Utah's immigration enforcement law 'threatens Mexican nationals' human and civil rights,' amicus brief says


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  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Dec. 25, 2011 6:51 p.m.

    The top three income sources for Mexico are tourism, remittances and oil. And we are by far their best customers in all three categories.
    They get the most Green Cards we issue. They supply the most illegal aliens.
    When are our leaders going to stop this nonsense?
    Americans long ago figured out that the tail is wagging the dog here.
    The Mexican government should have no voice in our laws. None.

  • byu rugby Crystal Lake, IL
    Dec. 24, 2011 1:25 p.m.

    The current administration really needs the illegals! Vote early, vote often is the Chicago Way!

  • wrz Salt Lake, UTah
    Dec. 23, 2011 11:10 a.m.

    @John Randolph:

    "Would the Mexican undocumented come or stay here if they could make a comparable living wage and have comparable social services living and working safely at home with their families?"

    There are millions of folks around the world who are in the same situation you describe. We can't take them all. So, we've set up a methodology for people to come in and to become citizens. Crossing the border illegally or overstaying a visa is not some of those methods. Getting in line and obeying our laws is the way to do it.

    Matter of fact, illegals here regardless of method should be denied citizenship... forever. In my opinion, they shouldn't even be able to qualify if they go home and get in line.


    "Actually, 'amnesty for illegals' is all part of the 'hope n change' that Barack tried (and keeps trying) to ram down our throats."

    Obama has relatives who are here illegally (as reported in the DNews). Maybe that't why he's soft on illegals.

    @Liberal Ted:

    "I would like to see the State of Utah sue Mexico..."

    Good point. We should track costs incurred on illegals and send Mexico the bill.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 23, 2011 1:46 a.m.


    You don't think that the men of valor who have sacrificed their lives for this country haven't EARNED the freedoms that you and I enjoy today? You think that anyone in this country has a right to willingly surrender the sovereignty of the U.S., and the freedoms that go with it, to those who would steal them from us, without a fight?

    They do not.

    Go on, keep rationalizing, sportfan21. Bank robbers want much the same thing that you say illegal aliens do, and rob banks for much the same reason that illegal aliens embark on careers of lying, cheating, and stealing in this country, as a way of life.

    And what is your point regarding "treason against England?" Is it that England's tyranny, at the time, is somehow analogous to the GOD-ORDAINED United States Constitution? Is it that illegal foreign nationals in this country -- who demonstrate such pure contempt for the U.S., its borders, its sovereignty, its laws, AND its Constitution -- somehow are analogous to the pilgrims who came to the New World seeking religious freedom?

    And HOW DARE YOU falsely imply that I am characterizing these illegals inhumanely, or as animals.

  • Yorkshire City, Ut
    Dec. 22, 2011 3:43 p.m.

    To Mexico and other Latin countries:

    Perhaps instead of wasting time and resources complaining against policies in US courts, you could use the time, personnel, expertise, and resources in addressing your own issues and corruption--the reasons your people feel the need to leave and come to the US in the first place.

    Fix your own lawlessness and problems, and your citizens wouldn't be trying so hard to leave and find safety and opportunity somewhere else.

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    Dec. 22, 2011 2:56 p.m.

    Tators -

    1 - I understand the difference and illegal aliens have civil rights guaranteed them by the Constitution (see mine/VST's posts). You have access to the internet, I would suggest doing a bit of research before spouting off like that next time. It'll help you avoid looking foolish.

    2 - Apologies for the confusion, I was referring to illegal aliens affecting overcrowding. CA certainly has overcrowded prisons, largely due to 3 strikes (mostly repeat drug possession) but I have not seen any information that illegals contribute substantially to overcrowding in US prisons. Can you please provide sources?

    3 - First, income withholdings aren't the only way one pays taxes. Second, you expect me to believe a bunch of undocumented workers w/ no SS#s hang out at H&R Block? Your story is fraught w/ holes, does it have a point? Third, there is plenty of information out there about undocumented workers paying taxes.

    VST - I appreciate the response . Note Yick Wo was the plaintiff b/c most involved were illegal and afraid of filing suit. Plyer is certainly better but I chose Yick Wo b/c it was the most longstanding case on the subject that I know of.

  • sportsfan21 OREM, UT
    Dec. 22, 2011 1:27 p.m.

