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BYU football: Theodore King liked visit to BYU, weighing committing to the Cougars

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  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Jan. 20, 2012 8:50 p.m.

    Seems like a good recruit. Best wishes.

    ====
    I had heard a lot of things about Mormons wrong things, it turns out. I heard that everyone was like robots there and it was just like Jesus, Jesus, Jesus!
    -Theodore King

    Of all the "bad" things he could hear, thinking Mormon's were all about "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus" doesn't seem so bad. In fact, I would consider that part a compliment.

    But if you don't mind, I gotta go oil my joints...

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 20, 2012 7:53 p.m.

    @DU
    Got to admit you're as solid as a rock and just as displacing in a pool of water.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    Jan. 20, 2012 3:25 p.m.

    Naval,
    Rivals, or Scout. That's your opinion, which has been my point all along. Until they finish their senior year, we will never really know who has the better class. By the way, I am happy with 2 or 3 star recruits as long as they turn out like Chad Lewis, Dennis Pitta, Max Hall, Austin Collie, etc. I don't hear any Utah fans complaining that 2 star recruit Eric Weddle was on the team. A lot of 2 and 3 star recruits go on to be All Americans.

    Also, of course you prefer Rivals; when you have on the Crimson glasses, who wouldn't. Just as I prefer Scout when looking at things through my blue glasses.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 20, 2012 12:25 p.m.

    Cougars1:

    "...just curious, what were you saying the year BYU had a top 25 recruiting class and Utah was 50."

    As for myself, I was thinking how seriously inaccurate a rating publication Scout is. Rivals ranked the Utes #32; the cougs were #40. That sounded a lot more accurate to me.

    Incidently, Utah's 32nd-rated 2010 recruiting class had 23 recruits. The cougars 40th-rated class had 27. So despite having more recruits, they still finished lower in the recruiting class ranking. Perhaps cougar fans justifying Utah's current 27th-ranked class as being based solely on having more recruits can finally discard that weak excuse. Luckily, cougar fans can still assuage themselves knowing that, at present, you are -- per usual -- out-"2-star recruit"-ing the Utes again. In fact, with your recent push to grab Palepoi and King, you're out-"ZERO-star recuit"-ing the Utes as well. Congratulations!

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    Jan. 20, 2012 11:14 a.m.

    Prowl,

    The returned missionaries that you are talking about have already been counted in previous recruiting classes. If you are counting them towards this year's class, you shouldn't count Mangum, your most prized recruit, and several others in this class as they are heading on a missions and will not be suiting up in Aggie (yes, BYU stole USU colors) blue this year. Which is it?

    You can't have it both ways, gent.

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 10:09 p.m.

    Papa Smurf UTE | 11:44 a.m. Jan. 19, 2012
    Herriman, UT
    Where's Stockton,

    Where do you get your info? You said:

    Utah doesn't have any better grasp this year on recruiting over BYU. It never has...and I'm sure that it will continue to be that way for a very long time to come.

    Currently Utah has the 28th rated recruiting class in the nation according to Rivals, while BYU is not even ranked in their top 50.

    Smurf Ute,

    You might want to take into consideration that BYU only has 16 scholorships that count towards those rankings while utah currently has 23. The reason BYU has a limited number is because in addition to the 16 high school recruits, they set aside 12 scholorships for returning missionarys. So in reality BYU is getting 28 total players, now obviously Heaps transferred so one of the those scholorships is his replacement. Point is when you factor that in Utah really doesn't have much of an advantage on BYU at all, they just had more open scholorships to fill this year.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 8:53 p.m.

    per Cougars1 @ 7:27 p.m. Jan. 19, 2012

    It'll be interesting to see what Jake does w/a coach whose #1 priority is football.

    Or, maybe Jake is all hype & no substance.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 19, 2012 7:50 p.m.

    Coug1
    True...So Noted...it obviously wasn't...would yours be if you were the one trying to squeeze planning, and carrying out a wedding and honeymoon into a small time window crack??? Yes he paid the price...but the sad part is the totally uncalled for drawing in of his family by a handful of radical fans that obviously helped precipitate his leaving...

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 7:27 p.m.

    Stockton,
    I was referring to the fact that Jake was no longer at BYU. His abilities as a qb will play out over time. I don't doubt his talent, I just think his head wasn't in the game for whatever reason.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Jan. 19, 2012 6:45 p.m.

