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  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 2:08 p.m.

    Thanks Naval vet. From what has been reported I agree with your assessment. The whole thing is a sad affair.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 19, 2012 1:21 p.m.

    Whoa Nellie:

    I DO follow Penn State Football. In fact, I've had season tickets since 2007. The 4-hr drive to State College is drag, but what else am I going to do when the Utes aren't playing on the East coast?

    As for your inquiry, I LOVE Joe! My feeling is that he's been scapegoated over the whole Jerry Sandusky scandal. And it IS a Sandusky scandal; not a Paterno scandal. I feel Joe was fired for expediency purposes. Nobody outside of the PSU community knows the name of the Athletic Director, the University President, nor the members of his cabinet. Firing them wouldn't have made as splashing of a national headline as would have the firing of the winningest coach in all of college football. Firing Joe was PSU's "postured" response to the nation to show that they will not tolerate abuse......despite tolerating, then covering up the abuse.

    Sexual abuse is a horrible plague on society. Covering up the scandal by PSU administrators is a horrible stain on the university's athletic reputation. But Joe neither sexually abused anyone, nor had he covered it up. Joe did the right thing by bringing this allegation to his superiors. Note:

    (1) Joe did not actually see the abuse.

    ...So what was he supposed to do? Go to the police and accuse someone of a crime he did not witness? What if the accusation was wrong? What if it was based on malice of an assistant coach with an ax to grind against Sandusky? For the record, I don't think McQueary lied about what he saw....but I wasn't there either; so I don't KNOW what he saw, or thought he saw. If Joe DID go to the police, and Sandusky turned out to be innocent, that could have put both Joe AND the university in a very actionable position.

    (2) Joe is a coach; not an HR manager, nor a sex-crimes investigator.

    ...But PSU has officials who ARE trained in managing these types of issues. If I were in Joe's [not Mike McQueary's] shoes, I would have done the same thing...bring the allegations to the attention of those who would/should know how to address such a serious issue, with major ramifications.

    Like most PSU alumni, I am outraged over the way the University handled this sexual abuse situation; but NOT at Paterno, nor his decision to report it to his superiors rather commit some knee-jerk reaction by going straight to the police. The alleged sexual abuse had ALREADY HAPPENED; it wasn't as though the abuse was HAPPEN-ING, in the showers, at the VERY MOMENT it was being brought to Paterno's attention.

    I hope that answered your question.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Jan. 19, 2012 11:49 a.m.

    Naval Vet,

    Just curious, do you also follow Penn State football nearly as much as you do Utah? If so, what is your opinion on Joe Paterno's involvement and firing because of the Sandusky affair?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 19, 2012 10:27 a.m.

    WON84:

    "According to Scout, the Utes have commits from two four star recruits which is actually less than the four Utah had in their 2010 class."

    Actually, the 2010 class showed Utah with FIVE 4-star recruits; not FOUR. But even at that, Utah didn't get verbals from Dunn, Cullen, or Ransom until 2 days AFTER LOI day. So, by THIS time 2 yrs ago, our 2010 class showed TWO 4-star recruits, which is pretty much equivalent to our current station. Furthermore, Scout rated out 2010 class -- after signing day -- as the 50th best class in the country. Currently, Scouts ranks us at #43. Ergo, slight improvement there.

    But...as I had mentioned before, I find Rivals to be the more accurate recruiting site. And, per Rivals, Utah's 2010 class had 32nd best class in the country, and inked FOUR 4-star recruits. Currently, Utah's 2012 class is ranked #28, and holds FIVE verbals from 4-star recruits. So again, slight improvement there. And, it's important to note that 4-star athletes like Langi, McGill, and York have all expressed Utah's Pac-12 membership played a part in their decision. [It also played into Benji Kemoeatu's decision to transfer to the U...just as soon as he works out his academic issues.] And THAT's just the 4-star recruits who have said that. So that right there proves our membership HAS IN FACT aided in our recruiting successes.

    So, in your heart, things may have stayed the same, but on paper, the numbers changed for the better.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Jan. 18, 2012 7:39 p.m.

    "The fact is, the move to the Pac-12 HAS changed our recruiting fortunes. When have the Utes ever had FIVE four-star recruits giving verbals? Not in our MWC days. Plus, many recruits who HAVE signed with the Utes have stated our conference affiliation factored into their decision-making process.

