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Published: Wednesday, Jan. 11 2012 10:26 p.m. MST

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sportsfan21
OREM, UT

There is one blatant problem with our immigration system. Immigrants from Canada, Europe, Australia, and even Asia are given preference in visas and citizenship. This my friends is discrimination. To borrow the movie theater analogy from a previous post, imagine arriving at the theater only to be ushered into one of several lines. You notice that your line is full of people of the same socioeconomic class as you and that your line moves considerably slower than the line for wealthy people. Would you be a little upset? Now imagine it's your race and nationality that puts you on the slow track to the American Dream. Everyone, not only Americans, have a God-given right not to be discriminated against because of race.

Some of you may argue that we don't favor certain nationalities, but there's a reason Justin Bieber could get a job in America before 99% of those from Mexico waiting for work visas.

Let me be clear because some will be upset by this post. I'm only arguing against the government setting quotas how many visas a country gets. We need a better system so that hispanics feel like they can get in legally.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

**'U.S. sets another record for deporting illegal immigrants' - By Lee Davidson - DSNews - 08/19/10

"Federal immigration officials deported a record number of illegal immigrants last year the seventh year in a row the Department of Homeland Security reported on Wednesday." - ARticle

**Record high: 400,000 undocumented immigrants deported By Elizabeth Stuart DSNews 10/18/11

Supported by:

**'Deportation of illegal immigrants increases under Obama administration' - By Peter Slevin - 07/26/10 - Washington Post

'The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency expects to deport about 400,000 people this fiscal year, nearly 10 percent above the Bush administration's 2008 total and 25 percent more than were deported in 2007. The pace of company audits has roughly quadrupled since President George W. Bush's final year in office.'

sg
newhall, CA

No. Immigration laws should be handled by the states. Why? Because it is to the state that illegals go. The feds are incapable of obeying the current immigration laws or refuse to. This has become a political issue rather than a legal issue. It is all about garnering the illegal votes during elections. And why have laws been struck down that require an ID to show proof of citizenship at the polling sites during elections? I just read that a woman in California voted 10 times at different polling stations. ID's will NOT disenfranchise any particular race. This is a weak argument. And the argument that deportation will separate families, not if you send the entire family out of the country. I am tired of this blatant disregard for the laws and our feds are guilty and should be held accountable. Fire those that refuse to uphold our laws or secure our borders.

Cleo_76
PROVO, UT

Families do not need to be broken up upon deportation, or when the family wants to self deport and come back legally. There is no reason for them to leave American-born children here; the family should stay together. American-born children with foreign parents from most countries are dual-nationals -- they are citizens of both countries. What breaks up families is the decision to come to the US illegally in the first place, knowing the consequences of doing so. This is why it is so important to encourage legal immigration and reduce the magnets that draw people here illegally.

CWEB
Orem, UT

1. Please stop shouting your ignorance on the real subject of immigration.

If you believe the system is not broken, you are A. Angry B. Misinformed. C. Ignorant of the reality of the immigration process.

2. Largest misinformation--There are NO lines. Telling someone to leave, and get in line is in complete error. There are no lines. A person desiring to come to the United States, goes to the American Consulate, fills out papers, pays what to them is often a life-fortune, and they are most often denied.

Especially women. Especially those who don't own property (in most cases women). Especially families with little income. (There goes the send us your poor, needy, etc.)

The only "line" that exists is the order in which a person applies for citizenship, and that is after they are here with a green card. So if the laws are adjusted to help those who came when there was not much other option, why does that strike so much fear and anger in Americans?

Where is our compassion as a nation?

We cannot sit in our comforts, warm homes, nice cars and turn away God's children. Our brothers and sisters!

sportsfan21
OREM, UT

Well said CWEB!

I think all of us would have a different perspective if we were impoverished and unable to jump through the hoops required to let our kids and grand kids gain freedom

Bandarji
Cottonwood Heights, UT

So what is so terrible about Mexico that this has become some moral test if we don't want masses of their population coming here illegally? As if we were letting our poor brothers and sisters live in hell and we are responsible for that by not opening the borders. If it is so bad why do people go there on vacation?