    JohnInSLC | 4:25 p.m. Jan. 19, 2012
    Cottonwood Heights, UT

    "Theyre real people just a bunch of good people who like to live right.

    "Hopefully he's not using Austin Collie's definition. Otherwise he will have to learn the hard way that living right in the LDS faith does not always mean a big win over your rival."

    I've spent more time thinking about your comment than I really think it was worth, and I think you laid an egg with that one.

    How 'bout if we just take him at his word, and that he thinks, as an outsider, that they, both members and non-members, are just a bunch of nice people trying to do the right thing? And that no matter what Austin said, U guys were destined to take offense at whatever he said because he had just torched U.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 19, 2012 6:37 p.m.

    Chrissy...nobody takes you serious...except for a laugh

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 6:36 p.m.

    If he likes byu he must be really neat.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 6:26 p.m.

    Well it would increase the number of "athletes" on byu's team from 6 to 7. That is until the honor code police get him.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 19, 2012 6:07 p.m.

    Cougars1...

    ...the stupidity measurement stickis yet to be unfolded....and who it will be used to measure is yet to be seen Dude...I really think that Heaps was every bit the recruit he was made out to be. I also think the slide he took to have only been a temporary one and was more a combination of his marriage...a sudden change of OC that put him in the hands of a rookie Offensive coach...and the stupidity of some over zealous radical BYU fans that just had to draw Jakes family into the fracus Jake had his priority in the right place. His fiance and his wedding obviously came first. Any true BYU fan that says otherwise is way out of line. Having said that... it's obvious Jake's focus on football would temoprarily be sidelined. Now really how many coaches and top recruits anywhere else would ever find themselves in that type of a scenareo. As was pointed out by another cougar poster in the recent article on Heaps at Kansas...Heaps lost connection with his teammatesover the off season...so his performance and his development fell off...temporarily. Watch...Time will prove it. Jakes a winner!!!

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 5:31 p.m.

    Papasmurf,
    For someone who doesn't put a lot of stock in team rankings for recruits, you sure are putting a lot of stock in team rankings for recruits. Up and up? So, just curious, what were you saying the year BYU had a top 25 recruiting class and Utah was 50. In case you were wondering, that was the year Heaps signed. All those chest thumping BYU fans look pretty stupid now right? Try not to make the same mistake. By the way, UCLA had top 10 classes for 08, 09, and 10. Look how good they were for the past 2 years....oh, wait.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 19, 2012 5:17 p.m.

    Oohhh pa pa
    Funny...I thought Utah did well to come back and win thier bowl game over Goegia Tech...I was rooting for them!!! You've sure got some funny ideas running around inside that head of yours for someone who's supposed to be a true ute fan.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Jan. 19, 2012 5:04 p.m.

    Pappy
    "Playing a Wac light schedule, going 10-3, losing the big games, & being ranked 25th is really not all that fun."And going 8-5 playing a Pac-lite schedule and losing to a 2 win team and finishing unranked is what? really really really really not fun?
    Well in that case, why do you even watch football? How many teams go undefeated every year? With your utesies offensive condition you will never be all warm and fuzzy for the years of Pac basement dwelling to come. While I agree with you on all the BCS bull, I honestly feel sorry for you that an undefeated season or an NC and $$$ are ALL that you count worthy of your attention. It is a darn good thing you aren't an LSU fan, you might have went off the deep end with that double whammy they got. They went undefeated and lost the NC. And were embarrassed in the process. By your criteria, your utesies should give up football all together. They surely are not even going to come close to an NC or going undefeated for a very long time. The rest of the nation huh? I am sure if you talked to Baylor fans they would consider their season a whole lot of fun.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 19, 2012 4:59 p.m.

    Papa...Still a crap shoot until proven on the field... and as far as BYU/Utah goes still the issue of BYU return Missionary talent not being factored in and throwing the 2 year curveball every year. How much measurable density does it take to convince you that your rock won't float. Unless you are a year in year out top 10 program you can't put together enough proven recruiting information to come up with any respectable correlation to predict how well your team is going to do year to year. I'm not advocating that BYU's recruiting is any better than Utah's I'm saying you can't prove that Utah's is any better. It's only measureable at both team's current level of play after these recruits actually play....unless of course you are a consistant 1thru 10 over a proven period of time.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 4:37 p.m.

