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Published: Wednesday, Jan. 11 2012 10:26 p.m. MST

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anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

Ah, I see. Marriage is a fundamental right. Therefore, illegally entering and occupying this country must also be a "basic human right" since it facilitates marriage. So how about simply doing away with God's law of marriage? This way, unmarried, co-habitating couples need no longer violate church tenets. (Read sarcasm.)

Immigration law as it stands today is NOT inhumane and does NOT violate human rights.

The law does NOT break up families; instead, law-breakers break up families.

Deportees may take their families with them. Many, however, CHOOSE not to.

The nation's immigration system is not "broken." Rather, the integrity of government to enforce the law is broken.

By "reform," what they really mean is a type of amnesty and anarchy.

They claim to care about Federal supremacy. But this is only because they know that the Federal government will not enforce Federal immigration law.

By using the term "immigrants" they mean to subtly suggest that there is no real difference between legal and illegal immigrants.

"Suffering?" Where is the concern for Americans who suffer in many ways because of illegal immigration?

"...the least of my brethren..." And Jesus also said, REPENT YE. And SIN NO MORE.

JBrady
Murray, Ut

It requires a Federal solution, yet they support Utah's three guest worker laws?
The Utah compact in all it forms in the several states have less than 10,000 signatures. It sounds like it has very little support.

There have been majority mandates in this country to enforce the laws. Many major media have come up with 60-75% wanting enforcement, and almost 80% not wanting amnesty of any kind. I guess these mandates are not acceptable, and only mandates that give amnesty will be acknowledged?

Why can't we just enforce our laws. They were broken, their are consequences. The justifications don't hold water if you apply them to other crimes.

Cinefan
MIAMI, FL

Our immigration laws do not need to be reformed, they need to be implemented.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

Here we go again! A broken immigration system. And again it is a lack of enforcement nothing broken except mining for votes. What Bishop Wester is calling for is AMNESTY pure and simple. Why doesnt he just say it instead of this broken system malarky!

CJ
Murray, UT

We need to reform the enforcement of immigration laws, they are just fine as they are. We need to start by replacing a President who is more worried about recruiting voters than protecting our borders and removing those who are here to do us harm. Every one in the world doesn't have the right to emigrate here and they especially don't have a right to crash the border and break the law.

danaslc
Kearns, UT

I would prefer that Bishop Wester would worry about the citizens that live in Utah. It seems that all the Legislating that Utah does, leaves the citizens of Utah out in the cold and feeling like we don't have a solid place within our state any longer. Articles such as these need to be pitted against an article of a family in Utah who are citizens, where dad or mom have lost jobs or wages have been lowered because of our laws in Utah on immigration. People like Bishop Wester have gotten on the wrong bandwagon. He needs to look inside the lives and living conditions of the legal citizen. We in Utah have hunger, loss of jobs, crime in our neighborhoods, split families and a feeling of lack of safety and concern by our leaders. Both coming from government and our religious leaders.

tenx
Santa Clara, UT

Question. Does reform, that the good Bishop refers to, mean amnesty or enforcement? Just checking. Viva Legal Immigration.

Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

If we are going to have a line for people to come to this country, you can't reward those that bypass the line. They need to be sent to the back of the line. That doesn't mean you should stop treating them like people.

Do you remember when you had to wait in line to buy
tickets to a movie, and then wait in line before going in? If you came to the theater and the show was full, you could buy a ticket to a later show. That was before you could order them at home, and know then where your seat was and what time to come to the theater.

You can't let everyone show up for the same movie or there would be no place to sit, and you do need some reasonable security and rules.

Why do we make immigration more complicated?

We have a new law. Lets use it. The sponsoring principle of 2011 HB 469 provides a limiting factor of how fast immigrants can come, makes sure they do not place a larger burden than we can handle, and is more like co-signing a friends car loan.

Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

"The Constitution of the United States grants authority to the federal government to regulate foreign commerce and to adopt a uniform rule of naturalization. The United States Supreme Court has also found inherent federal authority to regulate immigration on the basis of federal sovereignty and the power to engage in foreign affairs: this is sometimes referred to as the "plenary power," ....."

While the US Constitution doesn't specify that Immigration is a federal power, any treaties and agreements with other countries are federal powers. Not only is the federal government refusing to solve this problem, it is blocking the states from fixing it as well. That is wrong and should stop.

watchman
Salt Lake City, UT

Federal immigration laws are OK. The problem lies in the lack of enforcement. The lack of federal enforcement is what has caused the many, many states and local governments to find ways to attack the problems that have impacted them at this level.

What concerns most citizens is that when Bishop Webster and some of the other liberal thinkers call for 'immigration reform', they usually mean repeal of existing laws and enacting laws will legalize the invasion of our country.