    The reasons for my disdain for the cougars has already been asked and answered, and has nothing to do with our superior recruiting class."

    According to Scout, the Utes have commits from two four star recruits which is actually less than the four Utah had in their 2010 class. The 2009 class had one four star and one five star commit to note.

    In your heart things may have changed but, on paper the numbers are the same.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 18, 2012 5:49 p.m.

    factcheck, glad you looked, thank you. The last time I had looked was early in the season and my count was 21-12, I believe. There are also several Utes in free agency and that were on practice squads this year (Asiata, Taplin-Ross, Smithson, Cox off the top of my head, also didn't realize Maake Kemoeatu had just retired). Regardless, Utah does have a distinct advantage in that department.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 18, 2012 2:15 p.m.

    WON84:

    "Honest question, when will Ute fans shift their attention to the rival's message boards?"

    Probably when CU fans start reading the Deseret News and Salt Lake Tribune....like cougar fans do.

    "The fact that such a move hasn't changed Utah's recruiting fortunes is really no reason to hate BYU though."

    The fact is, the move to the Pac-12 HAS changed our recruiting fortunes. When have the Utes ever had FIVE four-star recruits giving verbals? Not in our MWC days. Plus, many recruits who HAVE signed with the Utes have stated our conference affiliation factored into their decision-making process.

    The reasons for my disdain for the cougars has already been asked and answered, and has nothing to do with our superior recruiting class.

  • factcheck Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 18, 2012 1:19 p.m.

    StGtoSLC

    "reality is that there are nearly twice as many Utes as BYU alumni playing in the NFL right now"

    Are you sure about that? Maybe I am missing some. BYU: Beck, Collie, Denney, Feinga, Hoke, Keisel, Kehl, Nixon, Pitta, Poppinga and Tonga. I also think Hall, Dallas Reynolds and Unga are under contract, but might not be on active rosters. For the Utes: Beadles, Burton, Gross, Fanene, Kemoeatu, Kruger, McCain, Pouhu, Reed, Schlaterhaff, Smith x3, Soliai, Stangord, Sylvester and Weddle and Misi on IR.

    I counted 14 Cougars and 19 Utes. Not quite 'twice as many'. With Matt Reynolds and when Tahi signs (currently free agent) it might be even closer.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Jan. 18, 2012 1:15 p.m.

    Naval:

    The bottom line is there is a pool of recruits BYU is naturally going to have access due to church affiliation that they otherwise might not. Now not all of these players are great (or will pick BYU) but, there is a sizeable number who are (and pick BYU) and at the rate the LDS church is growing (particularly in the inner city) it is also reasonable to conclude that BYU's recruiting should only continue to improve.

    On the same token, joining a "power conference" would do basically nothing when it comes to impacting how BYU recruits for many of the same reasons. The fact that such a move hasn't changed Utah's recruiting fortunes is really no reason to hate BYU though.

    Honest question, when will Ute fans shift their attention to the rival's message boards? Colorado could use the attention.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 18, 2012 11:09 a.m.

    LonestarRunner:

    So in other words, what you're saying is, you're one who is "grateful" for sammyg's morsel of fantasy. Thank you for your input. Any other cougars out there want to sound off to the contrary, or do sammyg and LonestarRunner pretty much represent the dominant ethos of cougarnation?

    Oh...and for what it's worth, I do not, nor have I ever, positioned myself as some kind of "so-called recruiting expert". I'M not the one who assigned Paleloi ZERO-stars. That would have been Scout.

    P.S.: Rivals didn't assign Paleloi zero-stars either. How could they have? They've never even heard of the guy.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 18, 2012 9:46 a.m.

    JtF, I think his "fantasy" is easily matching reality. He said "if they want to go on and play in the NFL Utah is a much better place" and reality is that there are nearly twice as many Utes as BYU alumni playing in the NFL right now.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 18, 2012 9:20 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    The only fool I see in this whole charade is the so-called recruiting expert who has deluded himself into believing that the number of stars placed next to a recruit's name is the end-all-be-all of a recruit's potential as a college football player.