    Dear Anti-Liar,

    No I wouldn't give my car or house to them, but that's because I earned those things when given the opportunity. Don't mistake me for one who calls for amnesty. I understand that the US can't accept everyone who wants to come. But the inhumane characterization of illegals as animals has to stop. Yes they are breaking a law, but when we look at they're logic they are not evil people. They want to have a job, get an education for their kids, and be happy. These are the same things that our Founding Fathers wanted and they committed treason against England to get it.

    At Christmas time especially, we should all be humane enough to look at ourselves and think "We're so blessed, I wish that others could have this kind of happiness and I'm saddened that it's not possible for everyone have it."

    We always have to find something to be unhappy about. Can't we look at the positives? Most of us have a warm home, food, healthcare, education, and access to more information than any civilization in history.

  • ted001 Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 22, 2011 1:15 p.m.

    The sory reads: "Utah's new immigration enforcement law "threatens the human and civil rights" of Mexican nationals..."

    Duh! But it does not threaten the human and civil rights of, say the citizens of Kazahstan, right? Or the Eskimos? I suppose next largest group this law is targeting is Mexican nationals.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 22, 2011 1:10 p.m.


    And your implication that foreign nationals have a right to invade this country without permission and take that to which they are not entitled, is false.

    It is not an issue of anyone thinking that they are "better" or "more deserving."

    But since you think that it is, and since you certainly are not guilty of thinking that you are better or more deserving, why don't you just surrender your house and your car to an illegal alien -- the same way you are suggesting that Americans should surrender the sovereignty of this country to them. That's right, just hand over the keys. After all: you don't believe that you are more deserving of these things than they are -- do you?

    So how about it. After all, it is the "compassionate" thing to do -- right?


    Contrary to your implication, it is NOT humane to surrender the birthright of America's children to illegal foreign invaders. "Equal treatment?" How about giving persons from other countries a chance, instead of giving illegal aliens from ONE country (guess which one) preferential treatment? Aren't you interested in being "humane" with the rest of humanity around the world who would like to emigrate?

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 22, 2011 12:53 p.m.

    I would like to see the State of Utah sue Mexico and other nations for allowing their people to flee to our country, for allowing their countries to become soo horrible that their own people do not wish to live there, and for allowing their residents to use and abuse our healthcare system and generosity.

    Let's recoup the total cost that we have spent on these people. They have violated my human rights and my rights as a US citizen. They have committed crimes, stolen id's, taken away jobs, lowered our standard of living and have forced their language on us.

    Time to turn things around.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Dec. 22, 2011 11:52 a.m.

    To Stalwart Sentinel (your name itself seems to be a misnomer):

    1) Please learn the difference between civil rights and human rights. Civil rights are used in context to refer to citizen's rights... those who are in a country legally. Human rights are the basic rights that apply to everyone, regardless of citizenship. You seem to often confuse the two.
    2) It appears it is you who should do more research regarding how full many of the prisons are in this country. Many states have prison overcrowding and need to build additional prisons, but can't currently afford to with the economy as it is. Your state, California, especially has a problem. It is documented that many convicts serve only part of their sentences and are released early due to overcrowding. It's a fact. It's also a documented fact that illegal aliens contribute substantially to the overcrowding problem.
    3) Many illegals are paid under-the-table cash as discounted wages, allowing them to not pay taxes. An H&R Block employee recently told me many apparent illegals (no SS #) leave frustrated when finding out they then are not entitled to any tax refunds, without first paying taxes. Go figure!

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Dec. 22, 2011 11:22 a.m.

    Give them their rights and deport them civilly and humanely.

    The open attack on the American worker, by these thirteen countries through encouragement of illegal immigration, and fighting our enforcement, tells us they have no regard for our country, except as an escape valve for their social services and to maintain money sent home.

    Send your congressmen an email and have them stop foreign aide to these countries, to help pay for their illegal citizens here.

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    Dec. 22, 2011 7:17 a.m.

    To Patriot - Most of the things you mentioned are not rights, rather benefits. Nonetheless, I see that you amended your original statement from "civil rights apply to legal citizens of the US and not to illegals" to "full civil rights." That is somewhat more accurate so I am glad you've learned something today. Furthermore, if you don't think illegal immigrants pay taxes, please do some research on that and get on the correct side of the argument. Also, if last you checked, the prisons and hospitals were overflowing, you should check again. That is a patently false statement. Please, use resources available to you to learn for yourself. Finally, as an aside, I think your caps lock sticks from time to time. You might want to get that checked out.

