and the legend continues...
Frankly I'll be more surprised if Troy Hinds doesn't change his mind on his
mission than if he does.Chase Hansen, Vainuku: Previously hard core
BYU families. Now?Tell me byu fans.How many
hard players who were hard core Utes growing up are switching to the blue?Crickets, crickets.Times are changing.The future
of football in Utah, IS UTAH
I'm pretty excited about some of the returned missionaries. In particular
Bronson Kaufusi. I'm friends with his mother and she came from a family of great
athletes, many of you I'm sure remember Craig Garrick who played for BYU in the
early 80's. That is Bronson's uncle. Then of course the Kaufusi's we all know
about. That is some great heritage right there and I'm hopeful he'll live up to
his billing and potential, I'd be surprised if he doesn't.There's
some other good returned missionaries as well, I know the Hannemans also,
coached the kids in youth sports before they moved up to Lone Peak, and they are
great athletes. I don't know much about most of the hs signees other
than the younger Hanneman, just what I've read in the papers. But of course
signing day is always pretty exciting and it is always fun to see how many of
them turn out to be good players.
Again, someone please actually answer the question:How many kids who
grew up hard core Utes are switching to BYU?I love the BCS, our BCS
wins, and our BCS membership.
Someone is a little insecure about her teams commits(2 out of 3 posts). Maybe
she's afraid that some who leave on missions might decide to transfer to BYU.Someone should tell her that most real football fans don't care enough to
reply to her. BYU has some great linemen coming back from missions
on both sides of the ball. Alisa, Pritchard and Hines to go along with
Quezada are a very good bunch of RB's. Great receivers, tight ends and hopefully
a solid passing QB will seem like BYU offenses of old. With nearly all of their
D starters coming back, they should be a good team next year.
Is there such a thing as a hard core Ute fan that is under 25 and not already
going to the UofU? Most Ute fans didn't become hard core until 2002, so the
answer is probably none. However, in a few years as the current crop of
Elementary & Junior High Students that grow up hard core Ute fans, we will
have a few. Thanks for playing Chris (crickets, crickets)B.
Good job Coach M.Best recruiting class ever.
@christina bBYU didn't even offer vainuku a scholarship. But in
answer to that question, Hansen's parents will be Chase Hansen fans as long as
he is at utah but they are still Cougar fans. I would do the same if one of my
sons winds up playing a sport at the university of utah. Anyone
whose child goes to one school or the other is going to support their child or
other relative. For instance all of Kyle Whittinghams brothers support utah
purely because of Kyle. They have no personal love for the university of utah,
they are all BYU grads and they are all BYU fans other than when they play utah
in which case they support Kyle and utah. Blood is thicker than water.But don't fool yourself into thinking it doesn't go both ways. Jan Jorgenson
grew up a utah fan and he went chose BYU. According to the ute trolls like
yourself Troy Hinds was a utah guy right up until he chose BYU. You guys posted
on here constantly about him wearing utah gear and being at utah practices.Keep tyring lil band of tranfers LOL!
Chrissy,Did any child grow up a hard core Ute fan? Certainly made
sense for Hansen to go to the U. Way more opportunity to step into a starting
role there than there would have been at BYU.I think Whit is more willing
to work with kids who want to serve missions than previous Ute coaches. Also,
doesn't hurt that most of the coaching staff has a BYU background.If you
want to talk about athletes switching allegiance, how's that basketball thing
ducky, let's be real. Byu had said they would offer during his visit. He didn't
even bother visiting. Now tell me why a kid who grows up hard core byu would
not even take an official visit to his dream school? Lol!Maybe he
wants to win a bcs game? Byu's irrelevancy on the national stage in
thethe last decadenight has permanently ruined the program. People remember big
game winners(see 2 bcs games, 2 bcs wins, thus a bcs invite).
Preseason 2012 bcs contender no doubt!
Remember everyone that Ducky doesn't comment on recruits.Especially
when he "is on business in Tulsa."LOL
An article on BYU football recruiting and 8 out of the first 13 comments are
from Ute fans?Don't you guys have a basketball game to go to
Class guys and good players, a combination BYU values. They chose well and will
receive the state's quality undergrad education. It's great to have them in Blue
Re: Chris BI guarantee NO ONE cares about Utah's 2 BCS wins but the
Utes. Your own conference doesn't view you any differently than Arizona or
Or Washington State. And not even on par with Colorado.Ouch.
