GEORGE, stating the obvious, out of my context, is damaging. I KNOW there are
many here making America their own lives and that of their families, better.
Some are my family. I don't think there is an issue if everyone here is here
@wear2manyhatzWe deport all who are here illegally. Illegal is a status,
not a ethnic group. Why would you think otherwise? The situation is getting
ridiculous, and well past time to do something about it. It all comes down to
enforcing the laws on the border and the interior, and people will start self
deporting. That includes heavy fines and pulling business licenses. Since there
is not statute of limitations, we can go back and pull licenses of those that
hired people here illegally in the past. And make the business names known. Americans get our names in the paper when we commit crimes, there is no
reason to hide the identity of known offenders.
I tire of explaining this over and over to Pagan.Per CNN: "The
statistics are actually a little deceptive," Obama said last month during a
discussion with Hispanic journalists. There has been "a much greater
emphasis on criminals than non-criminals." And "with stronger border
enforcement, we've been apprehending folks at the borders and sending them back.
That is counted as a deportation even though they may have only been held for a
day or 48 hours."
DeltaFoxtrot. Your comments are much too simple and have way toooooo much
common sense. No self respecting p/c politician would ever think of supporting
in such a thing. Viva LEGAL immigration.
Bacchus0902-It is not about Latinos. It is about illegal immigrants.
Yes, most illegals are latinos. But most of us know the difference between
latinos who are citizens (or legal residents) and illegal immigrants. I have no
interest in bothering latinos who are my fellow Americans or legal residents. I
have a problem with illegals, regardless of race or ethnicity.
Most LEGAL latinos that I know don't want Utah to become the cesspool that
Mexico has become.LEGAL latinos see the value of laws. Its also
worrisome to them that our once "blind justice" system is quickly
becoming politicized.They already saw THAT in Mexico!
Bacchus @ 8:12 You seem to be the purveyor of hatred and ignorance.
I suggest you try to enter Mexico (or any other country) illegally. Call me
collect from prison. Let me know how it worked out for ya.....
@ "Baccus..."Maybe you know different "saints"
that I know.The ones I know believe in "honoring, upholding,
and sustaining" the law. Of the "saints" you know; WHAT do they
believe?Whether you follow Obama, or Romney, doesn't it make you
just a little bit nervous that laws regarding illegal immigration are BEING
IGNORED?It sounds like you're confused also about "legal"
or "illegal", they are two DIFFERENT legal terms. If you
or someone you know are here illegally you are BREAKING THE LAW, I wonder if you
understand that? Does it matter to you? Should we eliminate borders
altogether? Would you mind if I invited an illegal alien from ..... say
Indonesia to take YOUR job? Why?BTW - INS DOES have a program where
you can "sponsor" an immigrant to come here, but the catch is: YOU'RE
responsible for their medical, transportation, finding a job, food, housing,
etc. NO ONE ELSE.Why do you expect the rest of us to do what you
WON'T DO yourself??
I am a strong, committed Democrat, and agree that we need to enforce immigration
laws. However, we also need to change those laws to reflect reality,and be more
humane.Let's start with deporting those who have committed violent
crimes. Hmmm, that still leaves a lot. How about the uninsured? That would
save lots of money that we don't actually spend on undocumented immigrants. How
about the elderly who serve no purpose? Children too young to be school
janitors? Oh yeah; drug smugglers, violent or not. Of course, what will all
the drug users do to get their illegal drugs?This article is about
Obama, Latinos, and Republicans. Why would anyone of Hispanic descent vote for
any of the top tier Republican candidates? I wonder if these
candidates feel the same way about "illegals" from Canada, Europe and
other "white" areas?
@lost in DC of course there may have been some but it is clear that many
of the posters assume that most if not all latinos are either illegal, on the
public dole or both.
"'At the end of the day, who are you going to vote for? You're still going
to vote for Obama. They (Republicans) don't give you much of a choice,' he
said."Hello, Ron Paul? If Latinos want real change, they're
only going to get it from the Republican side of the aisle, they'll never get it
from Democrats for the reason above, which is that the Latino vote is taken for
granted. But all Republicans take for granted that Latinos will vote Democrat,
except for Ron Paul, who is the only one with a sensible approach to immigration
that would lead to untold economic benefits for immigrants as well as current
inhabitants of the US.
