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Liljenquist to Hatch: 36 years enough, time to come home

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  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 8:42 a.m.

    When is the time right to replace Hatch? 6 more years, 12, 18 or never?. The time has come. For the second time in 2 years (and in my life) I will go to the Caucus and vote against an incumbent (as did ALL 10 delegate candidates). It worked last time and hope it will again this time. Hopefully all states will do the same so we have no more Kennedy dynasties or a West Virginian who can hardly hold himself up to make a speech. The Congress has arrogantly put in place an out-of-this world retirement package for themselves. Time for him to use it.

  • Furry1993 Clearfield, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 8:42 a.m.

    I don't want Hatch to stay in office. That being said, I REALLY don't want anyone worse than Hatch taking his place in office. If Liljenquist is supported by the Tea Party, then he is worse than Hatch. It looks like we're in another "none of the above" situtation. Sad.

  • Conservative Voice RIVERTON, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 8:25 a.m.

    Finally, a Solid Conservative Voice to replace Hatch after a long 36-years. The over-spending in DC has to come to an end!

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 7:52 a.m.

    Yes. Let's replace Hatch -- but with Pete Ashdown.

    (Please consider the name Pete Ashdown as being in Upper Case letters which are forbidden by DN's censors.)

    Remember, the name is Pete Ashdown.

    That's P-e-t-e A-s-h-d-o-w-n.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 7:38 a.m.

    It seems to me that Hatch has had ample opportunity to get the financial affairs of the nation in order. Now he is using the same argument that Gunn McKay used in 1980. The seniority would be beneficial to Utah. But in 1980, Utah brought McKay home any way, unfortunately. I've concluded that Hatch should be brought home, too. I personally like Hatch, but it is time.

  • mtmanmc Colorado Springs, CO
    Jan. 5, 2012 2:23 a.m.

    What Utah Republicans do for or against Senator Orrin Hatch. Affect me as a Republican, who now lives in Colorado. Senator Hatch has done a very good job for the American People. Since moving from Utah living in Montana and Colorado. I've followed Senator Hatch and find his work in the Senate very important to the America People. The Tea Party, I don't see them as a National Party. They need to learn that as part of the Republican Party. That compromise has been a part of our government since the founding of this nation. Take the seniority away from the Republican Party can damage the party without the statesmen who have the seniority. What have the new Senators, who Tea Party supported done during the past 3 years? One of the Believes in Utah is Knowledge equals Intelligence. Show me a man in his 30's who has more Knowledge than a man in his 70's.

  • mtmanmc Colorado Springs, CO
    Jan. 5, 2012 12:31 a.m.

    I'm going to make a statement that draws attention to a couple of former Senators. One a Democrat and the other a Republican both from small states Montana and North Dakota. I held great respect for both of these men. Both serve there states and our nation very well. One was Senate Majority Leader and the other was Senate Minority Leader.
    We have for very long time have been living with mostly one party in power in Washington since 1900.
    Here is what I'm leading up to Senator Orrin Hatch knows what compromise means not only for Utah but the whole United States of America.
    Look at the damage done the past 3 years in Washington. We need more of this unwillingness to compromise.
    Washington isn't only Utah there are 49 other states, which have there views. Washington is a place where seniority counts. Until that changes in Washington strength comes from seniority.
    I met Senator Hatch at one of his sons wedding reception and in airports in many parts of this country. He remembered me each time.
    Compromise is an art form, that takes time to learn. Knowledge is power in Washington.

  • On the other hand Spanish Fork, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 9:37 p.m.

    Oh boy. Another upstart Tea Partisan wants to "represent" Utah.

  • DonM Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 8:58 p.m.

    If Orrin Hatch was a true conservative he would not have supported legislation that increased spending without finding a way to pay for it. Medicare Part D was never funded by cutting spending elsewhere or by raising taxes, as a result it has added trillions to the Medicare unfunded liabilities.