    If that were really the case, you might as well write the obituary on Utah's chances of being competitive in the PAC 12 because the Utes will NEVER be able to recruit as many 4- and 5-star recruits as USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Stanford.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 18, 2012 8:00 a.m.

    sammyg:

    Your parsing of my comment on that other article was shamefully disingenuous, and taken out of context. For starters, it was cougar fan "TJ" that brought up that "diamonds in the rough" analogy. What I stated on that very post you quoted me from was:

    "Many apologists will say, just because he has zero stars, that doesn't make him a zero-star recruit, but rather that he just hasn't been rated yet. I SAY NOT SO. If he hasn't been rated by now, I find it highly unlikely he'll be awarded anything more than 2. Still, seeing as how both coaches went through all that effort just to land him, I'm hopefull that he's better than the ratings services are reporting."

    So put into its proper context, you'll see there has been no duplicity on my part, so unlike yourself, my honor and integrity remains intact.

    And for what it's worth, you're only deceiving your own cougar brethren. I'm curious if those naive cougars would be grateful for that morsel of fantasy, or displeased/insulted at you playing them for a fool.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 10:55 p.m.

    MLH

    So your 'zero' star recruit from Texas is far better than other 'zero' star recruits considering BYU.

    Yep, makes perfect sense to me considering the source it came from.

    'Lets all lay-off the religion, the politics' and big-boy conference Kool-aid. BYU will continue to get great players because of its national appeal and legacy. Ute fans should be used to it by now but so many are in complete denial.

    That makes perfect sense to me as well.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 17, 2012 9:19 p.m.

    MLH

    "Utah will always get better players now that we are with the big-boys,..."

    Too bad your fantasy doesn't always match reality.

    Case in point:

    BYU recruit: Tanner Mangum, 4-star, named the Elite 11 camp co-MVP

    Utah recruit: Travis Wilson, 3-star, didn't even make the Elite 11

    BYU is a national brand and will always get quality players.
    Utah is a regional brand and will sometimes have to make do with DII transfers.

    Get used to it.

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 7:31 p.m.

    Lets all lay-off the religion and the politics. Utah will always get better players now that we are with the big-boys, cougar fans get use to it. These kids know if they want to go on and play in the NFL Utah is a much better place to be, especially if you are a lineman both O & D.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 7:23 p.m.

    Deep thoughts on 'ZERO' star recruits...

    Yesterday on a BYU story...

    "Well, well, well. It seems you have quite the obsession with me, and what I think of you and your bush-league, Indy-WACey school.... Anyway, I thought I'd post something that Mr. Gurney accidently left OUT of the article...

    Scout ranks Palepoi with ZERO-stars.
    Rivals never even heard of the guy.

    Should I re-post that one more time to ensure you read it?"

    And today on a Ute story...

    "The DB currently has zero stars as rated by both Rivals and Scout... I find it interesting that both Whittingham AND Scalley made a PERSONAL home visit to grab a commitment for a zero-star recruit. Was it just because he runs a 4.3 forty? Or is he indeed a diamond in the rough?"

    Most Utes seem to be happy about their 'zero' star recruit from Texas today.

    So conflicted is the Ute fan.

  • Utah Alum Orem, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 5:46 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    "I didn't know how weird, stifling, and silly that school was, nor was I educated on their disdain for academic freedom. So naturally, once fully apprised, I finished the academic year, and transferred to the U; a learning environment where our thinking hasn't already been done for us."

    In other words, where professors were free to trash the sincerely held religious beliefs of the LDS students in their classes without having to worry about offending the institution that writes their paycheck.

    Get over your hatred; it isn't healthy.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Jan. 17, 2012 2:46 p.m.

    "WON84:

    Silly desperate frantic and emotional coug. I ALREADY was accepted to the Y. That's actually where I spent my Freshman year. Being from out-of-state, I didn't know how weird, stifling, and silly that school was, nor was I educated on their disdain for academic freedom. So naturally, once fully apprised, I finished the academic year, and transferred to the U; a learning environment where our thinking hasn't already been done for us.

    A few years later, I earned my MBA from Penn State. If I had no use for a cougar degree with an undergraduate diploma from the U, why would I ever have any use for it with a PSU MBA?"

    Alright, so your beef with BYU is academic freedom related? Fair enough, I can't really argue there. I actually attended the University of Texas and kind of agree with that statement.

    I don't understand why you hate the sports so much then? Good for the U on their new league and bowl win. Don't see why that means one has to hate BYU sports so much though.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 17, 2012 2:00 p.m.

