This is just a match to see who can do you know what the furthest. My rights
start where yours start. My dad had a saying on our fridge for years that said
"the right to swing my fist stops where your face begins." That said,
my rights are being trampled on just like the atheists are by having the sign of
a cross which has been around for thousands of years before Christ was even
born. Check you history. So, my rights say that I have a right to say and
believe that the UHP has the right to put that sign up honoring a fallen
trooper. I am just as right as any other person is right. We have a court system
that is now based on what the flavor of the day is. If most of them are liberal
then they vote that way. If they are conservative then they vote that way. The
law seems to be fading away when those clowns get together. Very frustrating
seeing they are running our country.
I have read all the comments and I have taken personal offences to one of them
and that is the next time you need a law enforcement officer, because a crime
was commited against I hope they take their sweet time resonping to you re: My
2Cents. They do their job to enforce the laws of the state and all you can show
them is disrespect. I severed for over 28 years in the law enforement field. I
have lost alot of fellow officers and when cross were put up out of respect and
the lost of their life in the line of duty proceting the public. Show some
respect for the fallen officer. I hope the crosses are back up soon my self.
This is very good news, very glad they went along with the court's decision.
I can't help but wonder what discussions the athiests were willing to have that
the UHPA was not.I think a large memorial, shaped like the State of
Utah, with a UHP Emblem in the middle of it would not be found unconstitutional,
as an example.If the crosses are on private land, the case appears
to be moot.Who exactly is going to pay the $388,000?
Taxpayuers.....? Or the attorney's who rolled the dice on behalf of the State
If the issue is a cross being used, then why not come up with a more neutral
shape for the memorial? Something that can't be looked at as a religious symbol.
Wow what bunch of sore losers... Separation of church and state,
that is America love it or leave it. Christian like to delude
themselves into thinking that we only have "freedom of religion"
without the understanding that for us to have freedom of religion we HAVE to
have "Freedom from religion"...If I want to practice my
religion I have to be free from yours.imagine if they desided to use
the Islamic star and crescent...
This is a great moment in Utah's and America's history and for people everywhere
in the world that believe in freedom. Secular government is the ONLY way to
ensure freedom for ALL.
If you go to Court the Attorneys are the only winners. Once again proved here. I
wish I could really expound on that but would not get past the moderator. I know
one thing for sure I am sick of the minorities alway getting their way.
Why don't we just put them back up? If those nuts from New Jersey want to drive
all the way out here and take them down then we can simply put up new ones
again. I'm sure the highway patrol won't be eager to take them down, and if
asked to can simply reply "we didn't put them up." Why does only the
left know how to utilize some effective civil disobedience now and then?
The constitution gave us freedom of religion. court rulings and atheists
insist that we can only have "freedom from religion"I
don't even view the cross honoring the dead having anything to do with religion
but marking the spot and giving respect for the dead. Shame on the
supreme court for not hearing this. It simply gives the bullies clout to usurp
the rights of the people.
What should be learned from this? Pay Attention? Mr. Barnard is watching?
Don't be in a Traffic Accident? I guess it is that the Majority of the people
are not important any Longer.
You may not like the court decision, but it is difficult to see how the ruling
is not in line with the constitution.It would appear that many fully
support the constitution, except where they disagree with it.I hope
that the private land issue is left alone. Seems like a great solution to this
I find it wrongful that the police are even doing what they are doing, police
are not public hero's, they are public employees. Police are employees and
should be treated like any other public employee with no fan fare or public
extollation. Sure you want to remember your co-workers but there is no need for
public humiliation of their memory.They volunteered to work as
police with its inherent dangers, they weren't drafted or forced to join the
Blue Army. Danger and risk is inherent in many jobs like any utility worker who
has to climb power poles to repair or replace 250kva wires.Law
enforcement is going over the line in its above the law mental attitude making
them believe they are above the law. Police are criminals too and it is time to
stop this martyring attitude the news media and the departments are putting
themselves in. The public should not be allowing this kind of behavior from
public servants, it is segregating them from their duties to who they serve.My hero is the person defending themselves from the Blue Army of
oppression and disrespect for a constitutional government and justice system.
@ Sorry CharlieBernard IS the attorney! He and his cohorts will get
$ 388,000 in attorney fees.The $ 1.00 damages will go to the group that
limits OUR right to express ourselves.
I hope the State of Utah has competent legal counsel.I hope that a
reasonably intelligent lawyer advised Utah officials "if you choose a cross
as a memorial, someone will sue, and you will lose."I imagine
bull headed officials chose to ignore solid legal advice, mistakenly believing
that "when they hear our case, the judges will overturn established case
law."Otherwise, the State of Utah should seek to hire some new
lawyers, preferably ones that graduated near the top of their class.
Here is the other side in the Utah Cross Case. Watch this first before you make
any judgements. Go to YouTube, type in the search bar idahoatheists. Look for
Utah Cross Case - Brian Barnard Speaks To Salt Lake Valley Atheists Part 1 of 4.
RE: PaganIt's only a memorial,no religion is being
enforced on you.And more importantlay, Relion is certainly alloed in
the poublic saquare, includig public expression.You may be offended,
but that that is your choice, denying freedom of the public square
to certain people or groups is wrong.
Don't use people's death... to force religion on others.
So barnard maybe getting one dollar in damages the rest go to attorney fees and
court cost hardly a cash cow.
This is dusgusting.Worse, "...According to the settlement
agreement, the UHP and the UHPA must pay American Atheists $388,000 for
attorneys fees, about $5,000 in court costs and $1 in damages."Mr. Bernard seems to get a pretty good paycheck with his "civil
rights" lawsuit racket.I am glad that the memorials will be
returned, but on private property, where the easily offended will not have
grounds for further harassment and disrespect to our fallen officers.
Brian Bernard apparently has found a "cash cow" in suing to eliminate
any vestiges of religion in Utah. I sincerely hope he can sleep well in
following this course of lawyering. Someday, somehow he will receive his
comeuppance.I can hardly wait for the time when he sues Salt Lake
City for having "cross streets" under the theory that this also