Finally Hatch makes a decision I can get behind. The people have
How shocking. Hatch now opposes the bill-- that he sponsored.Its like the
"Dream Act" all over again. He comes up with a bad idea, pushes the
bad idea, then when he gets called on it, he suddenly says he's against it.Its time for a change.
"...As Google Inc., Wikipedia and other websites protested anti-piracy
legislation Wednesday, Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, dropped his co-sponsorship of
the bill...".Senator Hatch was for bill, before he was against
the bill.Ok.Another example of decisive leadership.Vote for Senator Hatch.Vote for decisive leadership.
I agree with protecting intellectual property.I also strongly support the
free flow of information that the Internet provides.There is a huge
disparity when it comes to enforcing IP law.If you own a copyright
(book, film, music, etc.) the government will prosecute violators for you
(according to the threat on every video I have ever purchased or rented).If you own a patent you are on your own. Ely Whitney lamented that the
government would do noting to people who stole his invention for the cotton
gin.As a small time inventor I have to hide my IP from major
companies because all they have to do is check my financial status; If I have
less than $1 million then they know that I cannot defend my patents in court.
They will violate my patents with impunity and since it costs at least $1
million to defend a patent in court, they will get away with it.A
patent is good for 20 years from the date the application is filed.A
copyright is good for the life of the author plus 70 years.It costs
thousands of dollars to obtain a patent (legal fees).A copyright costs
something like $125 and no lawyers are involved.Good inventions
benefit society far more that "another movie or musical recording"
ever will. We have plenty.I wish that congress would do something
about this massive disparity.
Part IUnder section 102, line 23 of HR 3261 (SOPA) the Attorney
General can take action against the registrant of a domain name. (This is only
one problem of many)I can sum up the legal problems with this line
in layman terms. First, the DeseretNews web address is a domain name. This is
only a name, all the content, articles, ads, comments, etc. can be hosted
(stored) somewhere else entirely, in another state, country, etc.Now
the most common form of Piracy they are fighting are "torrents"- these
are files used to transfer other files. The problem is that I can use torrents
legitimately to share something like "Ubuntu" (a free alternative to
windows) or something pirated and illegal. Torrents don't contain illegal
material, they are small files. These essentially are phone numbers.Think of a domain name like an address to a building. In this building is a
old-fashioned switchboard for telephones.The content is hosted in a
switchboard, which could be in that building or even in china. But going in the
building allows you to use the switchboard to obtain a phone number.Continued...
Part IIThe phone number isn't illegal. But transferring (like a fax)
a pirated movie across the line is. What is shared can be entirely private or
public.The problem is this-I could own a building. All
this does is allows you access to a switchboard which I might not even own and
it might not even be located in my building. The only thing inside my building
is access to the switchboard.The switchboard could be owned by
someone else in China and doesn't necessarily contain anything illegal, just
these phone numbers (torrents).When someone gets a phone number and
starts to transfer content that is pirated, this is where the illegal act takes
place. However, this act isn't down within the building or the switchboard. You
essentially write the phone number down, take it home, and place a phone call to
fax the file.So what's the problem? SOPA authorizes the prosecution
of the building owner, for not doing anything wrong, and they could not even
essentially know about the phone numbers. Now they often do, but 1) they may not
and 2) they didn't commit a crime and may not have even aided it.
Mr. Hatch, why are you always trying to cram garbage down our throats and when
we threaten to put an end to your position as a Senator, you suddenly change
your mind and do the will of the people? Do you even spend a single minute with
anyone anymore in Utah just listening instead of pontificating? You
know what? I'm done with non representatives. Sir, you should have paid more
attention to your junior, but much more in tune with the Constitution, Senator
Lee. Mr. Hatch, I am now going to do everything in my power and my vote to make
sure you are removed from office. And I will also support the
concept of repealing the 17th amendment and returning US Senators to the status
of "ambassadors" beholden to the will of their state representatives
that duly elect them to office to serve the values of the individual states
where they reside. I am so disgusted with congressional
"leadership" I could scream, but I am sure my vote will echo nicely
down the halls of Congress. Long live the Internet and freedom of speech.
