Saltlaketeamsrule: I agree with you the biggest problem is who Corbin has on the
floor to start and who he plays together. Some fit well together, some don't,
Favors does't touch the ball nearly as much as he should when he is on the floor
with Big Al and he doesn't go to the low block and demand the ball, he defers to
Big Al, not what is needed. CJ is better than alot of the CJ haters want to
admit, he isn't great but he is better than Bell for sure. I like Haywards game,
he did struggle last night but his whole game is what we need, he sees the floor
well, creates for others and he usually shoots much better than he did last
night. Burks needs Bells time or at least half of it. With CJ and Howard on the
floor we have two players that create for themselves and Harris doesn't have to
create their shot like he has to for alot of others. Big Al is a black hole. We
need to get Favors , Kanter, Hayward and Burks more playing time.
@EdCullen, I think you have totally missed the point people are trying to make
here, most of these posters are very well informed of the Jazz situation and
realize this should be a rebuilding year (Even though Corbin and KOC both have
denied it), and I think the fans are willing to deal with the losses but not
when the minutes are going to a bunch of guys that are over the hill and not the
young guys that provide some excitement and are going to be slow to get to the
level they need to be without the minutes.@CJMiles, from
"Dallas Texas", I think you really are CJ Miles. Anyone who is not
consistent at least most of the time should not be a starter that you need to be
able to count on every single game, CJ is great every 3rd or 4th game but that
is not good enough.
This C.J. person on this web and his love affair with Miles is ridiculous. If
your going to quote stats quote them all and that will tell you if you can read
how well your boy is playing now and has his whole career. And one thing that
will not show up is his absolute stupidness all the time and especially at
critical times! Send him, Bell, and Jefferson packing Greg, or this team will go
@CJ Miles; everybody must have blinders on. Well stat's don't lie do they. Maybe
he should try too be more effective some way so he can add value to the team,
and too himself so management can trade him:)
Raja Bell is starting in the NBA, no matter how many times I hear it, I can't
believe it! He is a starting guard in the NBA and averaging 3 points a game,
shooting 37% and 20 on his three pointers. How is he even in the league? He is
horrible, replace him with Burks. Derrick Favors has his best night as a
professional with 20 points and 10 rebounds and Corbin benches him. Al Jefferson
kills the offense movement and does nothing on defense, why the H would you
bench Favors after his best game! I can't figure out what Corbin is thinking and
I am sure his players can't either!!
Jefferson didn't pass out of the double, triple team even once last night. What
kind of post play do you call that? Jefferson makes everyone on the floor ( for
our team ) worse.What is up with Raja Bell still starting and using
up valuable playing time? We just as well start 4 0n 5, it's the same thing. I
agree with the poster that said Corbins love affair with Bell will end up
costing Corbin his job.( Was that you Old Timer?) It looks like that might be
what it takes.
Let me see:Hayward 1 - 9Bell 0 - 3Harris 2 - 8Watson 2 - 9And you want to rip on CJ: He was the only one
besides Hayward who even made a 3 last night. And Haywards was in garbage
time.CJ plays no defense yet has 3 steals last night.Funny how ya all have on blinders when it comes to the other guards who can't
shoot the ball at all. If you want a youth movement, CJ is only 24. He
outplayed all your "dream" players last night. So if your comments
are to mean something, rip on Hayward for his poor shooting all season. Rip on
Harris for his lack of caring or wanting to win. Rip on Bell for even showing
up without a paper bag over his face. Watson can't shoot period yet he jacked
up 9 shots.Reality is CJ should be starting and Bell should be gone.
I think it's time to switch up the starting line up again, Raja Bell isn't
giving the Jazz anything right now. Replace Bell with Howard and put Hayward at
the 2 where he belongs.
How long is it going to take the jazz brass to realize that you can't start
Hayward, Bell, & Milsap. As much as you may love the attitude of those 3
players, when you start all three you are at an athletic disadvantage at 3 out 5
positions. That's never going to work. It's also unfair to Harris, it puts way
too much pressure on him to try and create a mismatch. Swallow your pride and
start Harris, CJ, Howard, Favors, & Jefferson. Then you won't be down by ten
halfway through the first quarter every single game. It looks like Corbin is
getting the players to play hard, but he is doing a terrible job of managing
minutes. He has to pay more attention to the +/- while players are on the floor.
Bell has the worst +/- in the NBA. Watson's good +/- is a bit skewed because he
gets to play with CJ and Josh Howars more than Harris does. Really the jazz
don't have to change much, just the rotation. Go with th starting 5 I stated
then play Kanter, Hayward, Milsap, and Watson off the bench. I plugged the
numbers, did the math. If they played that rotation they would be 3-1. Pay
attention jazz brass. I am trying to help. Do the math yourselves, and you'll
see I'm right.
