@John Pack Lambert of Michigan:"Our laws need to be changed to
value keeping families together."It's not that tough to keep
families together... illegals just take your families with you as you exit."Right now our legal system too often separates couples as well as
children from parents as part of the immigrantion process."The
legal immigration process does no such thing. Come here leagally and you and
your families are welcome.
"These are real human beings here."And so are Americans,
and their children, as are bank robbers, rapists, and murderers. So
what's the point? The subtle implication here, of course, is that to
enforce immigration law is to treat illegals as subhumans. It is false. Indeed, the Utah Compact -- part of the stated rationale for holding the
conference here -- subtly misleads at every turn. A few more
examples: It claims to care about enforcement of immigration law,
when in actuality, it is opposed to such enforcement.It pretends to
care about the economy, when arguably, it cares only about the coffers of
certain special interests.It subtly implies that we have wronged
illegal aliens, when actually, they have wronged us. It implies that
Americans are on trial when, in fact, illegal aliens should be on trial for
breaking our laws.It implies that the law breaks up families, when
in fact, law-breakers break up their own families.Most egregiously,
it subtly implies that "loving thy neighbor" means endorsing and
looking the other way at illegality, when actually, it is time for our neighbors
to start showing a little "love thy neighbor" by respecting our
sovereignty and laws.
"These are real human beings here."And so are Americans,
and their children, as are bank robbers, rapists, and murderers. What's the
point? The subtle implication here, of course, is that to enforce immigration
law is to treat illegals as subhumans. It is false. Indeed, the
Utah Compact -- part of the stated rationale for holding the conference here --
subtly misleads at every turn. A few more examples: It
claims to care about enforcement of immigration law, when in actuality, it is
opposed to such enforcement.It pretends to care about the economy,
when arguably, it cares only about the coffers of certain special interests.It subtly implies that we have wronged illegal aliens, when actually,
they have wronged us. It imlies that Americans are on trial when, in
fact, illegal aliens should be on trial for breaking our laws.It
implies that the law breaks up families, when in fact, law-breakers break up
their own families.Most egregiously, it subtly implies that
"loving thy neighbor" means endorsing and looking the other way at
illegality, when actually, it is time for our neighbors to start showing a
little "love thy neighbor" to their neighbors to the North.
Wanting it made easier for people to come legally at a time of high unemployment
is not an answer. We can't open the doors to everyone when they want to come.
There will always be lines. The demand far exceeds the number of people we can
take in each year. As it is, over a million come here each year.
More than any other industrialized country. @DavidNichols, all
birthright children are returned with their parents if they are under 18.
(exception being those held by state family services for various reasons) The
only exception is if the parents have a relative who is a legal citizen that
volunteers to take them. Our country has lost the "human"
in the way we treat our citizens. Our workers have been turned into obsolete
labor by the use of cheap illegal labor. People have gotten away with breaking
the law for years, it's now caught up with them.
Now Nichols ain't you jumping to a conclusion a little to quickly? I find it
simplistic and narrow to take a few events and hinge the biggest down turn since
the great depression on what you have stated. Greed is perhaps more to blame
imho and it runs on both sides of the fence. The Desert News I think ran a
article a few weeks or months ago about a illegal who got caught and deported
but he gave up his legal rights to his teenage son(I think he was 16) saying
something like his boy didn't know Mexico. His son is in foster care and his son
is illegal also. Who is most likely footing the bill?? His DAD possible but not
likely. Many talk about TEARING apart the family but many decide their kids will
be better off living off the foster care dime here. Or perhaps I am wrong and
those parents are sending money here to support their kids!!
I believe that the churches should stay out of the this issue and should stay
with the business of saving people souls. I don't think thaat they should be
getting invoule with thie problems of the ilegalls issues. If they want to get
into this area than they need to lose their non profit staus. The problems with
the ilegalls are thatthey need to be sent back to were they came from and not
given any of the benifits that the U.S. citzens have. They should get no special
treatment, there are alot of people waiting to enter this country the ilegall
way, and they are the ones who should have frist shot not the ones who have
enter this country illegally.
