North Summit05 : Your reasoning leaves much to be desired. Infact it is
rediculous. So they know he suffers from PTSD. They know he is not doing
anything violent. They know where he is and where he will be tomorrow. And when
he goes to get his grocerys or out to get his mail. So what is the need of a
dynamic entry. You do not know that he knew who was at the door. You do not know
that he was lying in wait to ambush.You are condoneing a really stupidand
dangerous tactic by our Police state mentality.I regret these men were injured
and the one killed, but the ignorance of that policy is so obvious anyone with
half a brain would not use that method on a non violent offense,Next thing
they will be gunning down children for not returning their books to the library.
Re: Midvaliean | 1:54 p.m. Jan. 5, 2012 The United States is a
republic and therefore our laws are made by legislators elected by the voice of
the majority. If you want to liberalize the laws on drugs you are quite free to
vote for legislators of a like mind. In the meantime you are expected to obey
the laws of our land. Those that refuse are locked away decent society in our
jails and prisons. Works for me.
There is alot more info on ksl the suspect was a Gulf War Vet who suffers from
PTSD and that is why they went in with the SWAT team and that many Officers
someone with Military training requires special attention they were just serving
a warrant the suspect over reacted with an AK 47 and I am sure the Officers had
no idea he was laying in wait to ambush them it was a warrant on suspicion of
selling or having marijuana and from the way this went they were right to bring
all that fire and man power its just a very sad day for all of Utah My heart
goes out to all those involved and my prayers to the families of the fallen
Officer and those wounded proud of you all for fighting for your life keep
Re: one old man | 7:47 a.m. Jan. 5, 2012" "Where is the
"Well Regulated Militia" required by the Second Amendment?"The US Supreme Court answered you question is two (2) recent decisions.
They looked at where the commas were placed in the 2nd Amendment and ruled it
applies to individual US citizens and not the state. Really bummed the
anti-firearm liberals out. Those who don't like the 2nd Amendment have two
choices: They can either learn to live with it or they can get that amendment
repealed. Good luck with that.
@ One Old Man: Don't be obtuse. You have to undergo a background check to
purchase a firearm. Legal firearm owners are not, generally speaking,
responsible for actions like these. But if making comments like those make you
feel better, why, when we meet in Ogden and someone is robbing you or breaking
into your home and endangering your family, I will leave my pistol holstered
just to make sure that no firearms get in the way.To the LEOs of Ogden
City, the citizens you serve grieve with you, and those of us who are decent,
law abiding folk will continue to support you in your duty. Thank you for your
service and sacrifice.
When you break the law by selling drugs you can be subjected to search warrents
being severed on you, and what ever may happen during the servering of the
warrant. The suspected drug dealer caused the volients to happen and is at
faulty for breaking the law. Iam sorry to hear that 6 officers were hurt while
carring out their duty. The suspected drug drealer is at faulty and he didn't
have to react with volience when served the warrant he chose to react in that
manner. The war on drugs isn't stupid or a lost cause. The people who chose to
sell drugs are the promable, not the officers doing their job.
Re: Midvaliean | 1:54 p.m. Jan. 5, 2012 "People destroy their own
lives and sometimes use drugs as an avenue to do so."A recent
study indicates that people on drugs are prone to repeat themselves or post the
same comment twice.If people want to destroy their own lives that's
OK with me. What isn't OK is when drug addicts steal from hard working people
so they can pay for their habit.
@RiflemanIt is the exact time to say how stupid this war is. More deaths.
Don't blame the criminal actions committed by the lady locked up in Nevada on
Drugs, drugs don't make people do things. People make choices to do things.
People make bad choices. People destroy their own lives and sometimes use
drugs as an avenue to do so.
Re: Midvaliean | 6:55 a.m. Jan. 5, 2012 "Drugs didn't cause this
violence. Prohibition did."Drugs destroy lives as evidenced by
the young woman sitting in a Nevada jail on kidnapping charges. One of the
police officers paid with his life to help rid decent society of this den of
thieves. This is the wrong time and this is the wrong story to use as a
platform to denigrate the men decent society respect and support.