    Democrats who tax and spend are bad enough, but Republicans who borrow and spend, sticking the next generation with the bill and nothing to show for it are worse. Hatch's record is "Don't tax you, don't tax me, tax that baby on your knee."

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 8:01 p.m.

    I actually believe Hatch will represent the interests of Utah better than Liljenquist. I also think he's much more of a conservative now after seeing what happened to "Bailout Bob" who didn't listen to his constituents.

    We should have replaced Hatch about 3 terms ago. Its too late now. We need his seniority.

    I'm also not impressed with Liljenquist. The public employees' retirement system WASN'T a problem. We don't have ridiculous compensation for public employees like Kalifornia or other states. Public employees don't get "bonuses", perks, etc.
    I think Liljenquist made a name for himself with the public retirement issue that REALLY wasn't an issue. One issue, does not a U.S. Senator make.
    Unless Liljenquist had a great amount of "handlers" in D.C. he would be completely and totally out of his league!

  • homers Provo, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 6:04 p.m.

    37 years old and 3 years in the Utah state legislature. Not ready for prime time.

  • homers Provo, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 6:03 p.m.

    I find it interesting that Liljenquist trumpets his success on pension and medicaid reform without mentioning that the Utah State Senate is 78% conservative Republican and that it has no filibuster rule. The idea that he can go to the US Senate with, in all probability, 53 or 54% Republican - and not all of them conservative, and replicate his Utah legislation on pension and medicaid reform is laughable. And just an FYI - nobody in the state legislature or the US Senate writes their legisation - it is done by legislative counsel in the US Senate and legislative research and counsel in the state legislature. Liljenquist didn't write his bills. If we had 78% Republicans in the US House and Senate we would have a balanced budget amendment already in the bag - 15 years ago. If Liljenquist is elected he will have to get in line for 10 years before he will get a sniff of the power he would need to do what he says he wants to do.

  • okdude OREM, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 5:54 p.m.

    It's great we have an option to vote for someone who has actually done something, not just "promised" to do something. Promises are what campaigns are built upon, and are soon forgotten. My vote goes to someone who has done something in this case. It's not fun to change the system for the better (especially with entitlement reform), but Dan has done it, so he has my vote.

  • Robb C Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 5:38 p.m.

    Knowing of Liljenquist's success in the Utah Legislature I was hoping he'd run. However if he insists on catering to the Tea Party and follows the ultra-conservative route of Mike Lee then even though I'm opposed to another Hatch term I believe I'll have to support Hatch. We need statesmen who are willing to find middle ground. Not ideologues.

  • Lifelong Republican Orem, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 5:36 p.m.

    Whatever it takes to get lilenquist out of Utah.

    He singlehandedly destroyed teaching as a profession.

    It is now an hourly job.

  • mcjolley Pleasant grove, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 5:31 p.m.

    Yes! Dan Liljenquist is the man who can dethrone Senator Hatch. We need people like Dan to stop the madness in Washington!

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 5:24 p.m.

    Let's remember what Orin Hatch said when he first ran against Frank Moss for the Senate. He said Frank Moss has served two long in the Senate and we need new ideas, new blood. Moss served from 1959 - 1977. 18 Years. Now compare Hatch who has served twice as long. Why was it bad for Moss to serve 18 years and should be voted out, but it is okay for Hatch to serve 37 years, twice as long and he should be voted in again. What hypocrisy.

    I say we vote out every single one of them and start over again. Congress is corrupt, dysfunctional and out of touch with the electorate. We need new blook and we need it now, not peace meal by making a few changes each voting cycle.

  • sg newhall, CA
    Jan. 4, 2012 5:16 p.m.