    Jarka-rus,

    Even the Utes bowl game was worthless, just like BYU's was as well. All of the bowl games are truly worthless. I love the UTES and their BCS wins, and they are better than just the average bowl game, but the NC game and being ranked # 1 at the end of the season is really the only thing that matters. Until they get a playoff, or at the very least a plus one format, these bowl games are just extra games for players to get extra practice, and sponsors to try and make money. The schools lose more money than they take in for a bowl game. If being ranked 25th to end the season keeps you all warm and fuzzy inside Jarka-rus, then have fun with that. The UTES and the rest of the college football nation will continue to try and go undefeated, play in a conference that now lets them compete for a NC, and try to get there. If they fail, so be it. That's what make the journey fun. Playing a Wac light schedule, going 10-3, losing the big games, & being ranked 25th is really not all that fun.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 4:28 p.m.

    Where's Stockton,

    How is Utah's recruiting not on the up and up over Byu? Yes, we can go head to head like you state, but as for now we have to go off what experts are predicting, and they are predicting that the Utes will have a better recruiting class than BYU. All of you fans went goo goo gaa gaa over Crowton his first year, said he was going to be just as good as Lavell, then say it was the down years, which they were. Those games still counted, and Bronco used Crowtons recruits as well to win. It is still 7-10, and 12-20 and so on. You can disagree all you want, but even truthful Y fans know that the UTES recruiting has been on the up and up since the early 90's, and even more so since 2003. So by your judgement then, the Utes have had the better last 2 recruiting classses since we beat you on the field. I guess I will just ahve to wait and see on Spet 15th if we had a better class or not. Your Jaberwalking makes no sense.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 4:25 p.m.

    "Theyre real people just a bunch of good people who like to live right.

    Hopefully he's not using Austin Collie's definition. Otherwise he will have to learn the hard way that living right in the LDS faith does not always mean a big win over your rival.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Jan. 19, 2012 3:07 p.m.

    Pappy smurf

    wow, So rankings mean nothing? uh-huh. If that was true you wouldn't have just went off on some bizarre half page rant. So that BCS you utesies are so fond of, that doesn't use rankings at all in those equations? right? If team A beats a top 25(not top 10) ranked team then that has no bearing what so ever on where that team will be ranked the next week? And unless a team is ranked in the top 10 then they have accomplished nothing cuz the final rankings mean nothing beyond the top 10? wow that is one of the most preposterous statements I have read in a long time. Boy Baylor really was a worthless team that shouldn't even have played a game.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 19, 2012 2:58 p.m.

    Hmmmm well at least I can laugh at myself for my obvious grammatical errors... I meant Utah....go ahead smurffy have your fun...I know it's coming.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 19, 2012 2:55 p.m.

    Papa...
    And I disagree... Utah has no better recruiting on the up and up...whatever you could possibly mean by that rediculous cliche over BYU....the proof of that is always on the field and if you also can bring yourself to recalling it's in the final rankings as well...in which it is BYU and Not BYU leading in that catagory Just in case you haven't figured that out yet bercause of your own fiendish Jabberwaking... it's pretty much been even the past few years. Yes I conceed 7-10 over the last 10 years BYU-Utah rivalry game outcome which includes 3 of the Crowton years but since the 1-10 season and both Bronco's and Kyle's entrance on the stage the recruiting is pretty much neck and neck in the final outcome as the polls indicate and not by crap shooting meaningless recruiting pollss for teams that are both so inferior to SEC giants like Alabama and LSU. Recruiting prowess really only applies to the really big boys...and I'm sorry for both of us but BYU and Utah aren't even close in that respect....and will be for a long...long time.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 2:32 p.m.

