Sounded like if Warren Jeff is doing something like Reverend Jones did on his
parishioners or Reverand Camping's end of the world stance. Nothing is new here
but they could be under a spell.
Sad that people can still drink the kool aid from this guy Warren!!
Seems strangely like the Ervil LeBaron deal. Ervil communicated from prison in
Utah causing havoc in Texas. Now it works the other way around.
Hopefully when planet Earth proves to perfectly fine in 2013 these folks will
stop this nonsense and dump the associated Jeffs as leaders.
Rembering in my teens the actions of Rev Jim Jones comes to mind, social
services needs to be looking in on the children involved, because it sounds like
it's about time to drink the kool aide all over again. Now is the time to pray
for these lost sheep in their darkest time.
Just a thought: It might be time for Texas to take away Warren's phone
privileges. Who knows what he's going to ask them to do next?
I would assume that all communication with Warren Jeff's is recorded and also
video taped. They need to review this, cause if he is telling his brother to do
something that would put the children in danger, they need to get those children
out of the community. Also, if this group were to do a mass suicide, which I
don't think that is the direction they are going, I would think that Jeff's
would be an accessory to murder. So the scriptures tell us to
"beware of false prophets", to put the community of your people, or
the people in the communities nearby in danger is a good reason to beware.
"These people honestly believe that the end is here and that everybody's
going to be destroyed within the next few days"That's the
problem we have with people who claim to "know" the truth. Charlatans
like Jeffs exploit people's fear of the unknown with claims of exclusive
knowledge of "God" in an effort to secure a power base for themselves.
It's always wise to treat all claims of absolute truth with a
healthy dose of suspicion, especially in absence of evidence, and more so when
the claimant declares that such knowledge has been gained through supernatural
means...it's a good reason to beware.
Honestly the end of their way of life is truly coming. To many false prophets
and very little choice for the female part of their population. When men have
unrighteous dominion over the lives of others they fail, wether it is kingdoms
or religions, People want freedom to choose.
Not that I am one of "Them", but, what if??? They all said the same
thing about Joseph Smith Jr in the beginning, didn't they? It is up to those to
choose, and to be misled. If Thomas Monson said certain "Things", what
would others say or think? I know where I stand, and I don't care what the
"World" thinks, I know the "Pecking order" the Lord has laid
out, and that is the order I FOLLOW, no matter what!
The article seems to be trying to make a big deal out of nothing. People
thinking the world will end in a few days is no crime. People altering the
interior of their church building is no crime, and hardly worth mentioning.Church leaders have the right to conduct intensive interviews. If there
were claims people tried to leave because they disliked them and were physically
detained there might be some grounds to complain, but there is nothing here.Jeffs may have broken the prison rules on outside communication. That
is really the only story here. The FLDS may be about to mass emigrate out of
Utah and Arizona (which on the whole would be a good thing im my view) but it
seems that is a rumor hardly worth printing.The article has a
needlessly conspiratorial tone. The whole "unusual" constuction line
is just one example. People are doing more constuction now than in the past,
the "unusual" just seems to be there to say to us "these people
are strange". This is not a news peace, it is anti-FLDS propaganda.
I guess FLDS teenagers throwing stones at this guy might be almost newsworthy.
However it is community directed anger against the poster of tax notices. It is
only vaguely related to Jeffs, and is more related to the question of whether
taking the UEP because of alleged mismanagement ever made any sense.I am not convinced it did. Part of the complaint seemed to be Jeffs was using
it to give himself good things and the other donors very little. However why
this was a violation of law allowing state intervention is unclear. Just because people break some laws does not mean they loose all rights.
There is also the fact that you must have evidence and a trial to convict
people. You can not deny the FLDS the right to manage their own money on the
presumption that they are braking laws agaisnt having multiple wives.
What exactly has Jeffs asked that might put children in danger? rebaptism?
moving to a new state? Neither of these are crimes.Jeffs can write
letters or make phone calls to his brother and order that everyone stops eating
spinach. People seem to be too quick to give the government power
to regulate everything. Jeffs predictions about the end of the world may
reasonably be held to not be going to happen, but they are not criminal. His
predictions in no way indicate that he is about to attack others. To compare
Jeffs with those who were guilty of muder is just illogical.People
have the right to live their lives how they chose. Some things are crimes, such
as having sex with 12-year-olds. Jeffs is rightly in jail for that. However to
extrapolate from that that any parent who believes he is a religious leader
should loose their children is just unjustified.The government
already can take children too easily. Foster care is not the wonderful happy
place some people think it is. Uprooting children from their homes is
disruptive and should only be done when dealing with real threats.
I agree with John Pack. This is propaganda disguised as a news article. It
would be nice for the Deseret News to bring some balance to this issue.
Building a baptismal font, if that is even what they are doing, is not criminal.
Also, Sam Brower has a big conflict of interest here, as he is literally paid
to be an enemy of the FLDS. The FLDS are Mormons, just as the LDS
are Mormons. Articles on them should be written with balance, not bias.