They apparently have no concern about the identify theft, loss of jobs and real costs this brings upon our citizens.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Sorry, Bishop Wester, your demand to "...stand up against a record number of state immigration laws and local law enforcement initiatives" tells me all I need to know.

You do not seek a solution to the problem of criminal behavior, or violation of our clearly written (but poorly enforced) immigration laws. Instead you seek to overturn the sovereignty of the United States and subvert it to allow criminal actions to be declared legal.

What part of illegal do you fail to understand?

Instead you should be urging obedience to the law, and if family unity is important, you shuld be urging illegals to take all their family members back to their country of origin. The fact that children of illegals born in the U.S. are U.S. citizens is indeed a problem, and one that needs to be fixed by ending the "anchor baby" citizenship.

m.g. scott
LAYTON, UT

I'll tell Bishop Wester something else that "shreds the social fabric of our society". The COST of illegal immigration to American citizens who are killed by illegal drunk drivers. The cost of drugs coming across the border with the illegals. The amount of gang activity that comes into the country with illegals. The financial burden of dealing with the illegals. Need I go on? I know that the above is not the majority of illegals, but the fact that illegals are allowed in just adds to the aforementioned problems. We have enough home grown problems as it is. No need to add to it by allowing borders to be penetrated, and then allow them to stay after breaking the law.

Jazz Bass Man
Wellsville, Utah

Here we go again with more pro-criminal propaganda from the open borders crowd. When will the deseret news figure out that the people aren't going to buy into letting foreigners who broke our immigration laws stay here? We don't want them here, and we can no longer afford to pay their way here. They need to go back to mexico and demand their native country to take care of them.

ClarkKent
Bountiful, Utah

This Catholic Bishop's argument to support illegal immigration is off the wall! Very strange.

1conservative
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

Clergy would add much more credibility to themselves if they advocated ENFORCING the current laws, then, (provided enforcement is implemented effectively)3 or 4 yrs. from now advocating CHANGING the law.

As per usual, all they're doing is hoping for another few years of NO ENFORCEMENT.

They're really not fooling anyone!

Shawnm750
West Jordan, UT

Last I checked, Utah tried to pass laws that would enforce illegal immigration laws, and now we're getting sued by the U.S. Justice Department...

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

So "marriage is a fundamental right." So what's the point? Illegally entering and occupying this country should also be a "basic human right," since it may facilitate marriage? Is that the point? It's fine to respect God's law of marriage. The problem is disrespect for this country and its laws -- which ensure religious freedom in the first place. Just as it would be outrageous to do away with the institution of marriage so that no one need break religious laws, so is it outrageous to suggest effectively doing away with U.S. immigration law so that no one need be illegal.

The law does not break up families; rather, law-breakers break up their own families. Deportees are free to take their families with them. Thus the "family" issue is specious in the context of the immigration discussion.

"Reform," meaning amnesty, would welcome into this country persons who have manifest a basic disrespect for this country and its laws, to the detriment of the integrity, unity, and well-being of this country.

"...the least of my brethren..." And what is this supposed to mean? Look the other way at illegality? Jesus also said, REPENT and SIN NO MORE.

DeltaFoxtrot
West Valley, UT

We don't need to enforce immigration laws at all.

Illegals come here for jobs. If the jobs go away so will the illegals.

Require E-verify or a similar system nationally. Revoke the business licenses of corporations that do not comply.

We won't have to deport anyone, we won't be violating anyone's "civil rights." If they can't get work they will leave of their own accord.

Leopard
Cottonwood Heights, UT

This and the priest scandal is why I don't attend anymore, except on Easter and the mass for my son's ascension. The clergy should stick to working on the spiritual God realization of their flock, there is plenty of that work to do. People are lost and don't know how to have personal experience of God. The priests see themselves as the legitimate conduit. Now that is not good enough for them, they have to become political advocates. Perhaps they should rethink their preferred role in life.

toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

My opinion is that the breaking up of families caught in the immigration maze was initiated by those breaking the immigration laws in the first place.

My opinion is also along the lines that the Federal Government (Read: US Congress) is really what's broken as they not only refuse to deal with illegal immigration, but don't care thing one about a national energy policy, education reform, fairness in the tax code, elimination of the "dole" that has gone on for 3 generations now, the need for a strong military who's presence alone helps keep the peace, etc. They only care about being re-elected time and again.

Q: When can we fix at least one of these problems? A: Next election day. Hopefully the American People will have the courage and determination to get rid of the good-old-boy network in Washington DC. And regrettably simply replacing them with good-old-boy former State Legislators isn't much better, either. This is Democracy in a Republic run amuck!

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