Chris B & 54-10 : There sure is a lot of insecurity coming from the two of
you, ute fans make it sound like belonging to a BCS conf. is absolutely the
greatest thing in the world and they could be farther from the truth. Belonging
to a BCS conf. doesn't mean squat, it doesn't make your team a better team, it
doesn't insure you'll be in a BCS bowl, it means more money but that is about
it. Half the teams in BCS conferences don't even go to bowl games. How high your
teams ends up being ranked is what is important. You guys are laughable.
Chase Hansen chose Utah because "maybe he wants to win a BCS game".
That's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time little bro. Utah had a
better chance of winning a BCS game staying in the MWC than they do in the Pac
10.2. No little bro, Utah will never sniff the BCS again.
2 bcs games and 2 wins. Don't hold your breath waiting for the next one. You
have to get past SC then Oregon, Stanford or Washington in the conference
championship. Better do it next season while the conference schedule is still
stacked in your favor. After that...? Well, don't hold your breath.
And no one cares about USC's NC's or #1 in BCS wins.
I used to enjoy reading the B.Y.U. comment boards. Now that the B.Y.U. haters
have decided to show their hatred of B.Y.U. I will stick to reading B.Y.U.
articles by Deseret News Journalists who don't hate B.Y.U.
Re: crowntown1USC and Utah should NEVER be compared to each other.
Chris,The fact about Chase Hansen is if BYU would have offered him a
scholly to play QB, he would've jumped to BYU faster than you can troll a BYU
article. I don't blame him for his desire to play the position and more power to
him if he succeeds in doing so at Utah. I fail to see, however, how this is a
case of a switching lifelong allegiances. And just as easy as it is
for you to predict that Hinds will change his committment before his mission is
over, one could say that Hansen will do the same. Especially if BYU starts to
reconsider his abilities to play QB. That may never happen, however, considering
how stacked BYU is at that position for the next 6 years.
Can we just be honest. First of all, getting into BYU is increasingly more
difficult than getting into Utah. Not even in the ball park. So, for those
average students, Utah is a good choice. Second, BYU just is not for everyone.
If you want to have long hair, party, and live a "normal" college
life, then Utah is a better fit. OK. I have now stated the obvious. Go Cougs!!
Chrissy and 54-10, You act like you finished in the top of the Pac
and beat Stanford, Oregon and signed every top future NFL recruit in the nation.
But in reality you have no QB's what so ever. Your offense ranks #110 in the
nation just above guess who?? Idaho!! You lost to a 2 win team at home. Got
blown out 3 times in conference. You need to find a new OC. haha.We
Byu fans aren't worried about our future but you sure should be, even with
can't wait to see how next year's offensive line looks after preparing for an
entire spring and summer with Nelson at QB. BYU football and
basketball get more attention and publicity. Excitment in the state is the
greatest by far when BYU is winning. The past, present and future
of college football and basketball in this state is BYU.
Troy Hinds is NOT a U fan. The Utes rolled out the red carpet (Coach Whit was at
Davis High many times) and he turned them down. The Hinds family likes BYU. If
Troy jumps from BYU after his mission, expect him to go to a more highly touted
PAC-12 school, not the U.
Cougar claws Who's comparing? Simply stating someones rant about
"No one cares about Utah's BCS bowl wins" Only Utes fans do or
whatever. Probably the dumbest comment I have ever read.So i followed up with I
guess SC fans only care about their many BCS wins and Nc's, not the world of
College Football, wait what?
@ Chrissy: "in thethe last decadenight" You are definitely a Utah
grad, or just on drugs.
Star Lotuleli(spelling ?) perfect example of what catram is saying. He could not
get the grades to make it at the Y. So he opted for the U later. No way you
could tell us that he wouldn't prefer playing at the Y. Some kids can make it
work at byu some can't for many reasons. Fact is that the majority of top local
high school recruits would choose the Y over the U any day of the week.
Re: crowntown1Ok fair enough, but how many people bring up the
University of Utah in the national media? How often does the U get talked about
on ESPN for instance? That's great that Utah won two BCS games, but what is it
doing for them now? Not a whole ton as far as I can see. At best they are
another Arizona State right now. That's all I was saying.
re: Chris B "How many kids who grew up hard core Utes are switching to
BYU?"If you're talking about basketball, the answer is 2 this
year - Cusick and Sharp. Maybe Loveridge next year.If you're
talking about football, Uale comes to mind. But USC (Kaveinga, Fangupo) seems
to be a better farm team for us right now.
