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Published: Thursday, Jan. 12 2012 1:10 p.m. MST

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DeltaFoxtrot
West Valley, UT

The man was unstable. He was a danger to himself and could have run out into traffic, becoming a danger to others. Police acted to bring him under control using a less than lethal device. Unfortunately the man died. I'm not going to fault the officers involved for acting. I do have to question the wife's decision to travel if her husband was known to be that mentally unstable when off his meds. The man probably should have been under medical supervision.

Brahmabull
sandy, ut

This is another example of an unjust and rediculous lawsuit. The man was clearly a danger to himself and others if he was running in the road. Tasing him sounds like it was justified given the circumstances. Why is it that everybody sues when a loved one dies at the hands of police? People need to take responsibility for themselves, and if their loved ones act recklessly they have to live with the consequences. It is a sad story that he died, but even more sad that they are trying to make money off of his death.

Lane Myer
Salt Lake City, UT

Really Delta and Brahma?

Did you know they tazered him when he was lying on the ground with handcuffs on him - completely under control? It sounds like you need to read a little bit more of what happened before you start into the family that filed this suit.

Please check it out before you condemn them.

You might change your tune.

DSC Cougar
HURRICANE, UT

They tasered someone running naked into a busy street, endangering not only his life but the life of drivers and the responding HPD. So in order to protect the public and themselves a cop shot a taser at a mentally-ill man and unfortunately someone died. I feel sorry for both sides, sorry someone died and sorry that a cop will have to live the rest of his life that his actions. Actions that he believed that would protect the public.

Euroskeptic
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Brahmabull | 1:54 p.m. Jan. 12, 2012

Why do people sue when a loved one has been killed? Wait until it happens to your wife or kids and then ask yourself that same question.

You are right about people needing to take responsibility for themselves. That's what this lawsuit is about: making sure the police take responsibility for their actions.

Euroskeptic
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Brahmabull | 1:54 p.m. Jan. 12, 2012

Why do people sue when a loved one has been killed? Wait until it happens to your wife or kids and then ask yourself that same question.

You are right about people needing to take responsibility for themselves. That's what this lawsuit is about: making sure the police take responsibility for their actions.

pharmacist
South Jordan, UT

Is the company the made the device being sued? No mention of that. Has the device that was used on this man been tested and retested? No mention. Could be we have a faulty device that should not have killed, but did.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: Lane Myer | 3:55 p.m. Jan. 12, 2012
"Did you know they tazered him when he was lying on the ground with handcuffs on him"

It undermines the credibility of a commenter when they state inaccurate facts. The police DID NOT taser Mr.Cardall AFTER he was handcuffed. Was the officer supposed to allow the man to run around on the highway creating a hazard to other motorists?

If Mr. Cardall's wife could have controlled him without help from the police she wouldn't have called 911. It is sad he died but it wasn't the fault of the police who responded to her call for help.

Craigo
Ivins, UT

You people need to look at the facts.
1. Hurricane responded with the police chief. (Chief should know better)
2. The caller (Wife) told 911 that the man was having a manic episode, and was naked UNarmed. The man was only 155 lbs.
3. When the cops arrived, they were screaming at the top of their voice at brian. No effort at all was made to defuse.

4. No attempt was made to block traffic, or assess the situation.. This was in the desert, not much traffic at all to control..Only screaming and tazer 42 seconds after arrival. Brian was small, unarmed and naked.
5. After the first taze, he was on the ground.. Only moments later, they tazed him again.
6. When he stopped breathing, no attempt made to help him (Even after he was cuffed)
7. The wife was detained and interrogated.

There were dozens of way to better handle this situation, but in this case, it was handled rambo style. and someone died.

This story is wrong on so many levels.. How you can defend these cops is beyond me.

Skippy
West Jordan, UT

Two police officers approach a naked, unarmed man and they can't control him without using a taser gun? And then, the naked, unarmed man who has handcuffs on tries to get up off the ground and they use the taser again? It sounds to me like two officers need to go before a jury of their peers and not the brothers in blue jury.

