you have a team of men searching an area, it is going to get out that you
are doing a search. The police chief did his job, and he followed the law while
he was doing it.The only person in this case who has blood on his
hands is Josh - he is the one that chose to commit the crimes. No one else is
Josh's dad is the key to this case. Most likely, Josh told him the whereabouts
of Susan's body.
'chop injuries to the head and neck of the 5 year old'? A hatchet was found.
What a monster. Any more Josh Powell defenders out there? How disgusting.
Oh, and I guess the neighbor ladies and girls of Steve Powell caused Steve to
take pics of them without them knowing. Alina, your family is weird and sick.
Josh's sister blames everyone BUT Josh. So far the Powell family are all
A millstone hung around Josh Powell's neck and cast into the deepest depths of
the ocean is too good for this evil person. From what I have read about his
father, it is no wonder Josh was so cowardly, wicked and evil. Anyone who would
speak up to defend him is just as evil as he was.
For the Powell family to blame anyone other than Josh is ridiculous. The
horrific manner that he took their lives does not speak of a father who truly
loved his children. More like a narcissist. And frankly that is reflected from
the top down in that family......those poor boys never had a chance.
The WVC police chief has blood on his hands. He had to make this
investigation a witch hunt. He had to repeatedly and very publicly search for
and repeatedly and very publicly fail to find the body, or any evidence for that
matter, of the alleged wrong doing. I think he should lose his job for such
outrageous conduct. He jeopardized the outcome of the case and in hindsight,
the lives of the boys and Josh. Imagine if Josh was driven to the edge by the
constant suspicion. Obviously he was mentally unstable, the Chief's tactics may
have been just enough to push Josh over the edge. Logic 101 says go privately
gather the evidence, build your case, and then press your charges when you can
prove something. Don't try to prosecute your case in the press. The Chief's
conduct through this whole thing is completely unbelievable, unprofessional and
irresponsible.God forbid Susan Powell isn't even dead and the poor
fool really was telling the truth, but just snapped under the pressure.
What a supremely selfish thing to do. "If I can't have my kids, then nobody
can." This shines a new light on his earlier comments that he could never
hurt Susan. Gas + fire + hatchet...on two innocent little boys...his own
flesh.I'm glad God will judge him because mercy seems hard to find
Sorry "Alina" blaming is irrational - like killing your children
brutally and then yourself.No one is to blame but Josh, yes Josh.
Josh started all of it.Josh ended all of it.Blaming is just dishonest. But then this whole thing has been dishonest
hasn't it?'I'm sensing a pattern with Josh, his sister, his brother,
his father. Sad.
The media DID NOT cause Josh to do what he did. It is irresponsible to even
conceive of such a thing.
Sound to me like the Child Procetiton Service should have used their Office
after the court order to elvate Josh Powells's physoc condition, it should have
sent red flags to them. It's a sad lost to both grandparents and my heart and
prayers go out to them. I believe that Josh Powell knew they where closing in on
him and took the coward way out. He also took the lifes of his two children that
tells me he wasn't in the right mind. Everybody believes that the media caused
this wrong. I believe that Josh Powell had everything to do with his wife's
death and the death of his children and now I doubt if we will ever have all the
answers, or find Susan Powell's body.
What he did not realize before he killed his sons, but now knows is the fact
that he will now never live with his sons. He sealed his fate for the eternities
and it is not with his wife or his children. Murderers go to a special place
that innocent children will never go. He will most likely be in or near outer
darkness while his children and his wife will be together forever.
Re: "I'm not able to live without my sons . . . ."Better
get used to it.There's a special place in Hades reserved for people
who do what he did to innocent children [and spouses, too].And they
don't allow innocent children there.
I never even met Josh Powell but I think I dislike him more than I've ever
disliked anyone before.