    Jaka-rus,

    What does that rankign really mean in the grans scheme of things? Abosolutely nothing. It does not matter if you are ranked 20th, 25th, 35th, or 60th if you dont play and beat the great teams on your schedule. The Utes did the same thing last year. Started 8-0, lost to TCU, ND, and Boise St. Sweet. So what. I would have rather beat one of those 3 teams, and not been ranked at the end of the year, than lose to all 3 of them. You lost to Texas, and Utah (average this year) and TCU, (bit above average) You did not beat any great teams, had a weak schedule, and backed your way into the Top 25 thanks to USC being ineligible. The Utes did the same thing last year. It means nothing. Nothing at all. The Utes and cougs both lost to the good teams. So if you want to gloat, go ahead. That's fine. The Utes were ranked last year, and better than Byu, and we beat you guys, and this year the cougs were ranked and we still beat you. Final rankings mean nothing, unless you are in the top 10.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 2:19 p.m.

    Where's Stockton,

    I am so happy that you got to live close to a class act like Urban. I hope it made you a better person, but judging by your erractic comments and jibber jabber, I dont think it did. Not once did I say that having the higher rated recruiting class made our team better than yours. I stated that we have a better grasp of possibly recruiting better players, and that our recuriting was more on the up and up. Now does having a better rated recruiting class mean we will beat you guys year in and out, no. However, since our recruiting classes have been getting better year in and out, we have won 7 of the last 10. Also, having your recruiting class all set up 2 months before anyone else means nothing. Dont you think USC, Alabama, LSU, Florida, Texas etc. are still going after players and have some schollys to fill? Go look at Rivals, or any recruiting site and see how many teams still have spots to fill. Almost all of them. Some playres make decisions early, but there is some cream of the crop that waits. Now go live by Roscoe.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 19, 2012 2:09 p.m.

    @DU Sorry again to burst your bubble... Blame that on my Boss... URS Washington Group LLC. We do a lot of maintenace and consulting work for British Petroleum/Husky. I was up in the Oilsand fields of Northern Alberta...didn't have the time... to keep track of the ute trollers But...I'm retiring fully soon ...moving back to my hometown area of Payson, Utah. Plenty of time to do that later.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 19, 2012 1:56 p.m.

    @du
    No not really...BYU has made that a habit in that game here as of late...but it usually sets a much better mark to improve from...so with the end results coming out with BYU in the polls and Utah either not or not as well gives plenty of satisfaction....

    ...but having that happen...obviously just chaps someone like yourself...otherwise we wouldn't be having this lovely conversation and listening to you and waiting patiently to see what humerous tidbits you can come up with.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Jan. 19, 2012 1:46 p.m.

    devlishtoto

    So even a beatdown on 9/17 didn't stop the voters from voting the mighty Cougs in to the top 25 and yet not one single vote for the team that won that day, hmmmm. Keep hanging on to that one and only bright spot in your pitiful Pac season.
    You should also tell us when you tuned out the 17-14 loss at HOME to those mighty 2 win Buffs.

    ha ha

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Jan. 19, 2012 1:43 p.m.

    "A kid with great potential should look elsewhere at this time than considering BYU. The "Y" still has a weak schedule ahead of them and the coaching staff need alot of help. Independence has not been the great idea that BYU thought it would be. The program at this point is 2nd tier at best. Good advice would be to take your talent to a program that can help you."

    BYU played a lighter schedule in their first year of Independence. This was to be expected. Furthermore, while 2012's schedule is a significant improvement, it is highly possible this kid wouldn't play until 2013-2014 when the schedule should be even better if 2011 to 2012 is any indication.

    BYU is on ESPN each week and drawing decent ratings (in fact probably better than half of AQ conference schools) even when the competition isn't great. They are also using BYUtv to pickup basketball games the league's (WCC) contract with ESPN does not. 2nd tier? Sounds more like cutting edge.

    Given BYU can get him better exposure than almost any other school and has sent more than a few players to the league it looks like a synergy.

  • JmThms Henderson, NV
    Jan. 19, 2012 1:37 p.m.

    Once again, for those Ute fans that comment on BYU boards and articles, hows that inferiority complex working for ya?

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    Jan. 19, 2012 1:28 p.m.

    Stocky,

    It's been painful for you over the last year, hasn't it? Living with that 44-point beatdown.

    I have observed that it took you a loooooong time to even come back on the boards after 9/17. Interstingly, it took you longer than it took Ducky. One day, you'll be able to tell us if you turned off the game during the 3rd quarter like the rest of the "fans" or whether you continued to watch until the end. If you did, you got to see Sunshine get lit up, fumble, and then chase Fehoko as he ran towards ANOTHER TD.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Jan. 19, 2012 1:16 p.m.