    WON84:

    Silly desperate frantic and emotional coug. I ALREADY was accepted to the Y. That's actually where I spent my Freshman year. Being from out-of-state, I didn't know how weird, stifling, and silly that school was, nor was I educated on their disdain for academic freedom. So naturally, once fully apprised, I finished the academic year, and transferred to the U; a learning environment where our thinking hasn't already been done for us.

    A few years later, I earned my MBA from Penn State. If I had no use for a cougar degree with an undergraduate diploma from the U, why would I ever have any use for it with a PSU MBA?

  • Rise and Shout Harrisville, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 1:39 p.m.

    Did Rivals or Scout rank Chaz Walker (one of the best players on the defensive side of the ball for the utes) as a high school senior? I guess not because he was a walk on.

    We have seen Ofa Moheatu, Ben Olsen and Heaps come to the Cougars and flop. Personally, I'd rather watch BYU teams full of men that came to BYU with no sense of entitlement, that play like they have something to prove to everyone who told them they couldn't reach the next level of competition, regardless of the number of "stars" they were given by a "college football recruiting website".

    Go Cougars!

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Jan. 17, 2012 12:54 p.m.

    Nothing like being burned by the Y, huh (Navalvet)? No matter how many posts you make here you still won't receive an acceptance letter.

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 12:41 p.m.

    Howard S.
    Better (football) offer? It's really about quality education and the environment for personal growth that BYU offers. If not, why not go to Alabama or LSU? That's the ultimate in college football without any concern for what is best for the individual.

  • Pugman TREMONTON, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 11:51 a.m.

    @Rainin Time
    Finally a voice of reason. But don't worry, the Ute haters will find a way to make your statement false. After all, they're in the Pac 10, which makes them all knowing. Oh and BTW, 54-10, and your team quit. (Sarcasm folks...sarcasm).

  • MN Ute SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 11:44 a.m.

    @Chris Degn
    Dude, you're preaching to the choir about a playoff system. The main mortivator for the BCS is money, but I think you could make a heck of a lot from a playoff system for two reasons.
    1. Each team only plays once per bowl season, so eve if they play in the playoffs and lose, they're still playing the same number of games, meaning you won't lose out on the fans from those schools
    2. With a playoff system, many teams will play multiple games, meaning you get the fans from those schools coming back and watching their team play multiple times, which results in more cash to be had.

    @ everyone else
    Seriously, why are you trashing some guy whom I'm guessing none of you have seen play. He was obviously good enough to warrant all of the scholarship offers then and now, and I wish him luck wherever he goes. If Utah offers him a scholarship, sweet, more depth in our insane defense. If not, then I understand. Utah's Defense, especially our line, is our strength, and with the linemen coming in this year I can understand passing up someone with fewer eligibility years.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 17, 2012 9:57 a.m.

    @Mip... alright...not everyone of BYU's athletes are of the caliber of your two highly accaimed experts in Cold Fusion technology...so when will I be able to get my old Plymouth Acclaim up to warp speed???

  • RaininTime Orem, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 8:49 a.m.

    As one who has played and/or coached football for some 40 years, I hate the rating system. The star rating system is based on how much Public Relations an athletes coach and parents can get him. Paul Kruger, now an NFL DL with the Baltimore Ravens didn't have many stars after his name. Urban Meyer recruited him to play QB, then Whit switched him to D after one practice.
    To use the rating system to project how good a player will be is as phony as the BCS system itself. TCU and BSU were obviously better teams than some of these BCS bowl teams, and they didn't get the big pay day.

    Rivals and Scout.com are a business. Their objective is to make money. Talk to me about Terrell Pryor? Now, talk to me about Tom Brady? Ben Olsen anyone?

    BYU's main selling points are environment, atmosphere then football and exposure. If you're looking for party's, girls and the myth that is the BCS, then sign with ...... Ohio State.

    Anyone supporting the BCS isn't about the individual student/athlete, rather more about the legend of a coach and his program, i.e., Joe Paterno.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 17, 2012 8:30 a.m.

    TheSportsAuthority:

    "Since when are you and Rivals the only valid sources of college football recruiting information in the universe?"

    Thank you for your resource verifying Oregon's interest in Palepoi. I checked it out, and will concede it is valid. As for my recruiting resource...

    (1) I cited BOTH Rivals AND Scout. If you added up all the stars on both websites, he gets zero. That's a fact.

    (2) Rivals is my preferred source for recruiting news as I've found it to have been the most accurate of all recruiting sources.

    CordonBleu:

    "he's much better than the unheralded lineman you jealously want to pretend he is."

