Actually, Romney does get handouts: corporate welfare. Bain Capital received
tax subsidies--so Mitt Romney did get a handout, and all the people in this
State got a handout from other States that get out less than what they pay
in.Let me head off the old predictable tired argument that 48% don't
pay taxes--yes they do. They pay sales taxes, FICA taxes, etc. If they are too
poor to pay more, we should not try to get blood out of a turnip. How about
ending loopholes and having the same set of rules for everyone with a fair and
progressive tax scale. I don't use the freeways as much as a corporation, so
they should pay a higher proportion to help repair them. No more free rides for
the aristocrats.Thanks for pointing out the truth Pagan, but I am
sure these headlines aren't on the Drudge Report and will be dismissed as the
Liberal Mainstream Media, lol. D-News part of the liberal media--makes me
laugh. GOOD TIMES!
We take federal money for roads and floods. However, we wont take any for
education. In Utah we like to increase the work load, but don't compensate for
it. A 1% raise of the wages paid educators in Utah, is still going to be a
increase on the worst wages paid in the U.S. 1% wont matter because the
educators will get a 3% increase in health insurance cost. The wages in Utah are
going backwards, except for the 1% on top.
Doug10: For every 10 gallons of oil created from oil shale, it take 9 gallons to
develop it. The energy yield is horrible. It requires a lot of water, something
the Uintah basin doesn't have an excess of. And finally, it creates horrible
pollution. No thanks.Oil shale isn't a cure, it's the worst part of the
disease. Develop alternatives now. If Herbert had any insight, that's what
he would be pushing, not oil shale.
Did Herb hate the Fed when his twin, George Bush was back there?Why is
State Government any better than the Fed? He's a hypocrite if he believes he's
just fine running a government while the Fed, doing the exact same thing, is
'Anybody ever notice how the tax and spend liberal democrats...' - Flying Finn |
11:36 a.m. Jan. 26, 2012 That's funny! That is SERIOUSLY
funny! Since George W. Bush signed: The Wall Street
Bail out: **'Bush signs $700 billion bailout bill' - AP - Published
by Denver Post - By Tom Raum - 10/03/08 The Auto bail outs: **'Bush signs $17.4 billion auto industry bailout package' - By Nelson Ireson
- Motor Authority - 12/19/08 The unfunded, war in Iraq:
"The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological
weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons.' - George W. Bush - Ohio Speech
10/7/2002 **'Cost Of Wars In Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan To Reach
$3.7 Trillion' - By Elise Foley - Huffington Post - 06/29/11 And
DOUBLED, the national debt. Something no one can say Obama, has
actually done yet. But it's 'tax and spend'... liberal
democrats. Bail out Twinkies next... and tell me how
DEMOCRATS, spend too much. Or how 'big goverment'...
should 'stay out of our lives.' **Utah to receive $60M in USDA
disaster aid to states By Bill Draper AP Published by Dsnews 01/18/12 Sarcasm.
'The percentage I paid is taxes is strictly between me and the IRS.' - Rifleman
| 10:57 a.m. Jan. 26, 2012 Ah. So you can make the CLAIM... but when called out on it, you 'can't offer any specific's.' Good thing your not running for PUBLIC, office. Right? **'Romney opens up a bit more to media scrutiny' - By Charles Babington - AP
- Published by DSNews - 12/07/11'Numerous Romney supporters had
expressed concern over reports of him dodging reporters.' Because,
we both know public 'servants'... are supposed to answer, to the
people. **'Romney campaign battles Dems, Press over issue of
transparency' - By Barrett Haake - NBC News - 11/17/11 "There
it was this morning, on the front page of the Boston Globe, a headline no
campaign ever wants to read: Before leaving office, Romney staff wiped
records." Perfeclty legal. Ethical? Well....
Anybody ever notice how the tax and spend liberal democrats are always worried
about how much taxes somebody else pays? If they do not like how much Gov.
Romney pays then they should change the tax code. That isn't going to happen
because it would take more money out of the pockets of the greedy legislators on
both sides of the aisle.