    Devlishtoot

    10-3 ranked

    8-5 not ranked

    ha ha

  • lineup2 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 1:09 p.m.

    Hope you choose to come to BYU King! It would be great to see you playing on the field..not to mention BYU could use a bit more diversity on campus.

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 19, 2012 12:59 p.m.

    Papa Smurf UTE

    What?!

    1. Do you even read my posts? Go back and read my posts. Have I once trolled a ute article? Or have I just defended BYU against trolls ON BYU Articles only?

    2. Cite one post where I incite gloom and doom when discussing BYU, on BYU articles?

    3. Show me one post where I do anything but defend BYU against trolls.

    Go ahead...

    I'll be waiting.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 19, 2012 12:46 p.m.

    DevelishUte
    So???...7-10 big deal!!! 4-3 here since Bronco... and BYU still 26th and 25th respectively in final polls.

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 12:45 p.m.

    We wear Blue

    Boy do you ever have that right, ute trolls and ute fans are the only ones in this world that trash talk. What does this Cougar recruit have to do with Utah.

    hamrdown

    You do realize that BYU has already received their commitments for 2012, right? You're right but they still need to sign on the dotted line, Feb 1,2012.
    It's not a done deal for any program right now including BYU.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 19, 2012 12:37 p.m.

    @Papa Smurf
    I seriously doubt that... especially since you're talking cliche here...apples and oranges... and especially knowing Tom Holmoe as well as I do and knowing that Bronco is the type that would trust those type of decisions to Tom and his AD staff.

    Oh by the way... Urban lived around the corner from me... and my office while I was still teaching at BGSU... was just down the hall. He is a class act and I can honestly go back to finally cheering again for the "Real" and the "Original" Team Down South...something I haven't done since OSU stupity fired Earl Bruce. I do however... find Urban's TDS thing humerous...as well as Ironic... especially since water runs North from Provo to Salt Lake...and that he is now the coach of the real TDS. Hilarious...ust like some shot in the dark recruiting polls.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 19, 2012 12:17 p.m.

    @Papa Smurf
    Hey... I'm glad for you that the utes are ranked 28th in recruiting... especially as bad as basketball is going for not only Utah but the once great Pac. At least you've got something other than your already conceeded 54-10. But dude let's be real ...what you put on paper doesn't necessarily come out in the final wash. BYU was finished recruiting months ago until Heaps left and one or two other scholarships became available. Our backlog and wealt of missionary talent is never factored into these opinion polls so BYU seldom ever shows up...and even when they do they're two years behind the curve in comparison to what's actually there. Like craps the dice have to fully come to rest. The season's over... your utes never made it to the counting house for the final tally...Even North Dakota State and Louisiana LaFeyette beat you to the count and slammed the door in your face. Try measuring by what is and not by what might be.

  • UteMiguel Go Utes, CA
    Jan. 19, 2012 12:14 p.m.

    BYU's schedule is not that weak anymore and will improve somewhat each year for a few years. Yes, last year's schedule was terrible for the latter 3/4 of the season. But next year's schedule has some quality teams.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 12:04 p.m.

    I'm always happy to read Papa Smurf UTE as the voice of reason on BYU articles (eyes roll).

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    Jan. 19, 2012 11:59 a.m.

    Stocky,

    7 of 10!

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Jan. 19, 2012 11:57 a.m.

    There are many kids who can live the BYU honor code, LDS or not. BYU is a national brand and will be attractive to some of those kids. The Utah culture is changing, becoming more cosmopolitan. BYU will learn to accommodate those non LDS kids, just as Notre Dame accommodates non-Catholic kids. I love to see guys like King being interested in BYU. They will get a good education and play for a good program.

    As for independence, well, BYU has never played a line up like next year's lineup. Yes, there are some cupcakes, but frankly, Air Force, Colorado State, Wyoming, UNLV, New Mexico, San Diego State, were all cupcakes most of the time. Utah no longer plays those cupcakes. And they paid the price. Trolls say they'd rather lose to USC than beat a WAC team. Well, that's good because that will be the usual experience for them. Four or five losses will be a regular year for them.