    Again, I'm not pretending Scout has Palepoi rated with ZERO-stars; neither am I pretending that Rivals has never even heard of this guy. In fact, the only source I've found that identifies Palepoi as a "Top junior college prospect" is Brandon Gurney...the cougars' own recruiting beat-writer/homer. Who are YOU pretending believes him to be a Top-rated recruit?

  • Rise and Shout Harrisville, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 7:49 a.m.

    I was wondering how many stars Chaz Walker had as a senior. Maybe naval vet could help me out there.

    What is more important? The number of assigned to a prospect by scout and rivals; or his heart, character and desire to play for a program like no other?

    No matter where this man ends up playing, I hope he is given an opportunity to succeed.

    Go Cougars!

  • adelman provo, UT
    Jan. 16, 2012 9:56 p.m.

    Here is my opinion, which I am sure some reasonable people will agree with.

    I am sure Utah was looking at Palepoi. I really doubt they are anymore. Utah has commitments this class from 3 JC Defensive linemen, all of whom are widely rated above Palepoi, and with the majority of their D-line Juniors or Seniors, I HIGHLY doubt they are actively recruiting Tenny, another junior.

    If they would have wiffed on some recruits higher up their board, I believe they would have came after him hard. But they didn't wiff, and so they didn't come after him. It's that simple.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    Jan. 16, 2012 9:50 p.m.

    Y Haters- "blah blah blah blah blah"

    Ute Haters- "yap yap yap yap yap"

    People with lives- "boring!"

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Jan. 16, 2012 9:10 p.m.

    Navel Vet

    "And speaking of "pretending" where has it been recroded that this guy ever received a scholarship offer from Oregon? Did you make that up?"

    SL Trib
    Aggieville: USU Sports
    USU football: Tenny Palepoi de-commits from Utah State
    Published on Sep 14, 2011

    "Palepoi was slated to become an Aggie, but didn't qualify academically over the summer. He is playing another season at Snow, and has picked up an offer from OREGON, and has interest from several other schools."

    Palepoi has been heavily recruited by numerous PAC 12 schools and all three major college football programs in Utah, which is proof positive that you don't have a clue regarding how good Palepoi is.

    Since when are you and Rivals the only valid sources of college football recruiting information in the universe?

  • 47blast SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 16, 2012 7:23 p.m.

    What is it with you and Rivals? Is Rivals the only resource you have? Just wait and see. I would say trust me I know a little bit more about the kids situation then you but that wouldn't mean anything to you. right? Inside scoop, and your on the outside. Its going to come down to Utah,BYU, and Utah State..

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 16, 2012 6:58 p.m.

    47blast:

    "Utah wants this kid bad!!"

    Really? We want him bad? Where are you getting this from? Certainly not the article. And not from Rivals. Did you just make that up?

    CordonBleu:

    If I'm the one pretending Palepoi is unheralded, why doesn't Rivals have any information on him? And I'm not just talking about 2012 either. There is no record of Palepoi even being recruited out of high school.

    And speaking of "pretending" where has it been recroded that this guy ever received a scholarship offer from Oregon? Did you make that up?

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2012 6:29 p.m.

    navel vet

    "Or because he's an unheralded, zero-star defensive lineman -- whom I might add, Rivals never even heard of."

    Believe what you want, but Utah State, Oregon State, Washington, and BYU have all offered him scholarships, as well as Oregon and Utah previously, so obviously he's pretty well known and even more obviously, he's much better than the unheralded lineman you jealously want to pretend he is.

  • 47blast SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 16, 2012 6:08 p.m.

    News Flash!! Tenny is being recruited by Utah. He has a trip this week to Oregon St and Utah the following week. Utah wants this kid bad!! He comes from a family of athletes and if you have seen any footage of this kid you would understand why teams are after him!! Stay tuned, Utes get their shot at him in a week!!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 16, 2012 6:07 p.m.

    deductive reasoning:

    "With Washington State, Utah, Boise State, Hawaii, Oregon State, Notre Dame and Georgia Tech on the 2012 schedule, I seriously doubt Palepoi is worried about being 'tested'."

    So...just for the record then, you ARE suggesting Wash. St. and Oregon St. ARE quality opponents. Got it. But I'm missing the "deductive reasoning" wherein Hawai'i falls in among those aforementioned 6.