Some pretty impressive names coming back from missions. The future is bright in
Provo. Looks like a lot of 10+ win seasons ahead.
"That's great that Utah won two BCS games, but what is it doing for them
now? Not a whole ton as far as I can see."You're not looking
very far or thinking with your brain if you can't see what it has gotten them.
They have received an invitation to the PAC-12, will be getting A LOT MORE
money, they are getting better recruits, they will be nationally televised next
year for EVERY game. And I could list many other things. They would not have
gotten any of the above without the BCS wins.Speaking of recruiting,
did anyone see BYU's heralded QB recruit in the UA game last night? I tuned in
long enough to see him throw a pick-six and fumble the ball. Reminds me of a
certain someone that was also a "great" recruit that is now on his was
to playing for a 2-10 KS team.
DevilishUteWas Hansen playing in the UA game? Thanks for keeping ur
eyes on big brothers recruits. But your "expert" analysis of his
skills is not required. Just go back to analyzing that heralded QB tandom of
Wynnie and Hays, how is that working out for ya?
It makes me laugh that Ute fans keep bringing up their BCS wins, who cares?
Those same folks keep trashing BYU's NC, who cares? I agree BYU will never get
the top prospects in the country, not even close but, neither will Utah, not
even close. Will they get faster, better athletes, I think so because BYU's
standards will be too much for most Ute recruits to handle which gives them a
bigger pool to recruiting. Is there any indication that they are getting better
recruits because they are now in a BCS conference? Prove it. Overall though I
think that the state of Utah is getting better in football. Only time will tell
as to the affects all these changes will have, I mean Utah and BYU are only one
year into their new surroundings. Let's see where they are in 3 more years, that
will be a better time to compare with the recruits they are getting now.
barf-r-us,Don't flatter yourself and think that I was watching the
game for Mangum. I was watching because I enjoy football, at any level. That
being said, I couldn't help but CHUCKLE when I saw Mangum throw the pick-six and
then fumble in another set of downs.Wynn has beaten BYU twice in a
row, now. Digest that.
Chris B, hows that inferiority complex thing workin for ya?
devilishyute:Mangum practiced all week with the white team. Due to
injuries, he was asked to switch to the other team, during the game. He was,
therefore, playing with a team he had never practiced with. I know you would
have done much better in similar circumstances, right?
Hey Devilsish Ute. So you tuned in the UA game late in the second half. One
thing you obviously did not realize was that Mangum practiced all week with the
White team. The Black team lost 2 QBs, one before the game and 1 during the
game. He switched teams in the middle of the second half, put on a generic #20
jersey and went out and played for a team that had '0' pass protection. A team
that he had '0' practice time with and still made some great throws. It was
refreshing to see the unselfishness.
corporal losser"...BCS conf. doesn't mean squat...".$30,000,000/yr. is not as much "squat" as the y espn contract,
but it will do in a pinch.LOL.farmstuff"...if BYU would have offered him a scholly to play QB, he would've
jumped to BYU...".IF...LOL.jacka"...Wynnie and Hays, how is that working out for ya?...".Jordan 2. the y 0.How's that workin out for ya?LOL.
And Mangum got a special MVP Award to boot. BTW, I didn't see any Yute commits
playing. How could I have missed them...oh, there weren't any.
DevilishUte,"I couldn't help but CHUCKLE when I saw Mangum
throw the pick-six and then fumble in another set of downs."And
yet he was still named MVP of the game (along with Jameis Winston), this after
switching to the black team at halftime because of a rash of injuries to their
QB's. I'm glad it gave you a chuckle, whatever makes you happy, but I'm pretty
sure not many BYU fans are worried about the kid after last night's performance.
In fact, confidence in his abilities is probably even higher.I
looked up and down the rosters for both teams and was sure I'd find a kid
committed to Utah on the list. Imagine my surpise when I didn't! At least Utah
was insulated from any smack talk from their rival if one of their commits did
play in the game and made a mistake or two while still winning MVP. The horror!