JJ1094
Saratoga, UT

@Euroskeptic and the Cardall family

It is indeed unfortunate that Brian's life ended earlier than the family would have liked. But to blame others and to continue the tragedy is senseless. I will look back to my grandmother of an example that is far more "blamable":

my grandfather, who was a coal miner his entire life, had Black Lung. While in he was undergoing a routine check in a doctor's office; the doctor punctured not one but both lungs with his instrument. He died.

My grandmother said a few weeks later when one of the children suggested going after the doctor: "will it bring him back, will it make anything better?"

Do you think the officers, the police department or even area residents will act differently if they are found responsible in court than they already do?. Or is this more about how you feel and act?

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: Skippy | 10:04 a.m. Jan. 13, 2012
"Two police officers approach a naked, unarmed man and they can't control him without using a taser gun?"

Should they have subdued him with a tranquilizer dart? If the man's wife was unable to control him what did she want the police to do? If he had been hit be a car she'd have sued them for not tasing him when they had the chance.

So. Cal Reader
San Diego, CA

Sad, sad story. Regardless of who's at "fault," my heart goes out to the Cardell family.

TripleCrown
Santa Ana, CA

I believe that part of the reason for the lawsuit is the hope that it might motivate the powers that be in Hurricane to motivate the police to change their training tactics of using weapons first and thinking later. If 2 cops can't subdue a smaller, unarmed, non-violent, naked man without twice using a taser, neither should be employed as a police officer. Period.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: TripleCrown | 12:43 p.m. Jan. 13, 2012

"December 12, 2010: Several Long Beach police officers, with rifles and shotguns drawn, shot Doug Zerby 21 times, killing him instantly. Zerby was allegedly intoxicated and wielding what appeared to be a gun (it turned out to be a black metal-tipped water nozzle)"

No one living in California has any room to talk about police abuse in Utah. The police here don't shoot people holding water nozzles ...... 21 times.

DeltaFoxtrot
West Valley, UT

Have those of you condemning the actions taken by the police ever tried to subdue someone who is in the middle of a psychotic episode? You may as well try and catch a cougar with your bare hands. You are going to be hit, kicked, bitten and spit on. You may be injured, the person you are trying to subdue may be injured. It isn't exactly a safe thing to be doing.

Less than lethal devices like tasers were designed specifically to be used in situations such as this. They allow law enforcement officers to keep their distance from a dangerous person so a scuffle doesn't break out.

Brahmabull
sandy, ut

The backlash I have received proves this society is getting sue-happy. Suing the state over a bear attack, suing police for trying to use a non-lethal tactic to subdue a deranged man, suing for a child getting hit in a cross walk. Making money off of a deceased loved one to me is rediculous. It won't make them come back, it won't help the pain. It is just money, and we can't take money with us when we die. Maybe a criminal trial is in order if those police stepped out of line, but again trying to get money off of something this sad is even more sad.

USAlover
Salt Lake City, UT

Put me on that jury and I will vote in favor of those police officers who prevented an unstable man from running into traffic and throwing rocks at cars driving by.

The police SAVED lives that night.

Oh, please!
Saint George, UT

For those of you who think this is a remote stretch of highway with little traffic, think again. It's a very, very busy two-lane state road.

These officers had to get him off the road before he caused an accident either by motorists distracted by his nudity, someone swerving to miss him, or the man being hit by a car going 65 mph. Given the urgency of the situation, the officers didn't have time to call a psychiatrist! And without the instantaneous resources of an entire response team, it would have been difficulty to stop traffic in both directions, subdue Mr. Cardall, keep his family safe, etc.

There are so many unanswered questions...why was he driving, why was he off his meds, if his wife didn't want help why did she call? What if his wife or children had also gotten in the roadway? There were other people of concern to the officers besides the deceased.

I'm sorry that he died but the taxpayers shouldn't be responsible for his mental condition and the result thereof.

Craigo
Ivins, UT

Once again, there is nothing wrong with the proper use of a tazer..but to jump out of a car screaming in the desert and shoot only 42 seconds later is inappropriate. The very first thing should have been to control traffic, and then remain calm. Screaming to a man out of control does NOTHING to defuse. Then to shoot a man twice when he is already down is criminal. These Hurricane Cops MUST me stopped. They continue to act like rambo.

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