" . . . it is not the media's job to be the jugde [sic] and jury or to
report things of this nature. Demanding the affidavit, are you serious?"Spell:Yes, at some point the public has a absolute right to
know how decisions are made to issue warrants that suspend the constitutional
right of privacy, particularly when there seemingly were other, less
confrontational alternatives. Information that would expose confidential sources
might be redacted or delayed temporarily if critical to conviction. If you think the public can't know that, then you might as well learn how to
spell "Deutschland, Deutschlan Uber Alles" for us.
First of all, it is not the media's job to be the jugde and jury or to report
things of this nature. Demanding the affidavit, are you serious? This is a
criminal case, the media has already caused enough speculation to keep this case
from going to trial for years...if and when the truth comes out it should be in
a court of law, but that will never happen if he takes a plea deal and since he
was contacted by a public defender, you can bet this will not go to trial.
I've been saying for years that not wearing a seat belt is simply a stepping
stone to more serious "criminal" activity. Next time you see someone
driving "unbuckled" consider what potentially lies ahead for them. This incident underscores the fact that law enforcement needs to get
these seat belt offenders (criminals) off the street before they step it up and
go on a rampage. If this young man would have been thrown in jail for the first
violation none of this would have happened.Quite frankly, I'm
surprised they only went in with a SWAT team of 6 or 8 men. I mean, if you're
going to wake a sleeping pot head in the middle of the night shouldn't you have
at least 20 or 30 fully armed officers.The silver lining in this
gray cloud is that Ogden is now a safer place with that one marijuana plant
uprooted and no longer growing in the basement.
So Cal Reader I know the father not real well but have had some business
dealings with him and he has always impressed me as a pretty good guy. You are
right estranged changes the whole equation as to what influence you might have.
Tragic at best. Everyone needs to wait until all the facts are in. Lighten up on
Nebsy and CWEB raise good points. If the media will do their jobs,
they should sniff out the affidavit supporting the warrant application. The
public has a right to know what the police were telling the judge that issued
it. Was this a product of sloppy homework? It sure seems from what we know at
this point that there were less confrontational alternatives to getting the
evidence the police sought, like a no-knock warrant at a time when he was at
The officers came in guns pulled? They couldn't pick this guy up at Walmart? I
don't understand what was so dangerous about this suspect, that required a
freaking swat team to go flying in...Is there more information?
Tell me there is more to this story...there HAS to be more, because if they
charged into his home in the middle of the night...sheesh, do none of
these guys have a brain to go with their guns?Did they know he was
ex-military? Did they know what he was capable of? Hmmm.
I hope that the incident will provoke police units to reconsider their tactics.
Is anybody surprised by this? Should it not be a man's intent to eliminate the
threat of men breaking down a door and storming into his home? Does big brother
presume that we are all conditioned to roll over with our empty hands up and
surrender if somebody pounds down the door and storms into our homes yelling in
the middle of the night.My sympathy to the officers. This was their
training and it was flawed in my opinion. Seems evident that the only threat
this man exhibited on society was his lack of using a seatbelt. Also seems more
prudent that the team could have approached the man under more ideal conditions.
Was their an immediate need to go in and get the 'criminal' by risking the lives
of law enforcement? Was any information gathered about the 'non-seatbelt
wearer' prior to serving the warrant that could have prevented this response.
I.E. did they choose to wake the man from a sound sleep and surprise him in the
darkI await details but suspect that much could have been prevented.
Very sad situation all around. The father seems to be very genuine. For those of
us who are parents, we know there's only so much we can do. This dude is 37
years old, living on his own, and estranged from his family. My word, not much a
parent(s) can do with that. I hope for a full recovery from the injured
officers, and my prayers go out to the Francom family
@Brave Sir Robin: I will point you to history. Look at prohibition. Look at the
rate of violent crime associated with it. Look what happened when it was
repealed. That should be evidence enough.
All for a little weed. How senseless.
just because alcohol and nicotine are legal doesnt make it right. How many lives
have been affected because of alcohol and tobacco use? Too many people have had
their worlds shaken because a drunk driver took the live of a loved one. Too
many people have watched as a loved one died a slow and painful death as they
battled lung cancer which could have been caused by secondhand smoke. No matter
how you try to justify it doesnt make it right.
I think it would be safe to say that any rushing to judgement right now, whether
it's about the shooter's parent's point of view or whether it be about the
shooter and his motives, or even whether this is a case to describe the problem
with the "war on drugs"..... would be a huge mistake. There are lots
of details in cases like this, most of which are probably unknown. God bless
all who have been affected by what happened. Hopefully we will all unite behind
those who have lost loved ones.
Brave Sir Robin, I think you have missed the point. What we now have is a
double-standard. A substance called "nicotine" is among the most
addictive drugs known to man. Another one, called "alcohol," has
mind-altering properties and is also potentially addictive. Both of these
substances are legally available for consumption.What we are
experiencing, the thing that this tragedy reflects, is an echo of the same
problems that ended prohibition. This is what happens when we regulate the
things that can lead to bad behavior instead of simply regulating the bad
behavior. The way we mistreat our bodies--drugs/medicines, herbs,
food, etc.--ought not be subject to regulation. If certain substances contribute
to actual crime, that is, infringement of the rights of others, then the legal
consequences ought to be informed by that fact and thus rendered more severe.
Ridiculous laws--this insane "war on drugs"--creates its
own bad-guys. We've made a whole new class of criminals and given them a reason
to become desperate.
A seat belt violation and driving without insurance 7 years ago is a
"limited criminal history"? Then, we must ALL have "limited
"Police said the alleged gunman has a limited criminal history.""A search of Utah court records indicates that Matthew Stewart has
had a misdemeanor conviction of driving without insurance in 2005, and a seat
belt violation in 2004."So, is driving without insurance and/
or a seatbelt give one a criminal history in UT?There must be more
to the story, from both sides. I can understand how someone
awakened from a deep sleep, with a loaded gun nearby, might start shooting
before realizing who/what he is shooting.Perhaps the gunman has
other mental illnesses--such as paranoid schizophrenia? It often appears in the
early 20's.My condolences to all.
Yeah, legalizing weed would set a great precedent. That's saying that good and
bad behavior is a function of the popularity of the behavior? So basically
you're saying that right and wrong should be decided by how many people are
doing the wrong thing? So if we all get together and decide that it would be
great to beat up little old ladies, it should be legal because everybody wants
to do it? Unbelievable...
This is why they should legalize marijuana, would have saved one officers life
and the injury of 5 others as well as the suspect himself. No search warrant
would have been needed. This would not have happened in California nor Seattle
because personal use is "legal".
All this because he was growing some weed?