    Hatch has become Frank Moss. Too old and too long in office. He has made it a career. Anyone wonder just how much money he's made from insider trading? He wasn't a millionaire when he went in, but I bet he is now. Again, we don't need another 6 years of Hatch and his cronies that he's had latched onto his back all these years. It is shameful that he continues to associate himself with unscrupulous goons. I can name a couple, but why bother. The fact that seniority has played into the inner fabric of Congressional politics is rather sad. It forces us, the constituents, to repeatedly re-elect these guys just to maintain the power they so hungrily desire. What should exist is the fact that if the laws Congress are considering are good, then the laws are passed. If not, then no. But to use the power play and compromise between senior senators 'deals'? no. That's not why we elected these guys. Hatch's time is over. His current Congressional record is dismal. He cares more about his retirement and legacy then what's right for the state and the country.

  • Allen#2 WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 4:55 p.m.

    "Three terms are too long" was Orrin's theme in 1976.

    When will the hypocrite decide 6 terms are too long?

  • OneAmerican Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 4, 2012 4:52 p.m.

    I used to appreciate Hatch and even thanked him personally when I ran into him in the Roof Restaurant. However, he has comprised too much. I will NEVER forget his answer to 2 questions as reported here 2 years ago. First Question: "Why shouldn't elected officials be required to live by the same laws they pass for the rest of us to live under?" Answer "That might cause more problems than it would solve." My thought: Why, because fewer people would be wanting to "serve" in Washington without special treatment? I can think of no other reason that would cause a "problem." Second Question: "Where do you stand on appealing Obamacare?" Answer "That is easier said than done." and he showed no ambition to fight for that in the remainder of his comments. My thought "If our founding fathers would have made decisions based on "easier said than done," we would still be under British rule. Senator Hatch has lost his will to fight for true conservatism and has crawled into bed with the likes of Ted Kennedy, giving us CHIPs as well as other liberal legislation. Time for Senator Hatch to come home.

  • The Hammer lehi, utah
    Jan. 4, 2012 4:43 p.m.

    @clang

    Dream act was to include Everify requirements which are the best way to stop illegal immigration the dream act wasn't perfect but how do you ship 18 year old kids back to a country they have never lived in? Do we put them in internment camps on the border?

    Medicare part D is a long term goal to move medicare to a a private health insurance system. Part D is the model Paul Ryan is using to change how part A and part B are done.

    Even Reagan asked for and demanded debt limit increases.

    Read my previous comments about TARP, We would have paid out Trillions, not billions if we did not act to get liquidity to the banks, the only alternative was to repeal FDIC rules. Is that what you suggest should have been done?

    Schip is an iffy one I know, Hatch is not the end all be all of my day, but he is better than olympia snowe as chairmen of the finance committee. Without Hatch, fiscal conservative ideas wouldn't stand a chance in the upcoming years.

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 4:34 p.m.

    If you like the songs he writes while he's in DC, then vote for him again. I'd prefer someone who can write good legislation. If this new guy will commit to no more than two terms in the senate, I'll vote for him. The way some of you are arguing to keep Orrin because of his seniority, you'd think he should serve until he dies! I'd rather have someone new and energetic, even if he can't write songs.

    And how did Orrin get $4M in his war chest? Serving in the senate? Or campaigning and hitting up special interest sponsors?

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 4:24 p.m.

    @The Hammer: What has Hatch done in his many years to help the people of the United States? He is part of the crippled crooked system that led us to the brink of economic collapse. Career politicians aren't solving the problem, they are part of it.

  • clang ROY, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 4:19 p.m.

    What part of the Dream Act, Medicare Part D, 16 debt ceiling increases, TARP, and SCHIP is conservative? He knows how to get things done...well with getting things like this done, I wish he would be impotent.

  • Rosco SANDY, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 4:17 p.m.

    Hatch has been reelected several times because we value his seniority perks--chairman of important committees. Hatch, however, is well past his prime, experience notwithstanding, he will eventually have to be replaced.

    I like the idea of the fresh enthusiasm a new candidate brings to the table. He is not yet corrupted by the special interests in Washington and his voice is clear and genuine.

    Professional politicians have lost their credibility with me. They pander to party extremes, blaming others and positioning themselves for the next election. They are beholden to special interests and thus seemingly unable to promote legislation that is in the long term best interests of our Nation.