    To VST - Those rights absolutely extend to anyone in the US, regardless of legal status. I honestly appreciate you looking into the case but whichever recitation you read left out some vital information. Yick Wo was a resident alien but was one of many Chinese laundromat owners detained. Many of the others were here illegally but also ordered released. The justices intentionally applied this to all, please reread it.

  • Keith43 Springville, UT
    Dec. 22, 2011 6:02 a.m.

    To prevent law enforcement and/or Immigration from knowing whether these people are here illegally or not, doesn't make sense. The fact that politicans want the "secret" kept, speak volumes. And because they've broken the law to come here, in my opinion, they have no rights to protection under our Constitution.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 22, 2011 2:33 a.m.

    @Happy Valley Heretic:

    "What a bunch of xenophobes and racists."

    And what a liar.

    "Because someone isn't from America they lose their human rights?"

    They do not have a right to lie, cheat, and steal.

    @John Randolph:

    The notion that illegal immigration is only a symptom, but not the problem, is like the psychobabble that says that cheating on one's spouse is merely a symptom, but not the cardinal sin that it is in itself.


    Your point is specious. ALL laws invite profiling. ALL laws invite abuse. Based on your logic, we should get rid of all laws.

    But the notion that racial profiling in itself is absolute taboo is absolute rubbish. The U.S. Supreme Court already has ruled that because the chances of a Latino in this country being illegal is so extremely high, it is NOT unreasonable to take this into account ALONG WITH other pertinent factors. If Latinos don't like that, then they should do something to rectify the poor reputation that their culture, as a whole, has earned because of the disrespect and contempt that so many of their brethren show for this country and its laws.

  • Zona Zone Mesa, AZ
    Dec. 22, 2011 1:29 a.m.

    Our legislators swear to uphold the U.S. Constitution when they are sworn in. Perhaps they should read Article VI. Immigration is a Federal issue; however, I agree that the state can (and, indeed, should) regulate employment and benefits, as that is most definitely not within the Federal Constitution and thus left to the states under Amendment X.

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 10:10 p.m.

    @sportsfan21 - I guess you don't believe in borders? Does 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' mean you are not required to follow laws? I don't think I said I 'hated' anyone. Your comments are 'hateful', I can't believe the DN censors allowed the post.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 8:50 p.m.

    It is a violation of Article 55 of the Vienna Convention for a foreign government to interfere in domestic legislative action.
    Where are our leaders? Why are they not speaking out against Mexico for repeated involvement in OUR politics?

  • Immifriend Sandy, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 7:55 p.m.

    All people have civil rights. We err by ruling out those from other countries. All people should be treated equal, even those born elsewhere. Poverty should not prevent a person from becoming an American, but rather we should open up to the poor from other nations. It is not outrageous, as some have suggested, to treat these people as we would treat ourselves. Not at all. It is humane, and it is different than foreigners are treated in some other countries, but this is America, and America can hold to a higher standard of decency.

  • Bomar Roberts, ID
    Dec. 21, 2011 6:32 p.m.

    What hypocrisy. All we need to know is how Mexico treats undocumented immigrants in MEXICO. Also, Mexico's record of mistreating U.S. citizens legally in Mexico for minor violations is absolutely appalling. Foreigners in Mexico have NO civil rights.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 5:54 p.m.

    sportsfan21: peoples parents who came here legally earned citizenship for their children.

    Where does it say that profiling takes away civil rights? We do it every day at the airports and up to 100 miles from the border.

    The arguments to justify criminal activity have to stop. They are breaking the law and need to be punished accordingly. If the Feds won't do it, then states must. The public knows what needs to be done, and the helpless feeling of watching your government break it's own laws mandates action

  • danaslc Kearns, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 5:43 p.m.

    This would not be happening if our politician's did not stand side by side with these type of people. You see pictures of our Attorney General waving the Mexican Flag and it makes you ill. Why do they think they should gain entrance into the United States and leave the rest of the world out? As a nation we help all not just a few select countries who think that America belongs to them. It does not belong to them and our politician's in Utah need to quit playing with their emotions and promising them things that break our Constitution and make it bad for the US citizen. This is beyond comprehension that our Politician's feel the need to pit another nation against the American.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 5:28 p.m.