@ WORFYou are wrong, I was not expressing bitterness. I was expressing
"frustration".Frustration of the ignorance displayed on
this pages. I guess my expectations for the Saints are higher than what I read
on these pages.Most Latinos I know are U.S. Citizens and we all
work, pay taxes and never have received anything from the government. We have an
education and try to apport our best to society.Yes, we Latinos
represent a large number of the illegal aliens in this country. Again, we are an
easy to recognize ethnicity. Because, there are Whites, Blacks, and Orientals
who also are illegals but they get mixed with the larger population.Most Latinos are legal and contributing members of society. Actually, those of
you who live by the borders, should know that the first European language spoken
on your state was Spanish and not English.Why am I even trying to
explain something that should be common knowledge?Regardless, we are
the largest minority in the U.S.A. and as citizens and voters will support
President Obama again. Are we going to make a difference in 2012? Many
politicians Reps and Dems think we will.
Willary and PaganWho cares if we are deporting illegals. It makes
no difference whatsoever if our so called leaders are unwilling to SECURE the
williary:"Just the facts my friend. Obama and his
Administration have been much tougher on illegal immigration than previous
Republican administrations."Tell that to the people here along
the border. You have no idea. Obama has a known illegal aunt and
uncle in our country from Kenya. The uncle recently arrested for DUI.When are they going to be deported?
Baccus0902 Because someone disagrees with you they are showing ignorance
and hate? REALLY???George,Who is to say some of those polled
were NOT illegals? With less than half of those polled registered to vote
(below the national average of around 65-70%) there HAD to be some illegals.
Can you assure us that there were none?Williary,interdictions
at the border are NOT deportations even if BO has started calling them that.
Of course they are doing to disapprove of any efforts to rid America of their
illegal brethren.The solution to this is so simple... require
E-verify everywhere and make it a felony to employ an illegal. Toss some
business owners in jail, slap them with some fines and nobody would dare risk
hiring someone that couldn't prove 110% that they have a right to live and work
in this country.If the jobs go away the illegals will go away. We
won't have to deport anyone.
@williary The Napolitano border patrol NOW counts those that they stop at the
border and say "turn around and go home" as deportations. Before last
year, they had to have actually detained and processed them (medical checks,
food, water, etc) before they could count them as "deportations". I'm
sure the immigration attorneys quoted in the article ALREADY KNOW this. I
don't know how many deportations have taken place, I just know that once again,
this administration has "fudged" the numbers to make things look
better than they are. This administration won't let the states enforce
illegal trespassing statutes, yet have no problem whatsoever calling on local
law enforcment to help them with bank robbery suspects, DEA apprehensions,
etc.Doesn't it ALSO become obvious that Obama couldn't care less
about jobs for ACTUAL legal residents? Allowing approximately 8 million jobs to
be taken by illegal trespassers, along with the fact that he WON'T let the
keystone pipeline be built that would provide at least 20,000 high paying jobs
SHOULD convince all voters that Pres. Obama says one thing and does a another!
"Republicans have such a hatred for Obama, they can't even give him credit
for stepping up on an issue they love to talk about. Pathetic."And what was even more ironic is THEY - the conservatives did nothing about it
themselves when they were in charge. As much as they complain, and whine, and
proclaim Obama a failure, whet in the heck does this make them? This has been a
problem/issue since I was a boy in California in the 60s. This is nothing new
under the sun. This isn't something that just happened in the last 2.5
years.Neither Bush did anything to fix this problem, and neither did
Reagan. While they controlled congress they didn't do anything. So the rants
against Obama are simply more of the same. Cry, complain, lie, whine, is what
they do. Solutions are non existent. Lets face it, all this proves
is complaining sells advertising and makes the complain alot/do nothing crowd
feel good about themselves. Real solutions require courage. Bush II showed
courage, he put forth a solution, and his own party abandoned him because they
don't want solutions, they just want to complain.The party of
'Per ABC news, dated 12/28/2011: "Since 2009, the annual average
number of deportations has approached 400,000, according to the Department of
Homeland Security.' - williary | 11:15 a.m. Dec. 29, 2011
Supported: *'Deportation of illegal immigrants increases under Obama
administration' - By Peter Slevin - Washington Post - 07/26/10 'The
Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency expects to deport about 400,000
people this fiscal year, nearly 10 percent above the Bush administration's 2008
total and 25 percent more than were deported in 2007.' *'U.S. sets
another record for deporting illegal immigrants' - By Lee Davidson - DSNews -
08/19/10 *Record high: 400,000 undocumented immigrants deported By
Elizabeth Stuart DSNews 10/18/11 But Republicans don't rely on
facts... they rely on rhetoric. Example?