    I remember when Hatch defeated Frank Moss and the value of his seniority was erased. I will not be voting for Hatch.

  • MalachiP NORTH SALT LAKE, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 3:59 p.m.

    Do we seriously want to give Hatch 42 years in DC? Is the goal to have Utah's version of Strom Thurmon dying on the Senate floor. He is a nice guy, but his votes are getting horrible. TARP, Patriot Act, NDAA, 16 debt ceiling increases, S-CHIP, sponsor of the Dream Act, how much can we take?

  • The Hammer lehi, utah
    Jan. 4, 2012 3:37 p.m.

    @the Kaiser What would you do in the place of TARP? Without TARP we would have had to payout TRILLIONS not billions in taxpayer money to customers of WAMU and Wachovia. TARP was the only way to ensure banks met the ridiculous FDIC rules. The only alternative would have been to get rid of FDIC, Is that what you are for?

    @aceroinox His record includes some votes that are less than stellar. Overall he is far more conservative than you give him credit for and it is sad that you can't see losing him would be a disaster for the conservative cause. He has been a great chairmen who is a thousand times better than liberal Olympia snowe, who would get that seat. you are too smart by half in getting rid of hatch.

  • MalachiP NORTH SALT LAKE, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 3:31 p.m.

    The problem is Orrin's seniority. He no longer supports Conservative views, we don't need his position in the committee. He's doing more harm than good. Hatchrecord.com shows his liberal voting record.
    He's supported all sorts of bogus expenditures. From the Senate.gov site itself quote "Orrin Hatch is fighting to strengthen Medicare, and Medicaid." This man needs to be replaced. He's just like every other Politician now- he wants to control our Economy, and he's a neocon. He voted for the NDAA which obliterates our rights.

  • aceroinox Farmington, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 3:28 p.m.

    @The Hammer--Your logic would have us re-elect Senator Hatch just because he's going to be Finance Committee chairman, in spite of his voting record? I'm sorry, but if every state in the country followed that approach, we'd have samo-samo government...isn't that what got us to the brink of financial ruin? Senator Hatch's record shows he can't be relied on to hold the ground on key financial matters, his recent election-year antics to curry the favor of the tea party notwithstanding.

    What's more, his record as a chairman of a key committee is less than stellar. If you'll recall, he was able to get a RECORD number of President Clinton's judicial nominees approved as chairman of the Judiciary Committee. One would naturally expect he'd be able to leverage those remarkable, cross-aisle favors by getting an equal number of President Bush's nominees approved in return. Did that happen? Not anywhere close: President Bush's nominees underwent one of the most shameful and embarrassing debacles in the history of the committee's ratification process. Senator Hatch was a model of decorum, but refused to take the gloves off and call in his chits. In addition, he failed to hold accountable the committee Democrats for an illegal breach of committee security when their staffers hacked into Republican members' secured documents. Shame on us if we rely on him again to be an effective committee chairman!

    And shame on us if we re-elect him to the Senate based on this tired and worn-out excuse for keeping an aging incumbent.

  • The_Kaiser Holladay, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 3:27 p.m.

    Vote Hatch out. He voted for the NDAA, which gave the executive branch the power to arrest and detain any US Citizen without right of trial. That act alone should make him guilty of High Treason, for he walked on a Constitutional law that goes all the way back to the Magna Carta.

    Hatch has betrayed our country with voting for TARP. We can't keep giving our politicans 'freebies' when it comes to their follies. We ask them to be vigilant, and if they aren't, we vote them out.

    Vote Hatch out.

  • The Hammer lehi, utah
    Jan. 4, 2012 2:44 p.m.

    @MatthewBehun

    How are you going to get Legislation through committee without supporter like Hatch in the committee chair? The committee chair has the power to table bills permanently. And guess who his replacement would be if Hatch is pushed out? Olympia Snowe! She voted for Obamacare to get out of the finance committee where it was stalled by Hatch and other Republicans. She voted for Obamas Omnibus bill which blew the nations budget out of the water. She is also not going to support any changes to Medicare, Social security or Medicaid when she is due for reelection in 2 years. You are dreaming if you don't think that seniority on that committee means anything. That's why Chaffetz backed out of running against him.