    Meanwhile, BYU will do just fine as an independent and once in a while they'll be really good. And playing a nation-wide schedule will help in recruiting. Wait and see. My forecast: BYU will be in a big bowl sooner than Utah will be. Or maybe even my Alma Mater, Washington.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 11:53 a.m.

    Where's Stockton

    While Bronco does not have all of the say, he does have some say, and I would venture to guess he has a lot of say in who they play. Like all of the other coaches at bigger named schools around the nation. While at Utah, Urban Meyer chose to cancel the home and home we had with Texas. At the time of his arrival to Utah, he did not think they could compete with Texas, and he was probably right. However he turned the program around, and left even before we would have played them. So the coaches do have say in who they will play. Bronco even made the decision not to play another game on one of the two weeks they had a bye in November. They had the chance to play another game due to the Hawaii rule, but he thought that would make the schedule too tough, and said no to it. You really do have no idea what you are talking about do you?

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 11:48 a.m.

    Starfarer,

    By your own definition, you are a troll.

    1 You cannot find anything positive to say, even when you are looking.

    2 You do incite gloom and doom.

    3 You think that your opinion in the only right opinion, and what you say affects Ute and BYU fans.

    Thanks for defining yourself to a T.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Jan. 19, 2012 11:44 a.m.

    This article seems premature. This would be a good article after Nat'l Signing Day. Why now? The detail of being at a friends baptism, etc. and he hasn't even signed with the school yet? The first part of the article reads like a Church News article. Also, why include his full quote about his first "impressions" of the church. If I was this young man and read the quote, I'd be a little embarrassed that the whole quote made the article. Journalists do have the flexibility of shortening quotes.

    With that being said, I hope King does sign with the Cougs. I just think such an article is a bit premature.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 11:44 a.m.

    Where's Stockton,

    Where do you get your info? You said:

    Utah doesn't have any better grasp this year on recruiting over BYU. It never has...and I'm sure that it will continue to be that way for a very long time to come.

    Currently Utah has the 28th rated recruiting class in the nation according to Rivals, while BYU is not even ranked in their top 50. To me that states that the Utes do have a better grasp of recruiting over BYU this year, and the way that it has been trending over the past few years it leads me to believe that it will continue to be this way for a long time to come. I love how you just make up stats and comment on things you know nothing about.

    I wish this kid well, and think that he will fit in just fine at BYU. While the honor code down there is not for everyone, I do believe that it makes young men and women better people, no matter if they are part of the religion or not.

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    Jan. 19, 2012 11:36 a.m.

    Where's Stockton,

    "Utah doesn't have any better grasp this year on recruiting over BYU. It never has...and I'm sure that it will continue to be that way for a very long time to come."

    All opinion on your part, isn't it? Strangely enough, the scoreboard for 7 of the last 10 years tells me something else as do the recruiting experts at Rivals, Scout, and ESPN. Sorry, I put more weight in their opinions than I do in yours.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 19, 2012 10:56 a.m.

    @DEW Cougar
    ...not to be critical... but scheduling falls under Tom Holmoe's department as the University's AD and not Bronco's. Somehow many on here fail to realize that Bronco has no say and no control over who BYU plays or even the move to independance itself. He does however... have a big say in the recruiting... which is what this article is about. So let's not saddle the Bronco with more than he's got as his share of the overall picture.

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 19, 2012 10:50 a.m.

    The Deuce

    The difference between a fan, or even a casual observer, and a troll is....

    1. Trolls can't find anything positive, even if they were looking.
    2. Trolls want to incite gloom and doom. Or an argument.
    3. Trolls think that if they voice their "opinions" that true fans will be affected.

    Which one were you again?

    For Trollish behavior look to Howard S, Devilishute and navel vet. They do troll like few others. (except maybe chrisb)

    BYU, despite all that you believe, is in a great position. I look beyond bitter voices from SLC to judge the sate of BYU. Trolls just don't have a broad enough perspective.

    For data that you can see...

    Polls, records, national media, etc. All of which was overwhelming positive this last year.

    So no, you don't have any qualifications to say whether or not Independence works for BYU.

    Results will take more time to measure.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 19, 2012 10:21 a.m.

    @patriot
    Hardly see any point to your above comment since you will not find any significant difference statistically of African Americans attending any other university in Utah that would be overall indicative of one being any more attended by African Americans than any other in state university...especially BYU...which is... I might point out... an International University...and therefore probably a more universal University...where African descendants of all nationalities are likely more prevalent but not necessarily here to play basketball or football...which I'm sure is part of your intent in bringing up the subject in the first place.

