Re: UU32I've heard the comparison to Tim Tebow and quite frankly
it's pretty appropriate--not because Nelson is as good as Tebow or that he's
going to lead his team to a national championship or win himself a
Heisman--because he is a scrambler first with an average to below average arm
who plays with a tremendous amount of heart, seemingly bucking the odds.As far as the constant claim of recruits winning Heismans, that has Ute
Trolls written all over it.
After reading this article or any others about BYU it is crazy because the same
UTE fans are talking smack and saying how superior the UTE football program
is.Lets look back 40 years at the 2 schools records examine the body of work.
The Utes were pretty sorry most of those years you could get a seat in Rice
stadium any game.The sportswriters look at the tradion of winning face it BYU
has a longer more meaningful tradition in football.The UTEs have done well the
last 10 years or so but many of you act like you are USC or Notre Damesorry but not quite yet.It is very annoying to read the silly posts my dad can
beat up your dad type stuff.If the UTES dominate for the next 20 years and have
a simialr body of work then I suppose that you have a case. Until then keep it
in perspective and try to be positive don't just jump on every BYU article and
post the same old stupid remarks.BYU has had 8 All American QB's NCAA record
galore NC Heisman winner we are still way ahead of U.......
giantfan -- Or from Deseret News writers (e.g. the article on RN being the
collegiate Tim Tebow.
UU32,"Now we are great again, if we'd only played like this at
the beginning of the year - wait until our BCS run next year - Reily is the next
Tim Tebow - look at the recruits - there are two or three Heisman
candidates."The only people I hear that kind of crud from is
Utah fans claiming that BYU fans are saying it.
mesoute,No excuses from Ute fans? "We lost to a 2-10 team (1-7
in conference) that hadn't won a road game in 4 years because they have athletic
prowess. That means they're capable of putting it together for 60 minutes once
every blue moon. I mean, how else do you explain them beating the mighty
giantfan, We heard the same thing at the end of last season from BYU
football fans - look how we finished the year off -- if the Cougs had played
that way all year - next year with Heaps will be a run at a BCS game - Domain is
going to have the offense humming - Bronco says they are practicing so well that
he is giving them days off at the movies - a National Championship is well
within reach during the Jake Heaps era - Jake will set himself up for a Heisman
run - etc., etc., etc. Then, 54-10. The response? We stink, get rid
of Heaps, Domain is too inexperienced, Bronco has lost the team because the
defense quit in the 4th quarter, etc. etc. etc. Then, after a few
more games against sub-par teams - and an admitted nice win against a conference
USA team - we are back to the eternal circle of life as a BYU football fan --
Now we are great again, if we'd only played like this at the beginning of the
year - wait until our BCS run next year - Reily is the next Tim Tebow - look at
the recruits - there are two or three Heisman candidates.
@giantfan:Intangibles and immeasurable data seem to be the only thing that
matters to BYU fans. I was only trying to speak your language. Unsuccessfully it
would seem. I have yet to gain fluency in hypothetical and excuse-driven
linguistics. Please read my comment above to Duckhunter and imagine
it was written to you so that you may also answer the question. In case you
don't want to make the effort I'll ask you directly; What was the final score of
the football game played on a tangible field in a tangible setting in front of
tangible fans on September 17th, 2011?Thank You
"Would you pick Utah to win by 44 if they were to play again this
season?"Why the "ifs?" They won't play again this
year. You should accept it and move on. I would not pick Utah to win by 6 TDs
with Hays, but I think Utah would win by 2 TDs. Keep in mind this
was on your field and completely and utterly humiliated you, your
"fan" base that sprinted for the exits after the 3rd quarter, and
players, all of whom threw in the towel at the same time or sooner than the
"fans." Not only that but it ensured that you were going to the
Armed Forces Bowl. Hilarious!
From reading all of these comments, it sounds like we should just give him the
Heisman right now. He obviously will enter the NFL Draft after his first
season.I just don't know how BYU gets these incredible athletes year
after year (scratching head).
MESOUTE,And, let me get this straight, since Colorado has superior
athletic prowess, even though they stink as a team, that's how they were able to
rise up just one game and beat the mighty Utes? A team that is so obviously 44
points better day-in and day-out than a BYU team that went 10-3 and finished
ranked in a major poll? Are you so sure about that? Would you pick Utah to win
by 44 if they were to play again this season?
MESOUTE,I love your use of the undefinable, unmeasureable, abstract
term "athletic prowess". And it's quite a statement to even insinuate
that Colorado hands down had it more than any other team BYU beat this year
(i.e. Ole Miss, UCF, Oregon State, Tulsa). How do you figure? Do you really have
a way to measure it? Or are you using it as an excuse to try and justify such a
terrible Utah loss? I'll assume the latter.