    Actually, "amnesty for illegals" is all part of the "hope n change" that Barack tried (and keeps trying) to ram down our throats. You see, amnesty equates to votes for 2012.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 5:02 p.m.

    re:Stalwart Sentinel

    Last time I checked it was ILLEGAL to hire an ILLEGAL immigrant without a lawful work visa. Last time I checked it was ILLEGAL for an ILLEGAL immigrant to vote. Last time I checked it was ILLEGAL for an ILLEGAL immigrant to stay in the US beyond his work visa. Last time I checked our jails ,prisons and emergency rooms are FULL and overflowing with ILLEGAL immigrants that legal US citizens have to pay for because after all ILLEGAL immigrants DON'T pay taxes ...but they are more than happy to enjoy the benefits of those taxes paid for by LEGAL US citizens. Equal protections DOES NOT IMPLY equal benefits!!!! Welfare state people such as yourself are more than happy to welcome illegals into your state until your state goes BANKRUPT like California! Show me in the US constitution where the US was intended to be an open border sanctuary state. So as I said before - if Mexican citizens want to have full civil rights then they need to OBEY THE LAWS of the US and obtain a green card like millions of LEGAL HISPANIC AMERICANS already have!!

  • Captain Green Heber City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 4:41 p.m.

    What the heck do these Latin American countries think they're doing meddling in purely internal matters within the State of Utah.

    They are calling our law "unconstitutional!" Since when have we let outsiders tell us what is or is not within the realm of our authority?

    It's bad enough that our own federal government is suing us (which is mind boggling) for doing what is clearly within our rights as a state.
    But to have the court allow such intervention by foreign entities is appalling to say the least.

    They, along with the feds, should be told by the State of Utah to "take a hike" and let us manage our own affairs.

  • sportsfan21 OREM, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 4:20 p.m.


    The first few lines in the Declaration of Independence our Founders wrote: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

    It's obvious to anyone that knows anything about American History that the Fathers didn't say we had these rights because we are better than everyone else, they believed these rights were God-given and that NO GOVERNMENT could take them away.

    What have you done to deserve these rights that Mexican or European or Asian people haven't? Unless you're a Soldier, nothing. We all know that the real reason we hate illegal immigrants is because we hate paying higher taxes and would rather buy iPods or PS3s. Show some compassion and stop acting like you've earned the freedom we're lucky to have.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 4:15 p.m.

    NAFTA (1996) was suppose to end illegal immigration from Mexico. That was one of the big selling points to the American people. Mexico has not lived up to it's side of the deal. We should be upset with them.

    It's time to copy the part of Alabama's law that was cleared by Federal court. We need to make it illegal for a illegal alien to do business with the state. It makes it very difficult to stay here, and creates a humane self deportation. It also does not interfere with Federal law. Between it and e-verify and pulling business licenses (approved by the Supreme court) it will do the job until our Federal government has changes made.

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 4:07 p.m.

    The Constitution was written for citizens of the United States of America. And the last I checked Mexico was not one of the states. States have always enforced Federal laws - why should immigration be different?

  • Alfred Salt Lake, UTah
    Dec. 21, 2011 3:38 p.m.


    "The state doesn't have the right to interfere with immigration policy."

    The only authority the federal government has, related to immigration, is to '...establish a uniform rule of naturalization' (US Constitution, Article 1.8.4) This has been done. It says nothing about apprehending/deporting illegals crossing the border.

    Furthermore, illegals who come here must live in one of the 50 states. It would seem that the State Governments (law enforcement) would have the responsibility to see that every person living within its borders are obeying not only state but federal laws including immigration laws. It seems obvious that the federal government does not have the manpower to handle all 15 million illegals now living here. All they have is ICE and Homeland Security manpower. The reasonable solution is to empower all 50 states' law enforcement to help with the job. We will never see a resolution if only the federal government is involved. Especially with guys like Obama and AG Holder in charge who see alotta Hispanic votes they can garnish through lackadaisical and half-hearted enforcement. We are witnessing, as we speak, a bloodless invasion of this country by our neighbors to the south.

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    Dec. 21, 2011 3:17 p.m.

    Patriot - More than 100 years of Supreme Court rulings prove you are wrong, flat out wrong. Enlighten yourself by reading Yick Wo v. Hopkins, then apologize to us for wasting our time in claiming illegals aren't afforded equal protection (ie civil rights) under the 14th Amendment, and then go tell your similarly ill-informed friends so you all can redirect your misplaced anger somewhere else b/c the "blame undocumented migrant workers for the ills of a down economy brought about by a housing bubble and unregulated lending practices" argument doesn't fly. Find another scapegoat.

  • Emophiliac Vernal, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 3:06 p.m.