The Rock: "Good inventions benefit society far more that "another
movie or musical recording" ever will. We have plenty."As
someone who is trying to make a living by writing music, I disagree. I could
cite plenty of historical figures, scientific data, and the greatest
philosophers/mathematicians (inventors really) such as Plato and Pythagoras on
the importance of music in life and our pursuit of knowledge and virtue.I could live in a cabin without electricity and get more from life than
owning every greatest invention ever made. I appreciate science and what it
brings me, but human happiness trumps all other pursuits. If happy that science
does it for you, but I don't don't accept people placing what I value as
universally less valuable or beneficial. Music has changed my life and billions
throughout history for the better. It in many ways has saved me. I attribute
that to God myself, but there is no question that music greatly benefits
humanity.I appreciate denouncing piracy for your own gain. I only
think that there is no need, and certainly no benefit in saying 'forget about
those guys, do it for my sake'. Did I misinterpret your post?
@iscorefilmIt's funny you said you could live in a cabin without
electricity as you type on a computer connected to the Internet. Nothing is
stopping you.Patentable IP can be used to relieve much suffering
(for example: the Church's own formula for Atmit). But feel free to deliver
music to the starving folks in Africa.
@Digbads@There You Go AgainYou slam hatch for 'changing his
stance.' I call it Democracy in action. He didn't change on a whim. He changed
his stance because Utah citizens called his office, expressing their feelings
about SOPA. That is how it should work. Call your congressman to let your voice
be heard and they listen.
"Senator Hatch was for bill, before he was against the bill.Ok."I'm not saying that I support Hatch or anything, but to
me this is a sign of a good congressman. A congressman is supposed to represent
the people. He was originally for the bill (actually co-sponsoring it), but
when the people spoke out against it, he went against what he wanted to vote for
how the people who he represents would have him vote. Of course, he could have
done it to avoid the mutiny he would face had he continued to support it despite
everyone's opposition.Now if only the congressmen who voted for
Obama's health care bill had the same integrity. No wonder so many of them got
voted out of office in 2010.
Good info about copyright and patent law differences, I'll have to remember
that. I read the article in the news media about these laws but none of the
media bothered to mention that they were laws to stop piracy of intellectual
property.What I read and saw that convinced to to oppose these laws
was infringements on free speech rights, and I think this is the same reason the
congressmen and senators opposed the law. It read like a vague law written by
the DOJ and black ops spy networks with too many ways to interpret its meanings
and implementation. A Golden Eye to spy on the American people and diminish our
freedoms and rights.I also do believe in the right of companies and
business to protect and keep their rights to their property. To protect property
at a more digital level by program coding and digital security with cooperation
among computer and cell phone manufacturers with back door technology to stop
information from being copied or transferred, coded to self destruction of
unauthorized copy rights to devices. It would take an industry cooperative to
accomplish it and is doable, but they don't need to block free speech.
SOPA and PIPA are the legislative equivalent of trying to exterminate
cockroaches using an atom bomb. When you are done, all the worthwhile stuff is
destroyed, and the cockroaches are still there.
The recording/movie industry has long been getting big for the britches. It is
about time we as citizens call them on it. To make such a sweeping legislation
on this issue with mostly the backing from multi-billion dollar industries is
preposterous. I am FOR intellectual property rights but not at the expense of
the entire country with bad legislation like this. I also notice, like the
readers above, that Hatch, again, went full bore on an issue just to back out
when the going got rough. It is time for some real change (not like the current
change(disaster) we are enduring now). Take yourself back and realize that with
facts, it is the Obama administration that started this debacle to once again,
limit our free speech.
This law is for people and companies in the United States of America(USA).