One thing that Utah does come rain, snow, sunshine and even windstorms, is they
have such a high volunteerism rate. That is due to the hearts and souls of many
people that have families and friends around the world. I can see the yellow
shirted volunteers in videos and live news shorts. This spirit also helps an
economy not having to dig into the local and state taxes to do the caring type
of work of digging or salvaging people out of problems. What a blessing we have
in Utah. After living in other states and countries for about 25 years, there
is no place like the United States of America for helping others, especially
those in need. Serving others, whether with money, time, talents and just hard
work, is what our people share from their hearts. We have so many good people
in our state that serve us, whether in the schools, churches, community
organizations and even from the national level public and private groups. Utah
politics is not as diverse as we sometimes need and allows some in power to
think they can end run around all our great people through accepted national
level politics, stymying volunteers/groups.
Re: Pagan | 10:37 a.m. Jan. 26, 2012 "You, pay 14% in
taxes...?"The percentage I paid is taxes is strictly between me
and the IRS. Suffice it to say I paid every penny I owed .... and not one red
'We both pay our taxes...' - Rifleman | 8:59 a.m. Jan. 26, 2012 You,
pay 14% in taxes...? **Romney paid $3M in federal income tax in 2010
By Stephen Braun AP Published by DSNews 01/24/12 At the same
time, Romney gave nearly $3 million to charity about half of that amount to the
Mormon Church which helped LOWER his effective tax rate to a modest 14
percent...' - article You pay less taxes than... **Stop
coddling the Super-Rich By Warren E. Buffett NY Times 08/14/2011
But what I paid was only 17.4 percent of my taxable income and thats actually a
lower percentage than was paid by any of the other 20 people in our office.
Their tax burdens ranged from 33 percent to 41 percent and averaged 36 percent.
- article Warrent Buffett's staff.
My neighbors in Davis county did a great job cleaning up after the windstorm;
still, the city of Bountiful incurred lots of expenses. But this Republican
bastion city wasted no time asking for Fed emergency money to pay that
multimillion-dollar bill. Dear ol' Grandpa Fed -- you hate him until you need
'Herbert touts Utah's economy, blasts feds in State of the State speech' -
Title And yet: **'Herbert seeks disaster declaration for
Utah as a result of floods' - By Amy Joi O'Donoghue - DSNews - 01/21/11 **'Gov. Herbert declares state of emergency as 2011 flood season nears climax
By Ladd Brubaker DSNews 06/27/11 Majority of Utah's lawmakers are
FIRST IN LINE.... for federal dollars. **Utah to receive
$60M in USDA disaster aid to states By Bill Draper AP Published by Dsnews
01/18/12 I am really getting sick of the Republican party constantly
rallying against 'big goverment'... and then CONSTANTLY asking for
the federal goverments, help. **'Rick Perry (R-Gov./Tx), After
Raising Secession, Calls For Fed Help With Swine Flu' - Huffington Post -
04/27/09 What is this? A Double Standard.
Re: Doug10 | 9:21 a.m. Jan. 26, 2012 Unlike our liberal sister state
of California Utah does not have to pay interest on a $40,000 million ($40B)
debt. Instead of pay interest on that debt the liberals in California could be
spending the money on education.People who understand interest earn
it while fools that don't pay it.Maybe Utah is not so
unsophisticated after all.
Re:RiflemanAs a Christian and Mormon I am very disappointed in Romney. He
is not being truthful when he tries to portray his income as
"double-taxed." it is the same as saying we are "
double-tithed" if we pay tithing on our paycheck and then more tithing on
the money we earned by investing in the stock market. A portion of the money he
earns gets special tax treatment not available to others who essentially do the
same thing. Congress was set to address this "loophole" in 2007, but
encountered massive opposition from hedge funds and private equity firms,
including Bain Capital. Furthermore, on the campaign trail, he
talks about the people who don't pay federal income tax (most of whom make less
than $33,000) as being unfair. He and Republicans believe lower income earners
aren't paying enough--although as a percentage of income they pay more in taxes
than the wealthy. This runs counter to Christian values. The wealthy defend
their special tax treatments and advocate for increasing the burden on low
Rifleman, actually if you live in Utah then you get all the money you paid in so
you dont' owe a thank you but what was not mentioned (surprise) in the state of
state speech is you also get money from California, Florida and Arizona and
other states that produce more taxes than they receive..that is where you owe
thanks.Herbert is governor of a state where education is nearly a
sham, so he offers up a 1% pay increase for teachers. I am thinking that should
take the state from 43rd to maybe 42nd where Utah can be a shining example to
other states, or not. Herbert also says he is pro active business
but alas when he had the chance to develop oil shale reserves in eastern Utah,
he chose not to. Other similar deposits are now producing 1 million barrels of
oil every day. At a 3% royalty Utah would have to figure a way to spend an
additional $350,000,000 annually. Incidentally that would also provide many
jobs for thousands.Step up governor and make a difference,
mediocrity does not fit you well.
