@MiPBy any estimation by any objective observer, the PAC12 stinks in
basketball this year. They have consistently been outperformed by every
"mid-major" and the only way the best of the PAC12 will have
respectable records is by beating up on each other. PAC12 teams have been
bested by the MWC, the WCC, the WAC and just about everybody else. If selections
are made on the basis of past years' performance, then the PAC12 will have five
teams in, but selection should be based on this year's performance, in which
case, the PAC12 might have just one or two teams that merit inclusion. If, at
the end of the season, the PAC12 has no team in the top twenty-five, they should
receive one bid--or two, if they have a different regular season champion than
their tournament champion.
@Jake2010This ol' ignorant rube took yer advice and went to the
PAC12 standings and found that Colorado so far has beat Utah (quality win?),
Washington State( lost to Utah-ouch) and Washington, all at home. In fact,
Colorado has had only two road games out of their first fifteen games! Quality
wins have come against such powerhouses as Lewiston College, Air Force
(overtime), Georgia(2 point), Texas Southern, and University of Nebraska, Omaha
(you remember them--your quarterback played there before they dropped football).
Losses have come with Wichita at home, and Maryland at home and Wyoming at home
and mighty Colorado State on the road. I also found that the only PAC12 school
even recieving top 25 votes in any of the polls was Stanford. If Colorado is
invited to the NCAA Tournament, it will only be because they win the conference
title or conference tournament in a very weak conference or get a gift from the
Lunardi's bracketology is "if the season ended now, Joe, how would you seed
them?" Nothing more. So BYU at 11, would imply they are anywhere from about
the 41st-44th best team in the country; seems pretty reasonable.====="The PAC12 will surely get more bids than they deserve but--
Colorado?"gchrisI can understand questioning the buffs,
but you'll have to explain how you "surely" know the PAC-12 will get
more than they "deserve." Are you trying to base it on
recent years? 2011?:Washington, #7-> Second Round Arizona, #5-> Elite-8UCLA, #7 -> Second RoundTotal 5-3
(based on seeding should have been 3-3)MWC:UNLV, #8,
one-and-doneSDSU, #2, sweet-16BYU, #3, sweet-16Total 4-3,
(seeding->6-3)How bout 2010?PAC-12: 3-2
(seeding->1-2)MWC: 2-4 (seeding->4-4)2009?PAC-12:
6-6 (seeding->4-6)MWC: 0-2 (seeding->2-2)From
2006-2008?PAC-12: 26-16 (seeding 24-16). 3 UCLA final fours including a 1
vs 1 game.MWC: 3-6 (seeding->3-6)Based on these facts, your
sure claim seems more like conspiracy.
Colorado being projected? They are presently 14-4 and 3-0 in the Whacky-12.
Gchris, go look at the PAC-12 standings to see why they are being projected to
make the big dance... Really folks, know what you're talking about before coming
into public and displaying for the world to see yer ignorance... Ignorance is
not bliss it is pathetic.
Why is anyone projecting Colorado? They lost to both Wyoming and Colorado
State. The PAC12 will surely get more bids than they deserve but-- Colorado?
The WCC will get 3 bids this year. Any of the top 3 WCC teams would win the
PAC 12 this year. As would any of the top 3 MWC teams. Both BYU and
Gonzaga are well respected and The Gaels are very good this year.
Indemark:Our team may have an 11 seed but U have 11 losses.Hang in there lil band of transfers!lol
Yeah, the Pac 10 is pretty weak in Basketball. They'll get about 3 teams. I just don't think that the WCC gets enough respect back East to get 3
teams into the Tournament. If the automatic bid ends up going to St Mary's,
Gonzaga will get the only at large bid from this conference, unless BYU beats
them twice in regular season. Gonzaga has a better winning reputation in
tournament play and maybe better name recognition, although Jimmer and Co may
have rectified that last year.Anyway, this sort of speculation is
WAY to premature. Let's just play one game at a time!
The only way the PAC 12 gets 7 bids is if 5 of them are to the CBI.
MWC - solid for 3 bids#3 UNLV#8 SDSU#9 New MexicoWCC - solid for 3 bids#5 Gonzaga#8 Saint Mary's#11 BYUPAC 12 - shakey for 2 bids#9 Stanford#11 California#14
ColoradoA couple of home wins against Saint Mary's and Gonzaga and
sweeping the other WCC teams will move the Cougars back up to a #8 pick and
ensure an at large bid.Not bad for a rebuilding year, sans Jimmer
and Jackson, and with NINE freshmen on the roster.That's just the
way it is.
IndeMak, don't make me laugh! PAC will be lucky to get three, maybe four. They
are no better than the WCC this year. 5 to 7 is just laughable!
Wait... what? Last week they were an 8 or 9 seed.
I would prefer an 11 seed to an 8-9 seed. The 8-9 seed gets the #1 seed in the
2nd round whereas the 11 seed would get the 3rd seed.
IndeMak,Not sure where you are getting your information from but Joe
Lunardi currently projects only 3 teams from PAC in the tournament (Cal,
Colorado and Stanford), the same number of teams projected for the WCC (BYU,
Gonzaga and St Marys). Obviously it is way too early to know how Selection
Sunday will shake out but Lunardi is something of an expert on the subject. ;)
IndeMak Not sure...1. where you get your info...2. where on earth you could even substantiate the claim that the PAC 12
will get even 5 slotsbut keep dreaming, or hating, whichever suits
you.YGYDAgreed. everything takes care of itself if they
just in.Predictions are stupid at this point, anything can happen.
re:IndeMak - You're joking, right? I know it's early to start forecasting
brackets, but I have yet to see any professional bracketologist forecast more
than four PAC teams. I've seen several of them forecast three PAC teams. Who
would you send besides Colorado, Stanford, California and maybe Arizona? There
is no way the PAC is a seven team conference. But thanks for the chuckle.Every bracket I've seen has three WCC teams in. Assuming St Marys,
Gonzaga and BYU only lose to each other - all three should be in. A couple of
wins (home or away) against St Marys, Gonzaga or Va Tech would improve the Cougs
It's hard to imagine the PAC getting 7 slots this year, but as for BYU, yes,
let's just win a bunch of games please including against Gonzaga and hope that
the WCC gets enough invites to at least cover the cougs. THEN we can complain
about how low we were seeded...Just win, baby, and the rest will
take care of itself. Although it is fun to hear somebody's neutral day
This is what is called the Utah State Factor. Win a bunch of games against poor
to mediocre competition and lose against the really good teams. It gets your
team a seed anywhere from 10 to 14. It usually means an early out. Only good win
came against an Oregon team that looked less than inspired. The rest are simply
mediocre to poor wins. The WCC is usually a one team conference. Usually goes to
Gonzaga. Even if WCC is better than other conferences like the MWC, more teams
from the MWC will get the nod. The Pac 12 will easily get 5-6 teams and as many
as 7 this year.
These "projections" seem months premature. Let's at least wait until
February to project how things look for March.
Not so fast! Maybe an 11 in another month.