Hey I have a question that I would prefer one of the BYU knowledgeable fans like
Duckhunter or Portland Trail Blazers to answer.I was on the WAC
athletic website and it claims La Tech is the WAC champion! How could this be?
they lost one game and we went undefeated in conference! How could they do this
to us? I am starting to feel sympathy for the 04, 08 Utes!
Sunny All Day,Yeah, "If". What's your point? Oh yeah, you
don't have one. BYU offered Hansen to play TE because there's already a lot of
talent at QB for the next six years. He wanted to play QB so he chose Utah. He's
fine with that. BYU's fine with that. If they wanted him at QB they would've
offered him and no doubt he would've taken it. Case closed. Prove me wrong.
WACougar,Ha ha ha!! That is hilarious!! Did you come up with that
all by yourself or did your mommy help you? Wow, good thing BYU played all those
WAC teams this year and not Colorado! I hear they are super tough!!
ChrissySeems you live in a hate vacuum. Life is way to short and
sport fanaticism is extremely boring.
Giantfan, I just want to know why la tech is the WAC champs, no need to be
rude:( Also I clearly stated I want Duckhunter or Portland Trailblazers to
asnwer...They are so smart!
WACougar,I just wanted to let you know how funny your comment was. I
apologize, It would be my pleasure to never respond to or aknowledge you again.
(After this post, of course).
Maybe Devilishute was watching the UA game becasue he couldn't seem to find the
ute basketball game last night.
To you Utesies bragging about your 2 BCS wins years ago... you lost to a 2-10
team in your first year in 'big boy' football.No one cares but
Colorado Buff fans.
WACougar...I also noticed that Hawaii hammered Colorado, how did the Utes do
against the mighty Buffs again? I am sure Duckhunter can answer that one if you
I love WACougars ripping the WAC. That is the only conference that had less bowl
wins than the PAC 12. Well, I guess the Sun Belt only got 1. Glad that fluke TD
for the Utes kept them above the Sun Belt as well
I heard that Tui Crichton extended his mission and may not be home in time for
spring ball. It's interesting how much has happened since Tui left. At his mission farewell dinner, a relatively unknown Brandon Davies was busing
tables, while a recently arrived Jake Heaps was sitting quietly at a small table
by himself. While Tui was serving in obscurity, Brandon, his best
friend, and Jake, both spent significant time in the national spotlight.
To Chris B's question about hard-core Ute families switching loyalties, several
thoughts:First, BAS's comment is spot-on; Utah's tradition in
football is about as old as Justin Bieber.Second, the children of BYU
stars that have gone to the U no doubt had solid reasons for
going---opportunities for immediate playing time (aka less competition at their
positions), a great coaching staff (at present), and fewer lifestyle
restrictions. Nothing wrong with those reasons, but it doesn't signal a seismic
shift from one university to the other.Third, and this may hurt, could it
be that the children of these hard-core BYU families are more open-minded and
likely to be supported (rather than disowned) by their families with their
personal choice on where to attend college? I'm sure you would never
disown a child for attending BYU, but there are people out there like that...:)
@CougFaninTX 1:25 You said, "Some pretty impressive names
coming back from missions. The future is bright in Provo. Looks like a lot of
10+ win seasons ahead."I sure hope your right, because starting
next season, the Cougars schedule will be getting tougher. Fewer cupcake games
against schools like Idaho and more quality games against teams like Boise
State, Georgia Tech, Notre Dame and Texas. If the Cougars can
maintain 9 to 10 win seasons each year against opponents like that, the future
will definitely be bright in Provo.That's one more reason I hope the
BYU/Utah and BYU/Utah State games stick around, because I do consider Utah a
high quality opponent and Utah State is clearly on the up.
BCS? It'll be at least ten years if ever for the utes. Cougs will play BCS
before the utes.
factcheckWACougar...I also noticed that Hawaii hammered Colorado,
how did the Utes do against the mighty Buffs again? I am sure Duckhunter can
answer that one if you need help======Who said I was a Utah
fan? the mighty buffs beating Utah has nothing to do with me. But, if you
must bring it up Utah vs BYU was the biggest blow out in the PAC vs WAC this
year. Also, what is your definition of a fluke touchdown? My definition is the
one Riley threw against USU, not a great throw and an even better catch by Hays
and Christopher. I don't need Ducky to answer these questions anymore, I found
another one of those highly intelligent Y fans...factcheck!! yay
@Serenity Now 6:47I believe your comment cuts both ways. There are
families who are indeed die hard Ute fans, as well as families who are die hard
BYU fans who would equally be critical or angry if a son or daughter switched
sides. I once knew a local high school coach (won't say what high
school) who once told his players something to the effect of, "My greatest
success will be if none of you end up at BYU, and if any of you play for BYU I
promise to always root against you."On the flip side, I once
home taught in family in my ward who were huge BYU fans and one day when I
showed up in a shirt that had the U of U feather and drum on it, they asked me
to leave and not come back until I had changed shirts.