Typical Utah politician.
You want to know why Utah's economy is so much more stable. The mormon church
putting billions of dollars into the economy(see city creek mall) and other
ventures that they are involved in. City Creek was sort of an unintentional(or
maybe inspired who knows?) stimulus package. They are not as layoff happy as
most companies and employee a ton of people. Plenty of other conservative states
are crashing and burning, what's the difference. Most, if not all states, lack a
large non government entity willing to put massive cash into the economy.
Re: williary | 8:13 a.m. Jan. 26, 2012 "If you don't like paying
taxes, LEAVE"Mitt Romney and I both have a couple of things in
common: We both pay our taxes without complaint, and neither of us depend upon
the federal government for cradle to grave handouts.The federal
dollars we receive are no gift. It is money they got from us. No "thank
you" is required.
@RiflemanAs Mitt said the other day, if you don't like America,
LEAVE.If you don't like paying taxes, LEAVE.Nobody is
going to stop you.
I'd loved to have seen Herbert's budgets the last few years without the millions
in Federal dollars coming in. And what is the flat out lie about
the over-reaching, over-regulating federal government causing most of the harm
to Utah's economy?I understand politics, and it's always nice to
throw your party a bone, but that's just a flat out lie.Sorry Gov,
but it was the un-regulated, un-filtered, un-monitored, greed housing
industry/Wall Street that caused a Depression. Remember that Gary? It's pathetic that someone in his position can just make up history.Actually, it's pathetic that someone like him is in that position.
The Fed is a big employer in Utah, one reason more federal dollars flow into
Utah than Utah pays in taxes to the fed.Don't bite the hand that
feeds you Herbert.As for the " onerous" and misguided
regulation:No doubt there may be some stupid regulations, but the U.S. is
rated as one of the easiest countries to do business in. Regulation and
taxes aren't the reason jobs are going overseas. Jobs are going overseas due to
wage rates and new markets. Brazil, China and India have extremely complex
climates for business in terms of tax structure and regulations.
So, here we go.....again, the same old toxic whining crybabies (Litvack et al)
pushing their agenda by divisive accusations and destructive attempts at log
jamming..again the process so nothing gets done other then what they
want...well, it has, fortunately only had minimal impact in the past, but I am
sure with the progressive DNC led by Mr. Obama[s] media (anti-[Utah] nuclear}
network they will make sure the divisive political vindictiveness against Utah
will continue only this time with increased hatred and deception until Utah is
verbally battered in to submission to the mind and will of the socially
progressive national, windmill, solar energy establishment who will not be happy
until they have total and complete unionized, monopolistic [power/energy] that
has and is bankrupting many states, except North Dakota.Think
again...that is not going to happen no matter how many false anti-capitalism
creeds and social progressive programs designed to weaken the economy of the
state being spewed by the divisive agendas of the national progressives.Where is the preached civility and unity?
Don't bite the hand that feeds you, Governor Herbert. And if you're so hot on
'local control', stop letting the Legislature tell the cities what to do about
every little law.
Using an address to the State to align yourself with your base to survive your
Primary--shameful. Without the Federal Government and dollars, this State would
collapse. Meanwhile States that get less federal dollars than they pay in do so
because they believe in the Nation as a whole.Governor Herbert, do
what's best for Utah, period. Use a State of the State speech to inform us, not
pander to the extreme right wing and fan the flames of ignorance and hatred.
Selfishness and Greed, those are the ways of the Tea Party.
Leave us alone Feds, unless of course we here in the great state of Utah have a
flood year like last, then we want more Fed Disaster Money than any other state
in the Nation! But beware Feds, Gov. Herbert's gonna complain about federal
over reach while he cashes the $60.3 million dollar check. We're #1! What's
next Gov. Herbert? Do you want Utah to Secede from the Union?