    Furthermore, can we "deduce" that the cougars will only be playing a 7-game 2012 schedule? Because I could have sworn that they were playing a 7-game HOME schedule. And that Utah, Boise St, Notre Dame, and Ga. Tech were all AWAY! What happened to the other half of your schedule. Who might THEY be, hmmm? Please come back and post those "dauntingly challenging" opponents.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 16, 2012 5:48 p.m.

    Naval Vet, don't be so emotional about it. "Zero stars" doesn't usually equate to less than one star, just means he hasn't been evaluated. Utah actually has had several players commit this year that initially had "zero stars," but were later evaluated and in some cases given 3 stars and I believe one was given 2.

    I think it's safe to say, however, that Palepoi hasn't had quite the junior college career athletically that he was hoping for. I do think of the schools that have offered, BYU would probably be the best option as far as a family standpoint and possibility of immediate playing time. Utah doesn't have great need at the position at the moment, but it wouldn't surprise me to see them offer late if they lose out on a couple of the highly-sought-after players they're looking at. Good luck to him in the process. Little bit misleading to call him a "top" prospect, though, don't you think, Mr. Gurney?

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2012 5:24 p.m.

    "Or because he's an unheralded, zero-star defensive lineman -- whom I might add, Rivals never even heard of."

    Which, of course, is the reason Utah State, Oregon State and Washington are still recruiting him. Just admit it, the reason Utah isn't recruiting Palepoi is because Tenny has no interest in Utah.

  • SirTipsALot65 Hurricane, UT
    Jan. 16, 2012 5:05 p.m.

    tenny, man i havent seen you forever, go to byu it'll be an amazing adventure! do it man,

    Butler

  • Chris Degn Seoul, Korea
    Jan. 16, 2012 3:43 p.m.

    Everyone should detest the BCS. It is NOT a true championship system. Here's a good suggestion....

    Take the bowl games and convert them into playoff games. Take the conference winners of all the D1 schools and match them up as seeds in a bowl-based playoff that leads to the Rose Bowl for a TRUE CHAMPIONSHIP of winning teams.

    Cool idea, huh? Then all you guys would stop wasting time talking about BCS, BCS, BCS. And we'd talk more about cool new players like Palepoi. Come to the Cougars, brah!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 16, 2012 3:13 p.m.

    TrueBlue:

    "Utah won't make an offer because the Utes don't want to be embarrassed when Palepoi turns them down to play for BYU."

    Or because he's an unheralded, zero-star defensive lineman -- whom I might add, Rivals never even heard of.

    But, for now, Utah will have to just make due with 4-star DT Visesio Salt and 3-star DT Vaha Vainuku, both of whom, I might add, were NOT offered by the Y because the cougars did not want to be embarrassed when they inevitably would have turned them down in order to play for Utah.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 16, 2012 3:04 p.m.

    TrueBlue:

    "Star Lutuleilei [sic] orginally [sic] signed with BYU, but had to go to Snow College because he needed to get his grades up. Some athlete succeed at the JC level and then come to BYU. Some don't and end up playing somewhere that doesn't have as high academic standards."

    There was nothing wrong with Star Lotulelei's academics coming out of Jr. College. He qualified, and received another scholarship offer from, the irrelevant Indy-WACers in Provo.

    The reason why he signed with Utah after coming out of Snow was because, like Kyle Whittingham, if given a choice, MAY have preferred the cougars initially right out of high school, but in the end, and after a few years of maturity, would ultimately prefer to finish their respective careers at Utah.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 16, 2012 2:53 p.m.

    CougFaninTX:

    "I just wanted to re-post this quote one more time to ensure...Naval Vet...read it one more time."

    Well, well, well. It seems you have quite the obsession with me, and what I think of you and your bush-league, Indy-WACey school. It's obvious you envy and look up to your big brother on the Hill. Anyway, I thought I'd post something that Mr. Gurney accidently left OUT of the article...

    Scout ranks Palepoi with ZERO-stars.
    Rivals never even heard of the guy.

    Should I re-post that one more time to ensure you read it?

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 16, 2012 2:26 p.m.

    Howard S.

    get real

    Utah fans whined incessantly about the BCS denying the Utes any chance of playing for the national championship in 2004 and 2008.

    Ironically, Utah has even less chance of getting into a BCS game now, than they did when they were members of the MWC. Instead of getting past BYU and TCU, the Utes must now get past USC, Oregon, and Stanford.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 16, 2012 2:14 p.m.