How about Merit Pay in each game. You don't hit within 10% of your season
average you get docked $10,000. You don't get within 10% your season average of
RB, you get docked another $10,000. You loose $2,000 for each point your
opponent beats you. This will tell us how serious you are about
being an overpaid athlete. The effort put forth by these guys is laughable.
The Jazz franchise has been in a free-fall since Larry Miller died and there are
no parachutes in sight......
I loved the out come of the game last night, glad i finally got to watch
"your utah jazz lose again.. Keep up the good work!
I think I can accept the fact that we have a young team and it will take some
time before we become a contender. However, our ownership and especially our
coaches could do so much better. Come on Greg and Corbin. Do it right or mover
over and let someone else take the lead.
A few more comments to add. Did you really believe last night that your team as
it is structured today was going to come back on this Spurs team Ty? Without
practice time how are you going to develop players like Evans, Burks, Tinsley
and Kanter and keep them ready to play physically? Do you see any future from
this day forward for Bell, & C.J. here? "Black Hole" Jefferson
needs to be put on the trading block along with those two above, your trade
exeption, and draft picks to build the solid foundation for the future, can't
this management see that? Losses by 1 point are losses, if your going to lose
why not develop what you have now for the future instead of using up playing
time with players that have proven they no longer fit in our system? Payers
trying is one thing, how about some try from management and the coaching staff!
Most of the posts here are crying for the young players to get playing time and
I agree, I think we all need to go to the Jazz web site and write to Greg Miller
and tell him we would prefer losing with the youngster getting the playing time,
if enough of us do that maybe they'll get the message. I agree Favors can do all
Big Al does and more if he just gets the playing time and touches. Bell is a
waste, give his time to Burks.
Disgusting or terrible? Take your pick. 4 games and Bell starts all four even
though he produces absolutely nothing. Why? 4 games and Corbin has shown that
nothing has changed defensively from the "Sloan" days regarding
defense. Wide open lanes to drive in from outside to the basket, no perimeter
defense, apparently "STILL" not believing that todays NBA shooters can
make 3 pointers. C.J(17min), Hayward(31min), Watson(23min),and "black
hole" Jefferson all stinking up the joint but Evans, Burks and Tinsley get
a combined 7min of playing time. What's that mentality Ty? Same old Jerry
Sloanisms? C'mon Ty either coach and quit the favoritisms or or head for the
Carolina's where your their hero, because more of your initial approach and
mentality will not be needed or appreciated here in the future. I'd like to give
you more credit than what you have shown so far, you have played in this league,
don't be a follower be a leader. I want Jazz success as much as anyone and think
we are positioned for that with this young team!
You could see problems coming right from the opening tip. The first 7 or 8 shots
were from the outside. If that would have been Sloan on the pine, you can bet
there would have been a timeout. I really dont think anyone was expecting a win
against the Spurs, but trying woould help out. 4 games into the season and
already we see the same CJ as last year. He has 1 good game out of every 5.
Belll needs to stay home. Pound the ball inside until they start collapsing then
start going outside. It is much easier to hit a 5' than it is a 18'. Ty needs to
quit being these guys friend and be a coach.
Wow guys, be patient. If you didn't know this was going to be a big rebuilding
year, than you are an ill-informed fan. It will take time to put things
together, we are only 4 games into the season. I didn't expect a playoff team
this year and you shouldn't either. Growing pains should be expected, especially
on a squad with so much change and a very short training camp. Call me back
after 30 games. Don't expect our team to be competing on the road against great
teams like the Spurs yet.
I agree with most of the assessments. Bell should become a coach, he can't play
at the NBA level any longer. Hayward and Burke should split minutes at the two,
Hayward is not a three, and KOC needs to find a legitimate three with the trade
excpetion sometime down the road.At the rate we're going now, look
at the bright spot, we'll get another lotto pick in the draft, then they can
also sit the bench next year while Bell, Miles, Harris and others whose time has
passed continue to get the minutes.
Low post to AJ and watch everyone stand around. In my mind the problem is
Jefferson.We can't run with him on the floor. No cuts or screens. Everyone is
waiting to see what he will do.Get rid of AJ and Harris will be All Star..
Shooting was the difference in this game. Manu was brilliant, the rest of the
Spurs shooting pretty good, and the Jazz's jump shooting was awful. This was a
game where the Jazz needed to use more players because it was a back-to-back
night with a late flight into San Antonio, but it's tough to use inexperienced
players against an experienced team and not fall further behind. The next five
games should be interesting...should get two or three wins, I would guess.