Mexico has beauty, resources, fabulous oceans,great climate. Actually it is a fantastic place. So why is it bad that we don't appreciate them coming here, getting on welfare, working under the table, running drugs and committing an out of proportion share of crimes?

What is wrong with Mexico is it has long been a bandit mentality state and the masses coming here bring that right along with them.

ouisc
Farmington, UT

CWEB paints a lovely, noble picture, but it is not quite accurate.

The fact is, we are no longer living in the 1890's, when all folks had to do was sign their name on a list, and they're in.

In the place of a paper list, we have laws--laws that the federal government has decided are pertinent to the fairness of immigrants, worldwide, and to the safety of Americans. These immigration laws are among the most liberal in the world. CWEB should try to relocate to Mexico just to observe how hypocritical Mexico is with immigration.

Because we have had to implement laws, there are now "underground railroads" to make it easy for folks to come to the U.S. illegally, especially from Mexico. There are usually stolen IDs here waiting for them. It is quite an impressive network.

Despite CWEB's whining about the immigration process, much more people have come to the U.S. legally than illegally, and for the most part, they're not whining about the process. They're happy to be here, and hope to become citizens someday.

Illegal immigrants simply take calculated risks, hoping to not get caught.

sportsfan21
OREM, UT

Bandarji, are you seriously asking this question? Yeah people vacation in Mexico... IN CANCUN! You realize that is a very small part of Mexico, right?

Mexico has out of control crime rates and drug use and unemployment that 2 or 3 times as bad as America. People work for a few dollars a day.

Is it as bad as hell? Maybe not. Unless living in poverty, day to day stitching baseballs in a factory (without health benefits or retirement) just to buy food and realizing your beloved children are doomed to the same fate qualifies as hell.

Don't be naive. People don't leave vacation resorts, cross a hundred miles of desert, just to work for less than minimum wage. They leave lives void of hope for the opportunity to earn freedom.

ouisc
Farmington, UT

Pagen,

Bush didn't dare tackle illegal immigration. I don't recall being too impressed with Bush on this one. Was anyone? Comparing current deportation numbers with deportation numbers during the Bush years is meaningless.

Are we deporting enough illegal immigrants during the Obama administration? I dunno. Seems like we're still doing a little bit of chasing and not much on the preventative side, as it's been for the past two decades. Which is why we're SCREAMING for change!! The states believe the feds are not doing enough, so the states want to help enforce the federal laws.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'Pagen,
Bush didn't dare tackle illegal immigration. I don't recall being too impressed with Bush on this one. Was anyone?' - ouisc | 4:22 p.m. Jan. 12, 2012

Don't know.

I didn't vote for George W. Bush, ever.

But he was elected President under the Republican party ticket...

twice. Wasn't he?

Why are the problems Bush IGNORED...

suddenly a 'screaming' issue?

Answer:

Because it is 'acceptable' for Republicans to pass the problems and not...

solve any.

My example:

At least Obama, ended the war in Iraq.

Who started, the war in Iraq? Who had majority in the House, Senate and Presidency in 2002?

Hmmm...?

"The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons.' - George W. Bush - Ohio Speech 10/7/2002

Miss Piggie
L.A., California

"...to lead out on federal solutions to the nation's broken immigration system."

The system is not broken. What's broken is immigration law enforcement. Mr. Wester is pushing for nothing short of amnesty. We tried amnesty 30 years ago and what did it get us? Millions more illegals... millions.

"Immigrants the vast majority having lived in the United States five years or more are not leaving, just hiding in fear..."

My suggestion, return to their countries of origin where they don't have to hide in fear. We don't have work for them. Perhaps there's jobs there.

"Children are the victims of family separation."

When they leave take their families with them. Problem solved.

"As an infant, Jesus and his family fled King Herod as refugees."