There is so much irony that these organizers say this is a federal issue, yet
they are choosing to meet in Utah while glorifying this is the place for
immigrants. Isn't that an inherent contradiction??
This is one very active Mormon who is looking forward to joining my Catholic
brotherin in attending this conference. Yes our immigration laws are as broken
as our tax laws are. Anyone who cannot accept that has not looked at the facts
and is motivated by Nativist feelings rather than reason.
@ JBrady'No U.S. Citizen Children have ever been "Sent
Home"/Deported with their Parents.These Citizen Children's Home
is the U.S.!Fact: over Five Thousand two hundred are now in Foster
Care with their Parents Stipped away from them!The Prime Mortgage
Rate since the Deportations began is now far Lower than the So Called "Sub
Prime" Mortgages were! (A Direct Result.)Please watch out for
the "Boogey Men Bankers", The"Predatory Lenders", and my
favorite the "Bubble Fairy".Tens of thousands of Vacated
Immigrants Dwellings at the Exact same Time as the "Foreclosure
Crisis"couldn't have had any effect on Mortgages failing, could it?If a Branch fell on your head, could you figure out what hit you?Wake up.
Tanked U.S. Economy 101;A mass Exodus of Immigrants away from
America began in mid 2007 in advance of the upcoming start of the E-verify Law,
and the I.C.E. Deportation/Incarceration Programs which began January 2008.The vacated homes, and or Apartments began to turn the Real Estate
Market upside Down beginning mid 2007.Tens of Thousands of vacated
Immigrant Dwellings triggered, therefor caused theForeclosure Crisis in
America.Yes, as Home values plummeted, and there were less people to
rent/own Homes many Americans then let there Homes, even excess Homes go into
Forclosure.Many after taking out all the equity they could right
before letting them go into Foreclosure.These Americans should be
prosecuted for the damage they did to America's Economy.In short Yes
the Deportations/Mass Exodus of Good, Hard Working Immigrants is absolutely what
Caused America's Finacial Meltdown.This is our I.C.E.'d Economy.Not to mention what has happened to Food Costs.Wake up
America.We are Far Better than this.To: Liberty.
The new bishop of L.A., Jose Gomez, has voiced support for legal immigration.
His predecessor, Cdnl Mahoney did not. He has stated that amnesty would be a
"slap in the face" to those who have patiently supported the present
system in an attempt to come to this country legally. Unfortunately, as a
Catholic Navy veteran, I support the number of previous comments which believe
that the majority of Catholic bishops support an amnesty program for political
motives and most of these same bishops secretly support the Obama socialist
administration as opposed to the capitalist policies of the Romney campaign. If
you read the books of Malachi Martin, you will not be in doubt about the real
agenda of the Catholic Church in America.
@CJ"Americans are fed up with illegal immigration and any politician
who pedals it goes down, there are a ton of examples."Yeah,
like that guy who sponsored SB1070 in Arizona got voted out of office. Wait...
that's an example of the opposite... nevermind.
@"david nichols"VERY INTERESTING "take" on the
housing crisis! I've never heard that one.Illegals trespassers
though, aren't taking just the extremely difficult hard working jobs. They've
taken over MANY jobs beyond agriculture. As a matter of fact, the ones I know
WON'T do those jobs.BTW - you do realize I suppose that there IS a program
in place for farmers to fill those jobs through the H1 visa program?Most
don't bother; WHY should they? Immigration enforcement is all but nonexistent
anyway. For the last 18 months border patrol has been told to count
all the illegal immigrants that they stop at the border and tell to turn around
and go home as "deportations"Then there's the issue of
"free stuff" that we supply to illegal trespassers. WIC, food
stamps, free healthcare, education, etc.Why not just ENFORCE immigration
laws, then all the people who would like to "sponsor" an immigrant,
such as yourself could do that LEGALLY. But YOU AND YOU ALONE would be
responsible for their care and to make sure they learn our language and bail
them out of jail when they get arrested!Why involve the rest of us?