  • metamoracoug metamora, IL
    Jan. 19, 2012 10:17 a.m.

    I just watched some video of "senior highlights" of this kid. I'm not an expert. Frankly, I wasn't overly impress except that there were several times he was able to roll off a block and get to a running back. Also saw him run down a receiver. I guess what I saw was potential and hopefully he'll be able to develop that under Bronco's tutelage.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 10:14 a.m.

    Sounds like exactly the type of player BYU wants and needs. Good for him for being an upstanding kid and for realizing that there's more to college than just football. He'll do well at BYU.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 19, 2012 9:52 a.m.

    @DevilishUte...
    You might want to consider that at this point BYU's wealth of return missionary commits already in hand whose impacts (plural) are delayed by two years tends to greatly offset any short year's anyways. You might also want to take in the fact that there is also significant occasional change of minds as well from other in state schools missionaries that do impact the scholarship implications quite substanially...not to mention that it's still early as well as never to late for any recruit elsewhere to also change thier mind during the off season...so BYU's recruiting still has plenty of time to fully develop for 2012. Utah doesn't have any better grasp this year on recruiting over BYU. It never has...and I'm sure that it will continue to be that way for a very long time to come.

  • hamrdown OREM, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 9:26 a.m.

    @devilish

    "I find it funny that there are not any actual BYU commitments lately so now the DNews is reporting about kids that are even comtemplating BYU.

    You do realize that BYU has already received their commitments for 2012, right? If I remember right, they just announced that they had one or two scholarships become available because of the transfer of Heaps (and somebody else leaving the team). Becasue of this, there has not been any "new" to report. They have their commits already in place.

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    Jan. 19, 2012 9:22 a.m.

    To: Starfarer | 6:06 a.m. Jan. 19, 2012 Mesa, AZ - First of all, I do not have any credentials that would make my opinion any more relevant than the others who post on this topic. As someone who follows the Cougars, I can only comment on the trend that I have observed with the program over the past few years. As a player, I would think twice about where the program is at and where it is going. With the present coaching staff, I am not sure BYU would be the best choice if I had the talent to take it to the next level. This program is still scrambling to find itself. Yes, the schedule will improve over time but the prospects of winning a majority of these games looks slim at best. This program needs to have a makeover from the top down.

  • agb Layton, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 9:19 a.m.

    Honor Code | 5:28 a.m. Jan. 19, 2012
    Denver, Colorado
    Why would you want to join a program that has a weak conference schedule and gets thumped by bigger schools at the beginning of the season???!
    ---

    Maybe he wants to play for a team that will beat USU on game winning drives, and rip the collective hearts of Aggie fans out, thus making you more bitter, and increasing your proclivity of commenting on articles about recruits you have no shot to get.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 9:04 a.m.

    @robin

    Well the article says he is a christian kid that already lives the basics of the honor code. So yes to me that sounds like a nice kid with good character.

    And in your one sentence above I am able to easily deduce that you are a utah troll with an inferiority complex and an unhealthy obsession with me.

    Care to try again?

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 8:48 a.m.

    Robin
    He said that he like the LDS and non-LDS kids at BYU that he met. He said that he already lived something very similar to the BYU honor code at his current High school. He likes BYU, he likes BYU coaches and he likes the lifestyle promoted at BYU. What more do you want?

    I think he sounds like a real nice kid also; one that will fit in quite nicely at BYU.

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    Jan. 19, 2012 8:38 a.m.

    I find it funny that there are not any actual BYU commitments lately so now the DNews is reporting about kids that are even comtemplating BYU. Lil' band o' bros has to try to keep up somehow.

    Did Roscoe offer him a t-shirt when they met and inform him that if he came to BYU he would get a slogan t every year?

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 8:33 a.m.

    @Where's Stockton ??? Lol, I love it.

    Remember all those suposely big boys plays cupcake during early season and BYU save those Cupcakes at the end.

    Bronco knows what he is doing. Go Cougars!

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Jan. 19, 2012 8:04 a.m.

    @Duckhunter

    "He sounds like a really nice kid, so character doesn't appear to be an issue."