    @giantfan

    Ute fans... BCS haters? I think not...

    Utah embraced the BCS as the first and original BCS busters.

    Only the rejected and excluded are haters... which explains the Cougar Nation's view of the BCS.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Jan. 16, 2012 2:10 p.m.

    Howard S.

    "You may be right... lots of top level D1 athletes prefer to test themselves against WAC populated schedules instead of BCS schedules."

    What a surprise, another typical clueless response from a hill dweller.

    With Washington State, Utah, Boise State, Hawaii, Oregon State, Notre Dame and Georgia Tech on the 2012 schedule, I seriously doubt Palepoi is worried about being "tested". We all know what happened the last time Utah faced Boise State and Notre Dame.

    The potential for being humiliated by a program that has a habit of losing to conference cellar dwellars and 10-loss teams is probably a bigger worry. Playing a BCS schedule doesn't impress anybody when you lose to mediocre BCS teams.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Jan. 16, 2012 1:37 p.m.

    Ute fans: Once haters of BCS snobs become the snobs. Ironic, isn't it?

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 16, 2012 12:44 p.m.

    If this kid wants to make football a carrer he shouldn't sign with the Y. The PAC-12 schools will give him a greater chance of getting there.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 16, 2012 12:22 p.m.

    @TrueBlue

    "...Utes don't want to be embarrassed when Palepoi turns them down to play for BYU."
    *********

    You may be right... lots of top level D1 athletes prefer to test themselves against WAC populated schedules instead of BCS schedules.

    Palepoi may be one of those...

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Jan. 16, 2012 12:04 p.m.

    Howard S.

    Utah won't make an offer because the Utes don't want to be embarrassed when Palepoi turns them down to play for BYU.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 16, 2012 11:20 a.m.

    An offer to play at BYU yet no commitment?

    Can't blame the young man if waits to see if a better offer comes along.

    Must be waiting to see if he gets an offer from Utah.

  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Jan. 16, 2012 11:13 a.m.

    A lot of the same schools that recruited me out of high school have started recruiting me again, he said. I have offers from Utah State, Oregon State and from Washington along with my BYU offer.
    =========

    I wonder why Utah isn't giving him an offer? They did when he was in high school. Why wouldn't they now?

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Jan. 16, 2012 11:10 a.m.

    jealous DevilishUte

    BYU, like most other schools, has somewhat lower academic admission standards for athletes, but BYU does have minimum standards that all athletes must meet to play at BYU.

    Star Lutuleilei orginally signed with BYU, but had to go to Snow College because he needed to get his grades up. Some athlete succeed at the JC level and then come to BYU. Some don't and end up playing somewhere that doesn't have as high academic standards.

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    Jan. 16, 2012 10:14 a.m.

    BYU never signs players that have struggled to qualify academically in the past. That part of the article must be erroneous.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 16, 2012 10:04 a.m.

    BYU has two very good D-linemen coming off missions and another one they signed last week, but they lost some to graduation and missions as well. This young man could see significant PT and help a great deal. Hope he decides on BYU.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Jan. 16, 2012 9:53 a.m.

    "Programs such as BYU, Utah, Utah State, Washington, and Washington State came calling until it became apparent that he wouldnt qualify academically."

    I assume then, that has changed? The article doesn't mention how he's done now, but it goes to show you BYU will take players who have struggled academically in the past, much to the contrary belief of many of the posters on here.

    Good luck in signing this talent, Y.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Jan. 16, 2012 9:01 a.m.

    Its a great honor to be offered by BYU, said the 6-foot-2, 280-pound prospect. I didnt really like BYU growing up I was a Utah guy, but visiting BYU and seeing them up close really opened my eyes and I could definitely see myself and my fiance at BYU.

    I just wanted to re-post this quote one more time to ensure Chris B, Naval Vet and Hedgehog read it one more time.

    Tenny, we'd love to see you play in blue and white.

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    Jan. 16, 2012 8:56 a.m.

    Maybe he doesn't sign yet because he sees that this is a huge decision for him and not something to be rushed into on a whim. This isn't some 18-year-old impetuous kid, after all.

    Let's hope he does choose the Cougars. We need a strong D-line and lost a couple of good players to graduation.

  • Ldsfan South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 16, 2012 8:41 a.m.

    Why would he not sign? Maybe waiting for another offer?