@ Duckhunter:But . . .If . . .But again . . .If
this had happened . . .Ever since that game . . .Duck, two
teams under consideration played each other in Provo, home of the Cougars this
past season. What did the score board read at the final horn? That is all I am
asking. I am not asking about games before nor after September 17th. I am not
asking for any other response other than what the score board read at the end of
the game in question.Thank You.Again, if BYU beats the Utes,
you have every right to disseminate your views and I for one will not speak in
hypotheticals as to why the Cougars were victorious. Until that day, you would
do well to remember what that score board said at the end of the game. Unless
you were one of the many thousands to leave before the final seconds ticked
away. But even then, I am sure you are aware of the final score.Thanks
phoenix,Lot's of conjecture and hate in your post. Please produce a quote from me that states that I think Utah is better than
USC or that I would have "beaten my chest about winning the South."
I'll save you some time and inform you that you won't find one. After ASU beat
USC, I was hopeful that they would win the South and not have an asterisk next
to their name. It seemed very possible and then the meltdown ensued.Whether you're a Utah fan or not, going 8-5 in your first year of BCS play
without your starting QB is good, but not great. I knew the sledding was going
to be tough, having followed the PAC for several years before Utah became a
part. In fact, if you good back and look I predicted that Utah would finish 7-5
on the season. That is a good, but not great start. I think they've built
momentum heading into year 2 and what looks like a strong recruiting class (#29
on Rivals) and a lot of respect on the ESPN blog proves it.
DevilishUte Troll"So BYU weaseled its way into the top 25 in
the USA Today poll..."It's laughable that a Utah troll would
whine about USC's ineligibility clearing a spot for BYU to be ranked in the Top
25, when, if Utah hadn't laid an egg against Colorado, U would still be beating
your chest about winning the PAC 12 South, even though USC was clearly the best
team in your division.
"Do you think BYU will go into RES this year and come away with a win? I
would love to see what you guys think."UtahUte16To
answer your question, I honestly think it's possible. After all, most people
were expecting BYU to win this last year, so anything can happen (although I
hate to admit that in the rivalry game BYU tends to under-perform and Utah tends
to over-perform). However, looking at 2010 and BYU should have won that game,
despite it being at RES.I don't know for sure who will win. It
depends on whether the teams show up or not. Utah will certainly have an
advantage with it being at home, but Riley Nelson has a funny way of winning
close games despite his questionable QB skills.
No, 54-10, you are the priceless one!
So we got a receiver that can throw the ball a little as well. Hmm im sure Doman
will take advantage of this and design some nice trick plays to allow Collie to
throw some passes from time to time. Going to be fun to watch this kid over his
four years at BYU.
To BYU fansDo you think BYU will go into RES this year and come away
with a win? I would love to see what you guys think.
@mesoute"Although CU was a collectively horrendous team, their
athletic prowess was and is heads above anything that the Y played all year
outside of their games in which they lost. Save the rhetoric until your school
actually beats the Utes again."I highly doubt colorado's
"athletic prowess was and is heads above" Ole Miss's. Both are bad
teams but colorado is the worst team in the 2nd to the worst bcs conference and
hadn't won a road game in over 4 years until they worked utah over. Ole Miss is
the worst team in the indisputably best conference in the country and simply had
their worst year in quite some time. Then there is the unfortunate fact that BYU
actually beat Ole Miss, ON THE ROAD, while utah actually lost to colorado, AT
HOME.Save your rhetoric until utah actually beats the worst team in
their conference (outside of themselves of course) and hopefully they can at
least do that at home.LOL!
It's laughable that Ute fans seem to believe that Utah was better than BYU the
whole season, and not just for that one game. They seem to think that a rematch
would produce the same result. Newsflash: the NC game was a rematch, and it
DIDN'T have the same result!
@GiantFan:In the most succinct way possible I will attempt to answer your
question, although I know that you nor any other Cougar fan will stand
convinced. You are correct, losing to a horrendous Colorado team was and is
unacceptable. That, however, should not embolden you and others to start
screaming about how the Utes got worse as the season went along. What it told me
as I sat in the stands is that Utah underestimated the team from CU, and that CU
had enough division 1 BCS talent to take every advantage. Although CU was a
collectively horrendous team, their athletic prowess was and is heads above
anything that the Y played all year outside of their games in which they lost.
Save the rhetoric until your school actually beats the Utes again. Could be next
year, or maybe not. The fact remains that the two schools played once this year
and we all know how that turned out. I for one can't wait. If we win, we win, if
we lose, we get to hear the Provo spin machine at work for yet another year,
which is always extremely entertaining.