Governors Leavitt, Huntsman, and Walker stood the line on transporting nuclear
items to Utah. I guess with Governor Herbert's taking money for the Utah County
CORE project and giving $13 million to the contractor who didn't get the bid,he
knows that those people will be supporting his election process with even more.
They like their man in the bag that they have. Others will follow suit to help
the Interim Governor win, AGAIN. Thank goodness it is an election this year and
not in two years from now. Governor Herbert's speech was similar to
Obama's speech, even though on different topics, they were patting themselves on
the back and Obamacare and Core projects are similar in how they went down, in
my mind. Not pure integrity and full of character on either one's watch. I
believe the legislature in Utah still seems to be independent from the
Governor's wishes not like the Senate and House in Washington the first two
years of Obama's term. We need to make sure the Utah Legislature keeps
independence in the future as we still maintain a balance in the Executive,
Legislative and Court structure. We still need to careful of Federalism for
Re: one old man | 9:42 p.m. Jan. 25, 2012 "(But please don't stop
sending those Federal dollars this way.)"The federal government
can't give anything to the people that they don't take from them first. Those
are OUR dollars that they return to us .... with strings attached.
"...stop the senseless flow of onerous and misguided regulation from our
nation's capitol."I guess the clean air laws requiring Utah to
clean up its coal-fired power emissions and make its air more healthy for
citizens is bad for business. Didn't eBay almost not come to Utah,
citing air quality as a major sticking point in their decision? They didn't
want lost productivity over employee illness/healthcare costs due to Utah's
unhealthy air.I wonder how many other businesses turn their nose
away from Utah due to our reputation for bad air...
Oh, the bad ol Feds! They are such an convenient target to politically demonize.
Herbert is just pandering to his reactionary right wing base. If Utah hates the
Feds it's because Utahan's have been inundated and indoctrinated with
reactionary right wing propaganda worthy of Goebbels and the Third Reich.
This man is worse than Romney with all his 2 step dancing around the ObamaNomics
he is a big fan of.Federal funds are 90% of his budget and the other
10% is taxes from the half the working pay. His comment about government not
growing? Another lie, government, education, and health care spending has
exponentially expanded and at the same time poverty has become the occupation of
education. A little thing like inflation guarantees government growth and more
consumer poverty.Our federally funded jobs are all on the brink of
being canceled and he and the legislators have not made any plans for when this
state looses all it federal funds for UDOT, UTA, TRAX, Police and Fire
departments, Education, Airport, TSA jobs. The loss of federal funds for the
chemical disposal ending really has him worried so what's going to happen when
he tells the federal government to keep their money and blackmail contracts,
Utah can do without it. Federal funds are not automatic replaceable budget
funding and the Party is over and so is Herbert as governor.With
100,000 more poverty jobs added in recent years, poverty and socialism cannot
sustain any government.
Yeah, the feds are an easy target. But, it's amazing how the concept of
"local control" quickly gets lost on Herbert and our legislators when
they force unwanted laws on cities and counties.
We hate the FEDS in Utah. (But please don't stop sending those Federal dollars
"election year kickoff" anyone? oh wait he is a republican so its just
a good sound state of the state address right? hypocrisy I know your name and it
is Deseret News.
More pointless posturing about the Federal Government? Please get over it.
I would love to see him try to do it without the Fed's money. Utah is a net
receiver of funds - it gets more than it pays. Full disclosure - so does North
Carolina as do 30 other states. As my dad always said "if your using my
money, I get a say in how it is used". It was one of my biggest incentives
to be self reliant. This only counts direct money spend. It
doesn't include indirectly funded jobs by the Fed.So the other thing
my dad used to say is "be very careful what you ask for because you might
just get it". This particularly applies to Utah. The
stability and "keep the lights on" funding of the Fed may not be
exciting, but the actually do provide some much needed funds to most
If Gary thinks re-election is in the bag, think again! You crossed the line by
allowing Energy Pollutions to dump nuclear waste in our backyard. At one time
NUCLEAR WASTE WAS ILLEGAL TO TRANSPORT IN UTAH! We were proud to be a state that
said NO! Instead you've helped set this great state up to become a nuclear dump.
Thanks for nothing Gary.UTAH IS NOT FOR SALE!