Immigration reform is not going to work if we just add more laws and rules to
supplement the ineffective laws already in place. The solution is simple: We
must change the laws to make entry easier for the good guys and near impossible
for the bad guys. Right now, we've got it backwards. Many of the folks who
"swim the river" or "hike the desert" do so because of the
befuddling red tape and expense required to come here and work. Let's make the
way easy for the workers and potential citizens, who come here with good intent.
And let's come down hard on those who come here with ill intent. Adding layer
after layer of new laws and regulations will make a bad situation worse. We need
a complete overhaul: Throw out what we have and start over!
@DavidNicholsThose 5,000 children are usually sent home with the parents.
The only exception being that they were taken away from the family by the
individual states family services because their parents didn't want them, or
there were other issues causing the child to be removed. E-verify
was around long before 2008, that was the date that Arizona made business use
it. Can't blame the recession on that, try sub prime loans. Deportations are being bused inside the country away from the borderI hope the Bishops can come up with a plan to stop more people from coming and
making it worse.
@ 1Conservative.Fact:Since the Start of the January 2008
I.C.E. Deportation Program for every Good, Hard Working Immigrant Deported,
America has lost over four times as many American jobs.The Fact is
that the Hard Labor Immigrants gladly used to do for America was the very
Foundation of our once Strong Economy, and this HARD LABOR supported all other
American jobs.Tens of thousands of vacated Immigrant Dwellings
triggered and caused the "Foreclosure Crisis."It is
Backward thinking that has cost America jobs!There is a Forest just
beyond those Trees.To: Good, and Brotherhood from Sea to shinning
It used to be that clergy urged their congregations to obey the law. Something
changed when I wasn't paying attention. I guess now we can all be a little
"selective" as to which ones we obey depending on whether we like them
or not.@"davidnichols"So you won't mind if we give
YOUR JOB to an illegal trespasser? If we're going to give foreign aid to
Mexico, why not distribute it directly IN Mexico, instead of throughout the
states? BTW - Mexico has the 7th largest economy in the world. I'm not sure
they need foreign aid. You're correct on your "foster children
issue" though, we REALLY SHOULD change the laws so illegal trespassers
can't hop across the border, give birth, and have their children receive
Fixing the nation's broken immigration system is a federal responsibility, says
Bishop John C. Wester of the Catholic Diocese of Salt Lake City.Who
is the federal government? is it not we the people, the citizens of the United
States? Who is the State government? again we the people the citizens of that
state? The laws in Utah are not affecting US citizens outside our borders. I
agree all humnans need to be treated with respect, though also needs to be held
accountable.I have to carry my drivers licence, proof of insurance
and car registration, when ever I drive. A visitor from Belgem came to vistit
and was shocked he did not have to carry his papers, infact he was always in a
pannic looking and asking where he had to show his papers when ever he passed a
town or state border. There are many other examples from around the world.hypothetical: rob a bank at gun point of millions, give to charity and
live a good life, have a family cause no other problems, should he not be held
accountable for the robery? it is harsh but being here illegally is the same.
I applaud President Obama for showing Great Leadership regarding Immigration
Reform.The E-verify Law, the I.C.E. Deportation Program, and
"The Worst Recession in U.S. History" all began together January
2008.This is No Co-incidence!"America is great
because it is good, when it ceases to be good, it ceases to be great."Alex De TocquevilleA very wise 1840's French Historian.Over
Five Thousand legal Citizen Hispanic Children are now in Foster Care with their
Parents Deported away from them.Over Forty-two Thousand Hispanic
"Human Beings" now lie dead at the Harsh U.S. Mexico Border where
I.C.E. has Deported/Dumped Hundreds of Thousands with nothing, not even water,
into the middle of a known "Drug War", to be killed, or to die of the
elements.This is not the America that I was raised in!We
can rebuild Nations all over the World for people that resent, even hate us,
surely we can treat our own Family members in our "Homeland" as
"Human".This is a good start!We can Control
our Borders , and still treat "Human Beings" as such!To:
Fixing the nation's broken immigration system is a federal responsibility, says
Bishop John C. Wester of the Catholic Diocese of Salt Lake City.Come on
Bishop get of that old mantra, Broken System. There is nothing wrong with our
immigration laws that some good old enforcement won't cure! As far as families
broken up it happens everyday in our justice system. People are sent to jail and
families are broken up. Those families can not join their family member in jail.