*Sen. Kyle mocked for making up numbers in abortion debate By Sarah
Iraelsen-Hartley DSNews 04/12/11
@Say No to BOPer ABC news, dated 12/28/2011:"Since
2009, the annual average number of deportations has approached 400,000,
according to the Department of Homeland Security. Thats double the annual
average during President George W. Bushs first term and 30 percent higher than
the average when he left office.Meanwhile, the flow of illegal
immigrants into the United States has hit a decade low because of the down
economy and stepped-up enforcement efforts."Just the facts my
friend. Obama and his Administration have been much tougher on illegal
immigration than previous Republican administrations.But of course
it will never be enough due to that pesky "D" by his name.Republicans have such a hatred for Obama, they can't even give him credit for
stepping up on an issue they love to talk about. Pathetic.
It's all in who, is perceived to give the most handouts. Mexico has done what
our country is heading to.--Elect corrupt leaders.In a few years
we'll be illegally headed to Canada.
Unless they "immigrated" legally then they are not immigrants, theyre
ILLEGAL ALIENS. The fact that hispanics disapprove of Obama's deportations just
goes to show us all that they support the "reconquista of aztlan. Why else
would they flee the cesspool called mexico to come here? So they can turn this
country into the same thing they ran away from? Obama is just
another politician who talks out of both sides of his mouth, trying to please
everyone so he wont be voted out of office. When interviewed by the mexican
propaganda station Univision, he called Americans who want immigration laws
enforced "the enemies", and yet he is trying to show the rest of the
voters that the federal government is doing their job by stepping up
deportations. Meanwhile, states on the borders are being ravaged by the
millions of illegals get sued by Obama's administration when they try and do the
job that the feds are failing to do. It's time that we elected
someone with a real spine who will do the job of cracking down on this problem,
because you can't please both sides, and Americans are sick and tired of this
invasion from mexico.
"They feel betrayed by President Obama," said Dr. Cesar Diaz, ...The fact is that Obama betrayed all the non-business, working, ordinary
people of America by his actions to support and promote the agenda of the
business interests. However, his loyalty to business may not be as strong as
the republicans who are running for president. So voters may choose the remain
in the skillet rather than jumping into the fire. Our economic
problems of jobs, foreign labor and government favoritism toward business are
problems caused by, promoted and supported by the republican agenda to gain the
upper hand for their corporate masters. One way to solve the
uncontrolled immigration problem would be to stop coddling the immigrants by
allowing the use of foreign languages in the American society. The American
people would welcome new Americans who wish to be Americans, but do not welcome
people who come to America just for the money and intend to continue their
loyalty to their previous nation. If the phony Americans, no
matter how they got here, were not given so much consideration, maybe we would
have them as allies rather than enemies.
This President and his small Cabinet compared to his myriad of Czars haven't
produced any long-lasting and valuable policy decisions. They keep on moving
their target to get a better shot but their weapon,ammunition and sight is poor
quality and is corruptible and influenced by others. They have tried the
Congress when it was theirs and that didn't work, thanks to the Constitution
basic principles of the electorate. I was thinking about Iraq and how Saddam
came to power and devised a way for Iraq's populace and leaders to eat each
other and before long the people owed him allegiance. He made military
decisions that cost them the Iran-Iraq war, as he would think about His System
to keep himself alive and doing well. He never cared for his people or country,
only himself. We have to be cautious in everything that happens in the next 10
months but thank goodness for our Constitution and the system of government we
have. The Founders were inspired and they came up with a valid Document that
has lasted, with few changes for over 200 years. A Civil War proved the
Constitution is powerful with the loss of lives.
I suspect this article is just a page filler to stir up animosity. What new
national poll are you talking about. Is it the " 2011 National Survey of
Latinos" as listed farther down in your article? Never heard of it. I
reject the statement that "Latino's will vote in a block in Colorado,
Nevada, and New Mexico", vote in a block for nothing more than a notion
that, as latinos, we will gain some political edge on the rest of the
population. Anyone old enough to have voted in more than one election knows that
the promises made by politions are only good while they are standing on their
soap box. In my opinion, any group that votes in a block because of origin, skin
color, language, or even political party hasn't fulfiled their responsibilty as
citizens to not, just follow the leader, but to investigate the real issues and
give it some thought,and then come to their own conclusions.