Dear Ty Corbin,You will eventually come to your senses and take my
advice, but I predict that you won't come to my realization until you've
suffered the pain of many more losses and wasted a large portion of the
season.YOU HAVE TO PLAY THE YOUNG GUYS. The young guys actually
give fans a reason to watch even though we know we aren't going to win as many
games this year. Teams like this can be fun to watch, even when the wins aren't
there. Remember 2004-2005 when the roster was AK47, Harpring, and a pack of
cigarettes? The season was so entertaining even though we went .500Not only will the fans have more reason to fill the seats and watch the games,
but you will actually have a better chance to win because THE YOUNG GUYS ON THIS
TEAM ARE MUCH BETTER THAN THE VETS!!! I agree with all the Burks comments. He
has 19 points this year in like 12 minutes of playing time. Favors would do
everything Jefferson does if he had the touches, plus he takes up space and can
play D. Kanter is NOT a bust. Dude is a beast on the boards, doesn't chicken
out against other bigs, and has some sweet post moves.So go ahead,
don't listen to me. Keep riding the Jefferson, CJ, and Raja train and keep
watching the L's come and the fans lose interest. But you will eventually come
to your senses and play the young guys. I just hope it won't be too late.
bench bell & play the younger guys, it will be better for our future
Go young. Please.
What does Burks have to do to get playing time and how bad does Raja have to be
to lose his minutes? Corbin please go with the youth movement! Also please don't
play Favors with Jefferson. Actually don't play anyone with Jefferson. They all
just stand around and watch when he gets the ball because they know he isn't
going to pass it. Even when he has a good night no one else can get into the
flow of the game because they all become so passive!
Look at the 3 point shooting: Jazz: 2-16Spurs: 10-16The
Jazz killed the Spurs on turnovers and blocks, but it's hard to make up a 24
point difference in 3 point shooting on the same number of shots.
Well, here we go again. No off ball screens, no cutting to the hoop looking for
the ball, really no offense. So lets go down the court pass the ball in the post
and stand around hoping magically the ball will somehow go in the hoop without
anyone looking to slash through the paint looking for the ball. Yea Ill give the
Spurosaurs credit when a team shoots the 3 ball as well as they did its hard to
win, but come on Jazz and coaches lets just play good b-ball. Last
year the Jazz ran spot which got the O moving without the ball, where is it did
Coach leave out that proven offense, Ive only seen 2 games but havent seen it
or much of a set offense so far. I havent gave up on the team and I never will,
but come on coach you have to do something, yea they are a young team but most
have played D-1 ball or pro-ball they should know how to play the game.. let
them play coach.
Further, CJ Miles plays zero Defense. If the Jazz are not going to man up then
play a trap, mix defenses. Corbin refused to give time to Burks and Evans
again, I did not expect to win vs a Seasoned Spurs Team. What I have a problem
with is effort. I have a problem with coaching. I have a problem why Raja Bell
continues to get time that in blowouts could be used to feature Burks. Evans is
getting little chance. AJ was lazy. He had 4 rebounds in the First Half...The
fact is let me explain difference in Coaching and getting attention. When the
Jazz made a mini-run in the 2nd Quarter to close a large Spur lead to 45-35 3:51
was left in the Half. Popovich called "time". He went off on his
players...Of course I knew they would adjust. Over the last 3:51 of the First
Half, San Antonio scored 9 and held UTAH to a "mere" 4 Points. When
the lead got even down to 16 in one more min run in the 4th, starters..
All the hard work of last night and progress we thought was made has now become
"irrelevant". From the very beginning, I did not think Ty was the
right Coach for this team. Nothing has changed my mind. If the Jazz were not
going to show up, they could have saved the air fare and transportation and
lodging expenses to go on a 3 Hour flight. They got in Local time about 230 am.
They played like sleepwalking. There must be more than coincidence why Raja
Bell continues to get time for going 0-3, not guarding Ginobli and just take 2
charges to say he did something. I do not know what was wrong with Gordon
tonight. Jefferson scored 21 but may have been responsible for 21 of his own.
The fact is, they allowed a 6-6 Blair with 3 pairs of Shoes to get to 6-6
dominate our frontline. They refused AGAIN to guard the 3. Ginobli was open
all night..SO was Bonner and Jefferson and not one adjustment made.
After burkes was about the only bright spot in the loss to Chicago, he was
rewarded with the next 2 games on the pine, where was he and evans before the
last 2 minutes of garbage time. It would be different if Raja and CJ were
producing. Howard is not the answer at the 3, he has lost his touch from outside
and shoots to much.Tonight's starting line up was pretty close to
what took them to one of the poorest records in the 2nd half of last season.