There may be some or a lot of pirating in the USA but the majority due to other
countries laws and International laws that are not enforced, the law would not
have real impact in those countries. There would probably be some unwanted
impact from the legislation's words, intent and meaning. Senator Hatch doesn't
back down very often so he must have been informed properly and will hopefully
be an influence on getting it right. People/organizations do try to push bills
with good intentions but there are people/organizations on the other side that
smoothe the words to make yes a no and no a yes in how they phrase them. This
happens during some proposals in state and local elections, also. When you vote
yes, you are actually voting no. For Senator Hatch to go public on this, the
day of the blackout, is good. The Internet provides a great way for open and
frank discussion and provides an open learning process for people in countries
all around the world, and not just in the USA. Commerce could be impacted on
the negative side
This article is about censorship. How ironic. I'm here to say that the worst
censors on the planet happen to be the editorial staff of Deseret News. Just try
to voice any displeasure about Senator Hatch in this forum and see how far you
will get. His church affiliation will always get him special kid gloves
treatment with this periodical.
The real problem with SOPA/PIPA is that the people supporting it are not experts
in the internet. Hatch probably barely knows how to check his e-mail, I
guarantee you he doesn't have an in depth understanding of how the global DNS
system works or the problems that would arise from tampering with it.How can you lend your support to something which you don't comprehend?It's just like those jurors who were tasked with determining Microsoft's
guilt or innocence in the Word Perfect case. When it comes to computers and
coding and the internet 95% of the population is clueless as to how things
Some politicians listen to the people. Others don't.
beetdiggingcougar: Okay, fine. If you don't want to be even reasonable enough to
accept that music can do good in the world (and that there are other kinds of
good besides feeding starving people)... and if you think that all your pursuits
are so much more noble than mine- then fine. I get it. I completely disagree and
in all honesty, I can hardly read such a cynical remark without wondering how
any human being with emotions could justify the mentality.However...
at very least, if considering the nature of this article, then I would argue
that I at VERY rock bottom, very least, and as basic as it can get... that I
have a right to what I own. And therefore, my comment regarding the nature of
piracy affecting my life is most certainly validated.Say I composed
music, was paid an income to feed a family, and then donated it to whatever fast
offerings and other ways I can think of to feed hungry people then... would you
be so against my right to own what's mine then?I'm not attacking
anyone here or the things they value. I'm only asking the respect to not mock
First, how much does it really matter whether Hatch supported the bill before?
Maybe he honestly changed his mind because of people complaining. Is that a bad
thing? To me that means representation. If you don't like it, move to D.C. where
you won't get any.Second, it doesn't matter whether you think what's
being pirated is a waste or not beneficial to humanity. What matters is that we
have every right to what we produce. If that's movies and music then how is it
any different? I suppose a movie director has no right to make money in this
convoluted society we live in. The masses shout "no to stopping piracy, we
want a longer free ride, even if it hurts some people" and congress is
powerless to do anything about it.That isn't very typical of a free
society. Now THAT is a scary thought!
@John20000Wait, where are the politicians that listen to people?
@iscorefilmSorry I did not mean to disparage the value of music. I
appreciate good music as much as the next person.So you make your
living writing music? Okay.Here are a few of the inventions that
your profession depends upon:1. Pen 2. pencil3. Paper4. Ink5. Musical Scale6. All the musical instruments that are
required to play your work.7. Printing Press (for sheet music).8.
Radio, Television, Internet and all other means of distribution.Inventions include life saving medical procedures, equipment, drugs, etc.They also include the assembly line, interchangeable assembly, manufacturing
technologies and the like. These inventions save lives and make it possible to
live in great comfort with massive wealth (compared to previous eras of
history).I own several copyrights. I also am an inventor. I have
relatives closely associated with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. Music is
wonderful and I would not want to go through life without it.The
greatest inventions of all time are:1. An alphabetic language.2. Ink3. Printing PressThese inventions made books possible.
Books allow the sum total of human knowledge to be recorded and passed down
through the centuries. Without books it would be impossible for anyone to stand
upon the shoulders of giants and our vision would be greatly limited.