    Hatch has always supported and written legislation that supports the same goals that conservatives support, which is less government more freedom.

  • MissTeaching Layton, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 2:10 p.m.

    So right The Hammer. If Mr. Liljenquist gets into office he will have no real power in Washington. I'm not saying that Senator Hatch should not eventually be replaced, but to do it now would be the height of foolishness. Unfortunately, we cannot replace the senority rules of Congress. I've tried to think of way, such as drawing a name out of a cup, but to no avail. We need to work within the system until we can find a better solution. Also, Liljenquist is extremely conservative. I am also conservative, but not as much as he is. I would be afraid he would be unwilling to compromise as the Founding Fathers wanted us to do. Sorry, but my vote is for Senator Hatch. I also think he is a good guy.

  • MatthewBehun PROVO, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 1:54 p.m.

    @Hammer What you're saying is Orrin's strength is exactly the problem. We don't need another 6-12 years of Orrin Hatch to be the senior and pull political strings for us anymore. Frankly it just hasn't worked. We need more guys like Paul Ryan who can actually WRITE good legislation. Liljenquist is this type of legislator. How do we know? Because he's already done it here in Utah, saving us billions in only three years work as a freshman senator. We don't need Orrin's seniority and his vote. We need Dan and his visionary legislation.

  • David King Layton, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 1:48 p.m.

    The idea that we need to give Hatch a 7th term in the Senate because he will have a powerful committee assignment is sickening and exposes the fact that the system has been corrupted by bureaucrats and the lobbyists.

    I don't know enough about Mr. Liljenquist to say I will vote for him, but I do know that 36 years is long enough to be in Washington, and that there are certainly dozens of individuals capable of the job.

    Unfortunately, Orrin has the money so I will just have to keep praying the LDS church calls him on a mission. I see no other he would voluntarily give up the power that has so obviously gone to his head.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 1:30 p.m.

    @ The Hammer | 1:12 p.m. Jan. 4, 2012
    Lehi, Utah

    Well said. Losing Hatch, with a Republican win of the Senate, turns the leadership of a very important committee to Senator Collins who is perhaps the most liberal Republican Senator ever elected to office.

    People need to wake up to the reality that in US politics, seniority is critical. We already have junior Senator Lee trying to find his way.

  • The Hammer lehi, utah
    Jan. 4, 2012 1:12 p.m.

    Hatch has served faithfully for years. He has a good record and is far more conservative than most of the senators back in Washington. Replacing him would be a huge mistake. He will be the committee chair to the senate finance committee and he has already promised to work with Paul Ryan on implementing his entitlement reform. Hatch will also have the power to push through the balanced budget amendment something he has wanted to do for years. He came within 2 votes last time and now he will have the votes necessary to push it through. If we replace Hatch conservative ideas will be set back several years because the person who will take Hatches place on the Senate finance committee will be a liberal republican who is up for reelection in 2014. She will most definitively NOT vote for government financial reform the way Hatch has and will (she voted for the omnibus, voted to allow obamacare out of committee in the senate, is outspoken against Paul Ryan's plan).

    We need Hatch back in office!

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 12:26 p.m.

    As a Democrat....if the Republicans put these other individuals in there besides Hatch....they can really make certain I will vote for Hatch on a write in.

  • lket Bluffdale, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 12:11 p.m.

    but remember tea party is a front for mega corporations and fox news of course

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 10:33 a.m.

    Goodbye Hatch. No amount of campaign funds will make up for your record as a Senator that bows to special interest and is way too willing to latch on to liberal ideas.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    Jan. 4, 2012 10:17 a.m.

    I don't care who replaces him, Hatch needs to go. The man has been in office since 1977, he's not representing anything new or progressive.