I think the DNews prints article like this just to get the trolls from both
sides going. The article wasn't very interesting but the comments are great.
Pitchers and catchers report in a month.
I bet he would have been good enough to start at the U this year...
"The only measure of who was actually better the Y or U. Is for those two
teams to play which they did....54 - 10 I would say ends that
discussion."What a naive approach to analyzing two football
teams. Don't quit your day job. I've asked this before and maybe a Ute could
somehow man-up and explain it to me: If Utah was and is 44 points better than
BYU then how did they possibly lose to Colorado? The 107th ranked team in the
country? BYU played some bad competition, no doubt, but they didn't lose to
anyone even remotely that bad. They played plenty of competition that bad but
what did they do? Whether it was at home or on the road? Beat them.
DevilishUte Troll,"So BYU weaseled its way into the top 25 in
the USA Today poll because of extenuating cirsumstances and a JV schedule?
Impressive (heavy on the sarcasm)."I said in a previous post
that I believe BYU does not deserve to be in the top-25. However, they
"weaseled" their way into the rankings? How does a team do that? Isn't
it the coaches that vote for that, including Kyle? Interesting in that format
you think a team could some how wedge their way in if enough people didn't think
they deserved it. USC does not deserve to be ranked. They're on
probation, or did you forget that? Or are you okay with a program cheating with
no ramifications? You'd think a Ute would be all for them being on probation
considering the chance it gave you this season to sniff a Pac-12
Championship."As for the Texas game, are you making the claim
that BYU got better as the season went along, but Texas didn't?"BYU definitely got better. I don't know about Texas, I didn't follow them
closely or at all really. Maybe they did get worse. Utah sure seemed to.
Cougie fan's relax on who was the better team this year. What's obvious to
everybody is that the Y beat nobody this year. The only time they played a
decent team they lost. They did'nt progress through out the year. They just went
from playing decent teams, to playing bottom dwellers in the WAC. Truth is we
have no clue how good they were. Going off who their losses, and wins were
against it say's they werent very good....but who knows for sure. They played
too many bad teams to really know for sure. The only measure of who
was actually better the Y or U. Is for those two teams to play which they
did....54 - 10 I would say ends that discussion.
'" But I think we both know who the better team was at the end of the
season."Yes, it is the same team that won on 9/17.' Maybe so but, no one outside the state of Utah recognizes"You
know who won. Aren't you in TX?
'" But I think we both know who the better team was at the end of the
season."Yes, it is the same team that won on 9/17.' Maybe so but, no one outside the state of Utah recognizes that...seems there
is nothing a Ute can do for a break from the shadow...
"BYU is not ranked higher than USC in any poll that is allowed to rank
them, by the way."So BYU weaseled its way into the top 25 in
the USA Today poll because of extenuating cirsumstances and a JV schedule?
Impressive (heavy on the sarcasm).As for the Texas game, are you
making the claim that BYU got better as the season went along, but Texas didn't?
DevilishUte Troll,Also, it should be noted, I don't believe BYU
deserves a top-25 ranking. I believe they're somewhere about 28-32. I do believe
they're a much better team than they were at the beginning of the year.
Certainly better than they were Sept. 17. And if you really believe Utah was and
is 44 points better than BYU, then why did they lose to Colorado? If Utah truly
is 44 points better than BYU, they also shouldn't have lost to ASU, Cal, Wazzou
or even USC. Fact of the matter is, 54-10 was not indicative of the strengths of
the two teams on the field, just like 17-16 wasn't either. The results of the
rest of the season bear that out for both teams. Sometimes teams play mediocre,
sometimes poor and sometimes absolutely horrible. The horrible game for BYU was
Sept. 17. The one for Utah was Nov. 25.What's also interesting is
BYU allowed their worst performance to happen against their bitter rival. Utah
allowed it to happen when they had so much on the line with a potential Pac-12
Championship Game and even a possible a Rose Bowl berth.
DevilishUte,I have thought about it. Texas barely beat BYU in a home
game early in the year. Since the Utah game, both BYU and Utah have gone in
different directions, i.e. Utah got worse when it lost Wynn and BYU got better
when it benched Heaps. As far as who would beat BYU and who wouldn't, that is
certainly up for debate. I do agree with you, however, that USC would beat BYU.
BYU is not ranked higher than USC in any poll that is allowed to rank them, by
giantfan,If we are to believe the polls, then BYU is better than
Utah (beat BYU by 44), Texas (beat BYU), Penn State (would beat BYU handily),
USC (would CRUSH BYU), Auburn (would beat BYU).........Think about
Collie better learn to block down field - the skill he will need most at BYU.