Does this really surprise anyone?
Who cares what mexico thinks......deport all the illegals period! this
president is a failure for not deporting MORE!!!
"Cooked the books on deportation statistics by including the border
arrests, which Obama himself admits is misleading."I would love
to see the quote that backs this statement up. This wreaks of radio show
spin.That said, and not being a big supporter of many things Bush
did, he actually had the best approach of the illegal problem. Simply stated,
we need people willing to do the manual labor jobs in this country.
"Americans" have become soft, and will not do these jobs. Heck, many
of my sons friends while he was in high school snubbed their noses at fast food
jobs because they viewed these jobs as being beneath them. We need a guest
working program - period. How we get there is the big question.The hard core Obama hateers will do what ever they can to explain away
anything that shows progress. And that is fine, political disagreement is what
this country is based on. But while this crowd excels at complaining, they
really come short on proposing real solutions other than silly draconian
unaffordable solutions. It would be great to see some reason based debate on
@williaryObama deserves the criticism. He has:Ended worksite
raids.Halted the increase in detention beds by insisting on "dorm
room" quality for incarceration.Procedurally invalidated 300,000
deportation orders.Changed the 287g agreement, making it meaningless.Ditto for the Secure Communities program.Cooked the books on deportation
statistics by including the border arrests, which Obama himself admits is
misleading.No williary, Obama is NOT the great deporter.(Don't
misunderstand me. GWB was a pathetic panderer who cared little for immigration
enforcement. But in his second term he was forced to implement some interior
enforcement programs which Obama has neglected.)
DN Subscriber.... of all Americans eligible to vote, only , 67.6% are
registered to vote. Then you asked "Question- How many of the
adults who are not registered voters are here illegally?Sort of
silly to ask people who are violating the law if the approve or disapprove of
enforcing the law."So using your logic, up to 32.4 percent of
Americans may not be legally here as well... and hence don't vote. I am sure
the logic that of those latinos who don't register do so for the exact same
reason why all those white european decent people didn't register. No
possibility it could be the very same voter apathy, could it?Rock -
check your facts.... more jobs were lost in the last year of the Bush
administration than the entire 25 years of Obama.... facts not rhetoric. The
economy crashed before Obama was president.KM says and I agree
"Not to worry, Obama. Groups can be bought ".... the Tea Party is
living proof of that. The vast majority of funding for Tea Party events comes
from a handful of people. Latinos would likely vote Republican if conservatives
weren't playing the blame the mexican card so often.
There are some comments here that when you read them, it's like you can feel the
anger and the rudness. I think we are all able to keep it civilized. Back to the article, it looks to me latinos had realized they were used by
Obama (just like any other group). He even ran a Latino party in the White
House. I must confess that althought I didn't vote, at first I did think he was
the guy. This time, I am going to vote. This guy needs to go home. The country
doesn't need band aids to fix its problems.
Obama actually has tackled deportation of illegal immigrants much more strongly
than W ever did. Check the facts, many more have been deported in his 3 years
than were under W's eight.Yet, Obama still gets hammered and
ridiculed by Republicans on this board.Even while doing something
they claim to be so in favor of.Good to see sound logic is not being
affected by hatred and bias.
It's funny how the media spin game works. Headline writers rule.Same
data, yet the CNN headline reads: "Survey says Latino voters sticking with
Obama, Democrats."Bush-Rove began this fool's game of trying to
out-bid the democrats using amnesty. He never won that game. He got 44% of the
Latino vote in 2004...and lost credibility for the party in the process.The 2008 GOP platform is instructive. "We oppose amnesty."May
the candidates wake up and stick to principles rather than pandering to the
Not to worry, Obama. Groups can be bought with other peoples money, its called
redistribution of wealth, and it works like a champ. We have all become
divided, you know. The politicians are the ones in charge of this plan and its
never failed them yet. Now, go out and purchase those votes.One nation
under the heavens, DIVIDED, with liberty and justice for the right group.
" the craddle of idiocy "So funny.