    So from reading two sentences in a newspaper article, you've been able to deduce the quality of this young man's character?

  • We wear Blue ogden, ut
    Jan. 19, 2012 7:53 a.m.

    Welcome to the great state of Utah and the great university of BYU, Theodore. Take my advice and dont read these boards. They are full of BYU haters and jealous Ute trolls, who will no doubt try to find a way to talk trash before you ever even take a step on our field.
    Sign with BYU, Go Cougars!

  • 112 Pack Spokane, WA
    Jan. 19, 2012 7:43 a.m.

    This Utah fan says good for the kid, good for BYU. Both schools (Utah & BYU)are recruiting quite well; which is great to see. As far as BYU schedule goes, I don't see nothing wrong with it. They play some patsies, like every one. They also play some big, big hitters! I think BYU has done a great job of setting up a balanced schedule.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 7:32 a.m.

    Go home and discuss it with his family?

    Bronco has no worries that he will accept another offer because it appears he has no offers from any other school except BYU.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 19, 2012 7:24 a.m.

    @Honor Code...
    Funny I thought you were a ute...so "why would" someone want to join Utah who does have a weak conference schedule and does get thumped by bigger schools at the begginning of the season??? You do know the difference between a conference schedule and an independant schedule... right??? And you do know how the polls work too... right??? Like finishing 26th with 51 votes in the final AP and 25th in the USA Todays final poll while Utah got 0 ...zero votes... period... in either poll. I mean... even North Dakota State got 2 votes in the AP and Louisiana LaFeyette got 1 in the USA today.

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 19, 2012 6:06 a.m.

    The Deuce

    Could you be any more bitter?

    Funny that you get to pass judgement on BYU and whether or not Independence was good or bad.

    What qualifications do you have?

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    Jan. 19, 2012 5:28 a.m.

    Why would you want to join a program that has a weak conference schedule and gets thumped by bigger schools at the beginning of the season???!

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 12:53 a.m.

    "A kid with great potential should look elsewhere at this time than considering BYU. The "Y" still has a weak schedule ahead of them and the coaching staff need alot of help. Independence has not been the great idea that BYU thought it would be. The program at this point is 2nd tier at best. Good advice would be to take your talent to a program that can help you."

    Do you realize that King, if he doesn't redshirt, will be a junior in 2014 and a senior in 2015? Do you realize that BYU will be out of the weak schedules by that time?

    I still remember when BYU declared to go independent and struggled to put together a schedule last minute. We speculated that someday the trolls-- who understood back then (or so it seemed) that the situation was unavoidable and actually quite decent for such short notice-- would eventually laugh at our schedule. It didn't take long, actually.

    Also, do you guys remember when Utah fans hated when schools threw around the "BCS conference" thing, claiming that being a BCS school didn't mean anything? Now they have become the very thing they hated (except unlike Texas, Alabama, Oklahoma, and LSU, they are not a nationally relevant team).

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 12:38 a.m.

    The Deuce,

    I didnt know that having, Texas, West Viginia, Houston, Utah, Notre Dame, Boise State, Georgia Tech, on your schedule was considered weak?

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    Jan. 18, 2012 11:54 p.m.

    A kid with great potential should look elsewhere at this time than considering BYU. The "Y" still has a weak schedule ahead of them and the coaching staff need alot of help. Independence has not been the great idea that BYU thought it would be. The program at this point is 2nd tier at best. Good advice would be to take your talent to a program that can help you.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 18, 2012 11:54 p.m.

    NevadaCoug -

    This isn't just a Bronco thing, it's Sales 101. More specifically - "the takeaway."
    Not a bad move.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 18, 2012 9:34 p.m.

    He sounds like a really nice kid, so character doesn't appear to be an issue. Let's hope he is an equally good football player.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Jan. 18, 2012 7:42 p.m.

    "King did not commit to BYU on his trip under the counsel of Mendenhall, who told him to go home to his family and discuss it with them before making a decision."

    This I like. It's clear that Mendenhall understands that BYU isn't for everyone. He wants people who clearly understand what they are committing to, and are ready to follow through on that commitment. It's something the previous coach didn't understand at all, IMO.

    It may mean missing out on some recruits. But it will lead to less scandal and heartbreak later. Keep it up, Coach.