Certainly more than trying to catch wobbly passes.
Re: DevilishUte Troll"Yes, it is the same team that won on
9/17."Funny how no one else outside the Ute bubble seems to
agree with you, i.e. the polls, both human and computer.Not even
your coach agrees with you. How many votes did Utah get in the coaches poll?
Zero? Doesn't Kyle have a vote? So he himself didn't even see Utah worthy of a
#25 vote. Maybe you should give him a call and talk some sense into him.
Re: 54-10You got 54-10, that's all you wanted anyway, seeing how you
made it your username. Live it, up, enjoy it, it's okay. But there is no doubt
BYU was the better team at the end of the year. Ranked 25/26 in the major polls,
ranked well ahead of Utah in every poll I could find, including the six computer
polls used to determine the BCS rankings. Obviously the consensus of America and
the College Football watching public from sea to shining sea is that BYU
finished the season as a better team. Of course, I don't expect a Ute fan to
give any credit to anything consensus regarding BYU, i.e. 1984 and Jimmer POY,
but by failing to recognize these things only goes further to cement the Ute
legacy as the Little Brother of the Wasatch Front and the true delusional fan.
Like I said, nothing to be ashamed of, you got 54-10 and you're in
the Pac-12, the end-all be-all of everything Utah has ever aspired to. Enjoy it!
" But I think we both know who the better team was at the end of the
season."Yes, it is the same team that won on 9/17.
@ CougFaninTX | 11:47 a.m. Jan. 11, 2012 Frisco, TX " I
concede that Utah was the better team on September 17. But I think we both know
who the better team was at the end of the season."Priceless.Typical Cougar fan.
re: davidutefan"Did he or you see the game with Utah? what was it
54-10? Keep going on about football in the state of Utah. Scoreboard"It's about a season, not a game. I concede that Utah was the better
team on September 17. But I think we both know who the better team was at the
end of the season.
I wish I had a time machine, I would not have wasted my time reading this non
Boyd K Packer would love this story.
so the question is...is he any good at quarterback?
CougFaninTx: Did he or you see the game with Utah? what was it 54-10? Keep going
on about football in the state of Utah. Scoreboard.
"Did anyone tell Collie that BYU is "WAC" Champions?! "You know, that's what makes BYU great. We dont' have to define
ourselves on just two championship wins. It's about football, it's about the
game, it's about the tradition and history . . . something Utah will never
understand. All you care about is being on top or your're worthless.Proud to be a Cougar!!
Just another weapen we might use him to qb and pass the ball to our primary qb.
Let im play quarterback at BYU, he's bound to be better then Nelson.
re: Honor Code"Did anyone tell Collie that BYU is "WAC"
Champions?!"Are you still stuck in the last century, when BYU
regularly won the WAC Championship and Utah was a cellar dwellar in the WAC?
Hopefully, remembering how U used to rank in the WAC will help U deal with your
new role in the PAC. Maybe U should have stayed in the MWC. That was the only
respectable decade of Ute football.I'm pretty sure Collie knows who
is the only Top 25 FB team in the state of Utah.
Re: murray19,Such a stupid story that you commented twice? 16 hours
apart? Me thinks that someone has a BYU obsession.
Colie switches to QB? Sounded like something more than for 2 games he filled in
at QB. A bit different that a real position change.
Ute fans are you just a little jealous Byu has so many players in the qb
department or that have played qb Utah should use this past season as a lesson
learned as Byu did when we had so many qb's go down with injuries recruit heavy
on that position every year
Did anyone tell Collie that BYU is "WAC" Champions?!
Murray 19: Apparently you care, You read the article and commented on it it.
We have some great commits for 2012, and Dylan is one of them. Now I'll be
looking for him to throw a flea flicker on a WR double reverse. LoL
@ Murray19 - who forced you to read the article?
Good stuff GMan. I wasn't aware that Dylan played qb this year.
Good to know he's got a semblance of an arm. Austin was used a little as a
wildcat qb his senior year.One correction is that Austin married
Jordan's sister and therefor Dylan and Jordan are not brothers in law. Their
two families are very close though. I believe Jordan's and Dylan's dads were
teammates/roommates while at BYU in the early 80's.
@DevilishUteIt must have been if you took the time to read it. Or maybe
that's your BYU obsession? Which one would you like to admit to?
If he is even half as good as his brother Austin, he will be fun to watch in
What a stupid title and story. Who cares if he played some back-up QB? Did any
other commit ever fill in at other positions inquiring minds want to know?
DevilishUte,So when will you add 'Troll' to the end of your
username? Now that would be cute.
It's still god to be a Cougar Fan! (Even if the TUN says we and the Poles don't
What a cute story.