    There is no recognized human right that lets people enter a foreign country without permission. There is the recognized human right that citizens must be allowed back in their home country. That, I don't think, is what the Mexicans are upset about.

    Foreigners are in the US at our sufferance. Instead of being able to have trial after trial to stay in the US, they should be required to give a pretty good defense as to why they should be allowed to stay. The default should be to ship illegals to their home countries.

    It is high time Utah required eVerify for all Utah businesses, regardless of the number of employees. Then, if illegals are knowingly hired, the businesses should be heavily fined and ultimately closed, if they continue to do so. Take away at least one reason for illegals to come and stay here.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 1:53 p.m.

    civil rights apply to LEGAL CITIZENS of the US and NOT to illegals!! If Mexican citizens want civil rights in the US then perhaps they need to OBEY the laws of the US and EARN A GREEN CARD! Holy cow- enough already!!

  • Seattleview Federal Way, WA
    Dec. 21, 2011 1:33 p.m.

    It amazes me that other countries threaten us with poor diplomatic relations if we dont look the other way while their citizins invade our country. On top of that, those illegal immigrants actually march in protest demanding that they have a right to stay in our country.

    Ombama supports this group (for political purposes) by basically declaring war on states that try to inforce our current law. Arizona, Alabama, Utah and WA State are being sued by the government accusing them of discrimination because they arrest more Latino's than they do other minorities. It has to be race profiling they say. Well, when 90% of the illegals are Mexican or 90% of terrorists are Muslim men then I would think it is only logical that those groups are viewed more closely. Pretending that you dont even consider race is simply political correctness.

    With regard to overall immigration reform, I think we should adopt laws similar to Canada. they look at what skill and benefit an immigrant brings to the country before they come in. That includes common farm labor that no one else wants to do. We should do that at the require all jobs be verified.

  • m.g. scott LAYTON, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 1:08 p.m.

    @ SittingReading

    So what's your answer. You seem willing to point out a problem, but don't give a solution. If you don't have one, then don't criticize the people/states that are at least trying to solve the problem.

    P.S. In answer to your first point, maybe all arrested people should be checked for citizenship, then the racial profiling card can't be played.

    Now that's an answer to part of the problem you cite.

  • SittingReading Sandy, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 12:38 p.m.

    As much as i agree with the Utah bill, i actually can see where the DOJ is coming from. This bill encourages racial profiling plane and simple. If a white man is arrested and thrown in jail, we all know he will not have his immigration status checked, regardless of his English skills. In reverse, a Hispanic man who might speak perfect English will be checked.

    Not only is this racial profiling, it really is a waste of our tax paying dollars because it doesn't solve the problem. Do we honestly think that this will stop illegals from entering our state? Will this stop those who employee them? Of course not.

    The law is really pointless and was, like Arizona's, a knee jerk response from the states in an attempt to pretend to actually solve the problem. We as citizen's should be demanding an actual solution, not come to the defense of paper dragons.

  • Dob St. George, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 12:24 p.m.

    We really need our citizens to illegally immigrate to your country and send money back home.

  • Morgan Duel Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 12:15 p.m.

    According to one website the feds take 1,100 million of our tax dollars and give it to nations south of the Border. In addition there are an estimated 15 + million individuals that have come to this country illegally costing an estimated 330 Billion Dollars.

    Now Congress is arguing regarding a tax increase in 2012 so they can pay for all this excess. In addition we spend other billions on welfare, jobs, health care, etc..

    Big brother is handing out so much he may go broke. When will these people wake up? I say vote them all out and I mean all!!!

  • John Randolph RIDGWAY, CO
    Dec. 21, 2011 12:05 p.m.

    As a retired US Border Patrol/INS/ICE agent who has witnessed the death of not only two co-workers, but the death of migrants too, I ask people who are so angry about immigration to consider the possibility that the undocumented are really a symptom of a much larger and insidious problem, and not the cause of that problem.

    May I ask you two questions about the Mexican undocumented? I focus upon the Mexican undocumented because they are our direct neighbors and make up almost 50% of the total amount of undocumented present in the US.

    (1) Would the Mexican undocumented come or stay here if they could make a comparable living wage and have comparable social services living and working safely at home with their families?

    (2) Why do we seldom if ever hear US politicians criticize the corrupt Mexican government for its contribution to, and its responsibility for illegal Mexican immigration to the US?

    The problem is much more insidious than you or your politicians would like to believe. It is about greed, trade, oil, drug profits, arms sales, remittances, and cheap labor.