@Baccus0902Leesburg, VA"The ignorance and hate of some of
the comments here always makes me wonder if this is representative of the LDS
church. I hope Not."I read through these comments and saw no
hate. Why is it that you think it is hateful to disagree with you?I
agree the Republican Party has problems. They are far too much like the
Democrats.How can you say that Obama is trying? He has created more
unemployment that he has fixed. He destroyed drilling in the gulf (in spite of
court orders, yes, he is in contempt of court), he has shut down several coal
burning generating plants, Obama Care is making people think twice about hiring
new people. Obama likes to talk about jobs "Created or saved" (and
you can't measure saved jobs). It is more like created or destroyed.A president with any sense would have had the unemployment rate down to 5%
eighteen months ago.Yes, President Obama is trying...my patience.
Now we are calling them "unauthorized immigrants"?So if a
burglar breaks into my home, I should call him an unauthorized occupant?NO. They are illegal immigrants. This means criminals. P.C. garbage
minimizes the fact that they don't follow the rules. Secure our borders.
Enforce the law!
That we are deporting so many is an indicator of the size of the problem. If
most Latios wanted their peers deported, that would be news.
So in other words "Latino's" still believe it's ok to break the law,
drive without drivers license's, no insurance and show up to our hospitals ER's
to be treated at the expense of the American people.......WOW! And then smuggle
in drugs on top of all this, what gives???
Bebyebe,Don't be so easily deceived. Baccus0902 was expressing
bitterness, and how can you categorize DN readers into one category?You and Baccus0902, are very similar.
@ute alumni 8:55 p.m. - "Your guy, obama, has done more to harm this
country in three years than any one including, Nixon, Carter and
Clinton"Glenn Beck, Fox News, and the voices that filter
through the tinfoil are not the only sources of information out there. They do,
however, feed your (and others') obvious xenophobic denigration of Latinos.
Smokescreen. He told them in a speech in Denver that the numbers were fixed.
They were counting people turned away at the border, and releasing felons in
prison if they self deported. So why are we getting this polling of
people with unknown nationality?
Baccus0902 isn't expressing hatred. It's an opinion.Why do DN
readers always resort to hyperbole?
@trustjenn and Tibi001 Sorry to say this but your bias is showing again,
this was a poll of Latino's not illegal immigrants or welfare recipients.
Believe it or not there really are latinos that are citizens and who are not on
The ignorance and hate of some of the comments here always makes me wonder if
this is representative of the LDS church. I hope Not.As a Latino, I
dissaprove of President Obama on several fronts. However, he still will have my
vote because the Republican Party does not represent our interest, nor the
interest of any minority, Hispanics, Blacks, LGBT, Women, etc. The only
exception being Cubans and certain Asian groups.Obama is far from
perfect, but the man is trying..... If Republicans are not able even to form a
united front among themselves, how do they expect to unite our country?The only decent candidate Republicans have is John Huntsman, unfortunately,
Republicans are so blinded for their hatred toward President Obama that they
don't see it.The Republican Party, the craddle of idiocy is
destroying the country and now hopefully will lose Congress and the White House
What the Deseret News appears to overlook in its article is the reporting by
other major news outlets about how huge a margin Obama leads any of the
Republican candidates, with even The Christian Science Monitor headlining how
Obama would trounce his Republican rivals with Hispanic votes.
Obama has an aunt and uncle who are illegal aliens from Kenya. The uncle
recently got arrested for a DUI.
"At this stage, they're just trying to get the votes they need so they want
to sound as extreme as possible," Yapias said.I don't see
anything extreme about enforcing the law.I do find it extreme that in
spite of the undeniable evidence of the harm that illegal immigration is doing
to our country and the devastating effect it is having upon unskilled labor in
this country, that our government refuses to enforce our laws.So
they want the immigration system fixed? Fixed for whom?If you break into
my house don't expect me to serve you dinner.If you break into my country
I would send you packing just as fast as if you broke into my house.
Obama breaking promises? No way! He'd never do that!
good for the latinos. their lives will really improve with the likes of obama.
hopefully they will figure out that this guy is not their frien.
I suppose a handout is still better from a foe versus no handout at all.
Illegal immigrants disapprove deportation. Shocker. I wonder how our Canadian
friends feel about this.
Polls can be made to give any results desired.It is telling that in
this case 557 of the 1,220 adult Hispanics were registered to vote, meaning
about 55% of these adults were not registered to vote.The results
show 60% object to deportation of illegals.Question- How many of
the adults who are not registered voters are here illegally?Sort of
silly to ask people who are violating the law if the approve or disapprove of
enforcing the law.