Jesus and His parents fled from a person who wanted Him dead. They didn't illegally invade an other country.

"As an adult, Jesus was an itinerant preacher, a migrant."

Jesus might have been a migrant but He migrated from city to city within his own country, Palestine.

"... which means a growing number of couples cohabitate and are in conflict with their church's tenets."

So, go home to get married... and stay there.

1conservative
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

@CWEB
There are approximately 6-8 billion people who would like to live here.

Should we let anyone and everyone be here regardless of whether they have means of support?

How should we pay for their support? We already pay 100 billion per year nationally to support illegal immigrants, (400 million in Utah alone).

Should we even have borders? What good are they if they aren't enforced?

The ONLY answer is to have some sort of ORDERLY immigration process. Why, simply because they sneak across the desert, should THOSE folks be given priority?

If I bring shiploads of my asian friends here do you think we should support THEM also? Why do THEY have to report to the state dept. but those who sneak across the desert get the same benefits?

Kathy.
Iowa, Iowa

So if someone steal your car and keeps it for 5 years it should be theirs? Same faulty logic.

JBrady
Murray, Ut

Hispanics get 36% of all green cards and the majority of visas (less than 8% of worlds population). The preferential treatment goes to Mexico, India, China and the Philippines. Canada, Australia etc are way down the list.

People in their home countries that want to come here legally wait their turn, in their country. This is the "line".

Brer Rabbit
Spanish Fork, UT

Deporting illegal aliens doesn't break up families. They are always welcome to take their children with them, when they return to their home country. It doesn't matter if the children were born in the U.S. or not, no one will stop them from taking them home. In fact it would be better for the taxpayers if they did, due to the decrease cost of taxpayer education.

realsoothsayer
SANDY, UT

Too bad the ecclesiastical leaders and all the liberals can't afford to financially support all of the costs that result from their advocacy. We have unemployment, underemployment, Medicaid off the charts, education costs, criminal justice, law enforcement, corrections, etc., etc. Every one of these issues is made markedly worse by the unfettered and illegal invasion of this country as sponsored and promoted by the cheap-labor lobby and their supporters who confuse insanity with charity and compassion. HIGH time to wake up, folks.

Tom
Cottonwood Heights, UT

These posts are pretty amazing. Listening to them we are definitely not a Christian nation. We may be a nation of pharisees. I attended the conference and it was very good. I also enjoyed having dinner with Elder Marvin J. Ballard and Elder Clayton their. It is like our Attorney general Mark Shurtleff said, "The first casualty of the immigration debate is truth" most of these post demonstrate that. The second casualty must be our collective humanity.

ouisc
Farmington, UT

Where were you illegal immigration supporters when my friend was arrested for a DUI? It was a very difficult situation for him, and tore his family apart. If it had not gone to trial, his family might still be together. Can't we just let the DUI go for the sake of his family? It's absurd that a simple law we enforce in our country would tear his family apart.

Maggie
Saint George, UT

As a baptized Roman Catholic who has studied Church history past and present,I would put the Churches stance on illegal immigration in the category of yet another incorrect response to lawbreakers. Somewhat like protecting Priests from the law of the land and Gods law when it is convenient. As our politicians are ignoring the Constitution so our Church leaders follow along and interpret the Bible to the advantage of their needs and wants at this time in history.It has all been done previously and will be tried again unless we get the message across to our Church leaders and our elected officials. The laws in the USA governing immigration need to be obeyed just as the laws from God . I refer you to the Ten Commandments. The laws are intended to be fair and just to this country and the people who apply to come. The Churches need to continue the quest to help most people in their own country . We cannot take on every poor person in the world and it is unfair to ALL to let those who can just walk here disobey our laws.Think about it. How fair is it to developing countries around the world for us to take the best and brightest from that country and on the other side of that coin,how fair is it to the American citizen to take the poor, uneducated,lawbreaking citizens into our society if we can help them thrive in their own country?

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