    Over 40K people killed in the US backed Mexican drug war. Why?

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 11:30 a.m.

    What a bunch of xenophobes and racists.
    Because someone isn't from America they lose their human rights?
    Not constitutional rights granted to Americans, just the rights granted by the
    God so many of you pretend to admire and speak for.

    Gotta love all those who would enact laws from governments
    they detest in order to justify treating other people poorly.

  • arand Huntsville, u
    Dec. 21, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    By the way, if you travel to Mexico as I do occasionally, you have to carry with you at all times a passport and a Visa or a vacation pass. I forget what it is called. They always give them to you on the airplane to fill out. Mexico has very stringent immigration laws. Why do they think we should not enforce ours?

    Why do we even have laws if they are not enforced. This whole immigration thing is all political and everyone knows it. People don't immigrate to this country because of the landscape. They immigrate here BECAUSE of our laws and our Constitution. Mexico has as many natural resources as we do. It is just their government that is messed up.

  • lawenforcementfromAZ Glendale, AZ
    Dec. 21, 2011 11:18 a.m.

    Why has Mexico filed suit against every US state that has attempted to protect it's citizens from the US Governmnets's failed immigration enforcement?


    Next to oil imports, what is primary souce of foreign funds for Mexico:

    Money sent to Mexico from the US by their citizens.

  • GaryW Hurricane, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 11:05 a.m.

    The Federal immigration policy in a nutshell is deciding who receives visas/citizenship and who does not. The states checking immigration status does not in any way infringe on the immigration policy of the federal government. It is no different than checking for outstanding warrants. Arresting, holding, and finally deporting illegal aliens does not infringe on the immigration policy of the federal government. It is simply enforcing the law, existing law, existing federal law.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 11:05 a.m.

    Americans and illegals are "drunk" on "rights". Let's talk less about "rights" and more about "responsibility".

    We owe $15 Trillion, folks. We have 9% unemployment of LEGAL AMERICANS! Social Security and Medicare are bankrupt. We can't provide housing, health care and money to illegal immigrants.

    IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HATE, PEOPLE!! I'm so tired of that...ENOUGH!

    We can sustain our social services by taking on the population of MEXICO! It's not personal.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 11:02 a.m.

    The best thing anyone can do as LEGAL RESIDENTS of Utah is to contact your elected state representatives and tell them how you feel.

    Things like e-verify being implemented statewide would help.

    eliminating the "drivers privilage card" would help.

    Eliminating ANY state money being used to give instruction, or to print ANYTHING in other languages would help.

    These are just a few things that you need to convince your state legislator to consider.

    It would help if people like Herbert and Shurtleff would step up to the plate and LEAD on trying to stem the tide of illegal trespassing, but, sadly, I don't think they have any intention whatsoever to do that!

  • Miss Piggie Salt Lake, UTah
    Dec. 21, 2011 10:58 a.m.

    "... the U.S. State Department advises that HB497 is likely to interfere with the national government's ability to collaborate with foreign governments on matters of joint concern."

    The Utah, Arizona, etc., laws do not interfer with the national government's ability... In fact those state laws help the fed do it's job. What the DOJ and Obama are saying is, don't fiddle with our ability to garner Hispanic votes for the upcoming presidential election.

  • m.g. scott LAYTON, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 10:55 a.m.

    Not to mention that a Huge part of the U.S. drug problem is centered on what is coming across that southern border. Also there are few if any more evil and ruthless people on the planet than the narco-drug gangs that run the operation. Some of you may be worrying about the human rights aspect from the illegal side. But you should focus your attention on the damage done on the U.S. side. The drug problem destroys the lives and families of many citizens from San Jose, CA to Portage, MI. When we fail to enforce our borders we are allowing terriorists to invade and attack it with drugs as surely as if Al Qaeda were doing it with bombs.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 10:53 a.m.

    We have an ethical and legal responsibility to enforce immigration laws. Nothing comes free...even in America.

    The Titanic sank leaving some in boats and thousands without. Do you row an already filled boat over to rescue more that will only drown the entire?

  • Mr. Bean Salt Lake, UTah
    Dec. 21, 2011 10:51 a.m.

    "Utah's new immigration enforcement law threatens the human and civil rights of Mexican nationals..."

    If they think their rights are threatened, just go home.

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    Dec. 21, 2011 10:06 a.m.

    2 points to all the vitriolic commentary -

    1) The Mexican government filed an amicus brief, they are not suing us and are not a party to the suit. Please, stop reacting foolishly and try to understand the situation for what it is.