I have to wonder at someone who hears gunshots and goes outside to see.
*scratches head* ya.Prayers of comfort go out to the officer's
family and friends.
@sfcretdennisWith 6 people shot it went violently. When you enter
someones house by breaking the door down, which is what happened, that is
Midvaliean | 6:55 a.m. Jan. 5, 2012 MIDVALE, UT you sound like a cop hatter,
nowhere did it say they went in violently. The person of interest is criminal
drugs or no drugs. We have laws that must be enforced or we well end up a
divided country and well be ruled by war lords. Is this what you want? Until
laws are change they must be enforced, if you don't like a law form a group of
people to change the law through peaceful means. We cannot and should not
ignore the law because we don't like it.
According to the news all of the officers were wearing vests. Tells me he has
some type of assault rifle and bullets capable of piercing vests. I am not
anti-gun. Just wonder where we draw the line on what type of weapons people can
lawfully own. Tragic.
Press conference at 9:00 am mst time KSL radio
Meanwhile, in Utah ANYONE with the money can go to a gun show and purchase any
kind of firearms imaginable without submitting to any kind of background
check.Where is the "Well Regulated Militia" required by
the Second Amendment?
They never said who they were serving never released the name as of yet?Officers are in hospital,so is the other one who was hiding away.One young officer in the police force has died Left behing a wife and
Children'Ogden is north of bountiful utah.A normal neighborhood that has
problems the Binge is very violent in the eyes if a New year,aaaahhhhh
@Midvaleian,Riiiight. The LAW is what caused this.... *rolls
I'm not reading anything about WHO this person is that they were serving a
warrant on. I wonder why? Anyone else hear or read anything?
@JJJHSThose drugs didn't hurt anyone. The police came in violently and
received violence. Drugs didn't cause this violence. Prohibition did.
On WTIC 1080 radio news here in CT, they are saying that one of the six police
officers has died. Condolences to his/her family and prayers for the rest of
the injured officers. What is happening in Ogden UT? I often read of problems
in that Utah city.
@JohnJacob...The drugs themselves didn't cause any of this harm. The
people involved in the incident did the harm. The article doesn't say what the
guy was selling exactly so it's hard to say how dangerous the drugs could
potentially be, but I do feel that many drug laws are overly harsh. If those
laws were changed, many of these situations could be avoided.It is
truly a tragedy that so many people were injured in this incident. It is
surprising that 6 officers were injured with only a single suspect. I guess they
weren't ready for a violent response. Also, it seems rather unwise
for someone to go running outside to see a gunfight. They also ran back outside
a second time after being told to go back inside once already. With people like
that, it's surprising that no one else was injured in this.The
silver lining in this is that no one was killed.
Ogden in mourningIn care for the recovery of those who were all sent to
the hospitalCondolences to the family of - Officer who passed away.
tragic event indeed.tactical strategy might have been too wait for
the perps to exit the house, stop the vehicle, detain and then do a search of
the premises.agreed, lawmakers who restrict guns for healthy,
rational and sane people simply cannot account for the criminals who WILL steal,
share and make their own weapons. after all, they don't follow the laws
anyhow!illicit drugs and their manufacture/use are like a gaping
wound in our society, it is bleeding us to death. no band aid will remedy it,
we need a cauterizing iron to seal it shut. let the perps be scarred for life,
rather than society.
The world is getting more crazy with each passing day. Hope the injured recover
fully. Thanks for your service in protecting us.
Stricter gun laws isn't going to stop these events. The greed involved alone
plus the use really warps the human mind. The risk for injury/death is even
greater when this stuff goes on in a crowded neighborhood.If the gov't does
anything worthwhile about this is go into the internet and remove all the
recipes for meth and other drugs and when somebody looks for it, it would
trigger an alert to the police to do some surveillance and possible action.
And those who use drugs tell you drugs never hurt anyone. Now society has to
pay to incarcerate this guy as well as all the mediacal bills.