Those who are deported their families can go with them. Enough wah wah wah.
With the Bishop leading this it is going to be nothing short of an amnesty
fest.Americans are fed up with illegal immigration and any politician who pedals
it goes down, there are a ton of examples. The next one to go will be Obama who
is now trying to soften up in order to get political gain as usual. I for one am
tired of hearing about the break up of families. This is a total farce, there is
a road to travel back to Mexico, take the whole family, hold a reunion in Mexico
any day of the week. The only thing stopping them is some of the family members
are breaking the law. In the U.S. when some of our family members break the law
they go to prison and it breaks up our families as well. Until every one in the
family decides to obey the law and go the legal route, family break up is a
price we all pay. Obey the law or reunite back where you came from, stop the
nonsense in the meantime, we don't want to hear it any longer.
When they speak of immigrant do they refer to a LEGAL immigrant or an illegal
alien? I hope their reform discussion will include enforcement. No one that I
know has a problem with legal immigration, it's the illegal trespasser that
causes the problem. They should encourage respect for our and all countries
laws. Viva legal immigration.
Our laws are not broken. We have people in our government not enforcing
immigration and identity theft laws as they are written. We have millions of
people who are dishonestly breaking the immigration laws, and identity theft
laws. We have people encouraging the lawbreaking. This is what's broken. Force government to change, or change them. Stop new lawbreakers and
deal out the prescribed punishment to those who break the laws, and question
those who encourage the dishonesty. Would we have this mess if laws
were enforced? Pope Benedict called on immigrants to respect the
laws and national identity of their host countries. October 26) 2010,
"States have the right to regulate migration flows and to defend their own
frontiers, always guaranteeing the respect due to the dignity of each and every
human person. Immigrants, moreover, have the duty to integrate into the host
Country, respecting its laws and its national identity."
I've never heard the Bishops or pro-illegal advocates try to stop the problem.
They just keep calling for amnesty, it's not about the people here, it's about
them controlling our immigration now, and in the future with illegal activity.
Families are kept together as much as any country can when people
break immigration laws. Legal immigration of old broke up more families, it was
the choice of those who came here. Just like it's the choice of those who come
here illegally. If you marry a person in this country that has been
here for over a year illegally, then you (and children) pay the price, the law
is quite clear, a three or 10 year ban is mandated.
Our laws need to be changed to value keeping families together. Right now our
legal system too often separates couples as well as children from parents as
part of the immigrantion process.We should at a minimum end all
deportations of spouses of United States citizens. This should especially apply
to cases where the spuse was here priviously and they met in the United
States.Tough rules on granting visas to bring a person to marry in
the United States are reasonable, and whether the US should recognize weddings
entered into the phone is debatable. However if people were married in the
United States and one of them is a citizen, the other should not face
deportation.I would also advocate the same rules if one of the
people has permanent resident status, but my minimum proposal is still better
than the current system.
I would hope that these respected religious leaders would call for respect for
the law, and adherence to legal processes for immigration.However, I
fear that they will instead demand amnesty, removal of our current immigration
laws, and for de facto sanctuary cities to be the norm, not the exception. If
that is the case, I can no longer respect these leaders.What part of
"obey the law and you are not illegal" do they fail to understand?Hispanic immigrants, the legal kind, are a welcome asset to our country,
but the illegals are not.