    2) Humans, even undocumented ones, have many rights per the 14th Amendment. This has been litigated and your side lost. For prideful Americans, none of you seem to have ever attempted to understand the Constitution of this great nation. You're full of anger and hate but no substance.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 9:53 a.m.

    I agree.... we need the same immigration laws that MEXICO has......Arrest and throw in jail, anyone who is not a citizen of the USA!

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 9:29 a.m.

    these latin american countries care nothing about the rights of their citizens who are here illegally - they only care about the possible threat to a major source of US currency.

    I fail to see how determining the immigration status of an arrestee is interfering with foreign relations.

  • Ok Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 21, 2011 9:24 a.m.

    Time to enforce currant immigration laws and send the illegals home. All of them (not just the ones who who murder and rob banks).

  • snowman Provo, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 9:19 a.m.

    If they are here illegally they have no rights here.

  • Munk Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 9:06 a.m.

    You know, twice we have invaded Mexico and twice we have given it back. So now they are suing us for our States immigration laws? Excuse me? This has gotten completely out of hand. Can we please elect someone who has a spine?

  • Shawnm750 West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 8:52 a.m.

    I'm guessing by "strained relations" these countries really mean: You're making it hard on our governments because we're mostly socialized, and by cracking down on all the citizens leaving our countries, you're costing us more money, and we're losing revenue from the dollars they're sending back home...

    Yeah, I can't say I sympathize too much with these countries.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 8:50 a.m.

    "The DOJ memorandum says 'the U.S. State Department advises that HB497 is likely to interfere with the national government's ability to collaborate with foreign governments on matters of joint concern.'"

    Interpretation: States, please don't pass laws that expose how inept the DOJ and U.S. State Department really are. We just want to get along with everyone and not be offensive. Now please scratch my belly when I roll over on my back.

  • JohnH Cedar City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 8:32 a.m.

    NOT enforcing immigration laws is a threat to MY human and civil rights. Not to be too inflammatory, but why should I obey a government that refuses to enforce its own laws and protect me? (Actually, I do mean to be inflammatory.)

  • JJ1094 Saratoga, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 8:28 a.m.

    It is truly sad that US relations with foreign countries are impacted by sate legislation. It is more sad that the national government fails to perform its fundamental responsibility - common defense. Insecure borders and illegal entry into our nation is a problem that both national governments need to do more to stop.

  • jim l West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 8:21 a.m.

    I wish that it hurt our relations so bad that they sealed the border.

  • SqueakyWheel Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 8:12 a.m.

    The Mexican government is upset because it would make it harder for them to distribute their drugs in the United States.

    I think that instead of sending illegals back, we should send each of them them to the border for a year to help build a better wall, and every time they come back illegally, we ad an additional year to thier wall building punishment. This would serve three purposes, discourage illegal crossings, provide cheap labor to build up the border, and eventually create stronger border protection.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 8:10 a.m.

    Mexico says its not right for us to enforce our immigration laws but it's okay for them to shoot trespassers on their southern border. Go figure.

  • marcamus goochland, va
    Dec. 21, 2011 8:01 a.m.

    The Mexican government is not suing us. They are not a party to the lawsuit. They filed an amicus brief which is merely a brief by an interested person or group who is not a party to the lawsuit. The U.S. government does this all the time in other countries where we believe we have an interest in the outcome of a lawsuit. People please get informed before flying off the handle.

    Also, Mexico is one of our greatest trading partners so we need to be respectful of their right to file amicus briefs just as they allow us to do the same.

    The best enforcement measures we can have are to take away the job carrot through business license and e-verify enforcement. Show me your paper laws ensnare too many legal residents and violate the Constitution. They also can greatly hamper business. Look at Alabama where uninformed local police officers under the color of enforcing immigration arrest and detain German and Japanese executives working for Mercedes and Honda. Future companies will look at these actions and think twice before investing.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 7:47 a.m.

    Mexico is really a country that is an expert on human rights or the lack thereof. I seem to remember that a bunch of U.S. expatriates that owned property in Mexico on a beach where they retired lost their homes when Mexico decided that they couldn't own the property and evicted them. Had I been one of them, I'd have burned my house down.

  • Trooper55 Williams, AZ
    Dec. 21, 2011 7:38 a.m.