Ute fans are insecure.
I think the most impressive thing is the balancing act Mendenhall and his staff
do with the comings and goings of RM's. The list of names is impressive because
Brandon Gurney does such a great job of following the recruiting process and
keeps us fans knowledgeable about the players.I know the Utes have a beat
reporter, Dirk Facer, but quite honestly I am not interested in the Utes which
is why I read and comment on BYU articles, not Utah. The Utah fans can follow
their beloved Utes over there. Chase Hansen did what he felt best for him,
commit to Norm Chow and Utah.Now that Chow is at Hawaii and Riley Nelson's
two-tool skill-set are developing into 10-win ESPN driven seasons, perhaps both
Hansen and the BYU coaching staff will re-visit each other. Nothing wrong
with that.The SL media/talk show machine will have a field day with that,
but I could care less.
two hawks@ nice
@ Cougar Claws"USC and Utah should NEVER be compared to each
other".Notre Dame and BYU should NEVER be compared to each
Great to see Kaufusi coming back. I remember watching him on TV during High
School playoffs and he was truly a man among boys. He blew past the offensive
line numerous times. I look forward to watching him.And just for
the record I don't read Utah Football articles nor comment on them - although I
had a family member start for the Utes in the early 70's once they left I didn't
care to watch or pay attention to them anymore. Kind of seems like a waste of
time to me.
@catram"If you want to have long hair, party, and live a
"normal" college life, then Utah is a better fit."Thanks. Now my son wants to go to Utah!
There you go, the #1 Cougar fan chiming in first (Chris B.). He must really love
BYU because he is always the first to read their articles.
re: Captain L | 11:45 p.m. Jan. 5, 2012 "Chris B & 54-10 :
There sure is a lot of insecurity coming from the two of you"What then would you call another rah rah, pander to the base type, article
about byu in the dn?hint: we can eliminate the words.... objective
per Cougar Claws | 11:04 a.m. Jan. 6, 2012 "USC and Utah should
NEVER be compared to each other."The U is 1-1 vs USC in recent
@Wally West What then would you call another rah rah, pander to the
base type, article about byu in the dn?----------The
object of your obsession?Not that you are alone in that...
DevilishUte | 1:30 p.m. Jan. 6, 2012 Tempe, AZ"That's great
that Utah won two BCS games, but what is it doing for them now? Not a whole ton
as far as I can see."You're not looking very far or thinking
with your brain if you can't see what it has gotten them. They have received an
invitation to the PAC-12, will be getting A LOT MORE money, they are getting
better recruits, they will be nationally televised next year for EVERY game. And
I could list many other things. They would not have gotten any of the above
without the BCS wins.--------------The Utes are in and I
expect them to do well (Not USC, Oregon, Stanford well, but well), But most
people in Utah and EVERYONE outside the state knows Boise has a better football
program than Utah, but the PAC didn't invite them. Why? TV sets. Why not BYU?
Proposition 8. Heads would've exploded across California if BYU would've been
invited to the PAC. But all that is irrelevant. The Utes are in, and it is
about the future, not the past.
Captain L said:"Chris B & 54-10 : There sure is a lot of
insecurity coming from the two of you, ute fans make it sound like belonging to
a BCS conf. is absolutely the greatest thing in the world and they could be
farther from the truth. Belonging to a BCS conf. doesn't mean squat, it doesn't
make your team a better team, it doesn't insure you'll be in a BCS bowl, it
means more money but that is about it. Half the teams in BCS conferences don't
even go to bowl games. How high your teams ends up being ranked is what is
important. You guys are laughable."Utah has something to play
for. Its laughable that BYU homers keep talking about Utah in a BCS conference.
You gave up opportunities to join one. Move along. BYU is not a player on the
national scene. Your ESPN contract created low ratings. Have fun on the outside