    With Mexico and other Latin American counties getting in this court action lawsuit maybe we should start sending them the bills that these ilegallys cost us. I say send them back and if they want to come back do it the legally way. I for one am tried of my tax dollars going to the ilegalls in this country and I don't care if it breaks families up the people who married the ilegalls knew they were here in this country ilegally and maybe even deport them with their families back to the country that they came from.

  • cris Hamilton, IL
    Dec. 21, 2011 7:01 a.m.

    Do we really care if our relations are strained with Mexico? What does Mesico do for the United States? They send their drugs here, there unemployed here, and then they have a problem because we want to secure our borders and take care of our own citizens. Am I missing something?

  • md Cache, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 6:34 a.m.

    Really? The Mexicans are suing us? Really!?

    How many "rights" do we have in Mexico?

  • Meg Portage, MI
    Dec. 21, 2011 6:33 a.m.

    The core issue is not whether we are an independent nation that can make its own immigration policy--the issue is that states are usurping federal responsibilities and meddling in affairs between sovereign countries. The state doesn't have the right to interfere with immigration policy. All those people who wave the constitution ought to read it.
    The solution is not to deport and build a bigger fence. That completely ignores the dependence our society has on immigrant (legal or not) labor. We need to change federal immigration policy to make it easier to come here legally, so the farmers in Georgia can harvest their crops rather than watch them rot because Americans can't/won't do the work.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 6:28 a.m.

    Mexico and the other 13 countries are only interested in two things and they are not civil rights. First their citizens leave their countries so that the involved countries do not have to care for them. Secondly the money sent home by the illegals is a valuable assett to the country of their origin. Mexico has one other interest that is that they hope and have said that the way to get back the southwest territory is through population. If the illegals ever get to vote mexico believes that that vote will return Atzlan to Mexico. Beware of amnesty or anything that slightly resembles amnesty. The U.S. is in great danger if that ever happens.

  • CJ Murray, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 6:04 a.m.

    I guess invading the U.S. is now a "civil right" if you are from Mexico. Do we have the same right to crash into Mexico when we want to? Do those from south of the Mexican border also have the same right? This is so outrageous it is beyond belief.

  • Ali999 Lansing, MI
    Dec. 21, 2011 5:35 a.m.

    TR 4 President wrote:"In the end the only thing that will work is this: make it harder to come here illegally, easier to come here legally, and harder to stay here illegally."
    ------------You know why it's hard to come here legally? Because immigration policy should be for the good of AMERICANS first and foremost and it harms us to add millions of people who compete with American citizens for jobs, drive down wages, and use social services they come nowhere to paying for. Even more legal immigrants we get these days come under family reunification and are not particularly well-educated or skilled, so use far more in services than they'll ever pay in taxes. Moreover, non immigrants (visitors, students, etc.) have an unfortunate tendency to believe that lying to get a non immigrant visa that they then overstay is perfectly acceptable behavior. Were there far fewer visa overstays from some countries, we could afford to be more generous in admitting visitors from those countries.

  • Ali999 Lansing, MI
    Dec. 21, 2011 5:30 a.m.

    TR4President wrtoe:"States do not have the right to legislate on immigration policy, but they do have the right to decide issues related to employment. "
    -------------Funny, isn't it, that the federal government and Mexico aren't going after states that have a sanctuary policy? That is, after all, legislating on immigration policy and moreover, VIOLATING federal law against sanctuary states and localities. If states can't have a policy that reinforces federal law, then how much more illegal is it for states to have policies which violate federal laws?

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 2:45 a.m.

    Illegal immigration has destroyed relations between the countries. Just how much do they think the American public will take?

  • On the other hand Spanish Fork, UT
    Dec. 21, 2011 12:52 a.m.

    @JBrady, those who came here without permission defiled the land long before there was a Statue of Liberty.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Dec. 21, 2011 12:24 a.m.

    Why is a foreign nation that is intent on invading our country allowed access to our courts?
    The Utah law's treatment of Mexican nationals is far more kind that Mexico's laws regarding people who enter their country illegally. The hypocrisy is unbelievable.

    The constitution of the US requires the federal government to defend the states against invasion upon request from the chief executive of that state. Mexico is clearly invading Arizona, California, New Mexico and even Utah. Our federal government is in violation of the constitution when it comes to immigration.

    Obama should be impeached over this alone.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Dec. 20, 2011 10:23 p.m.

    Well this will make Americans feel good good about these countries. I guess they are not aware that we have immigration laws, and there are right ways to do things. Our Statue of Liberty has been defiled by those who come here without permission, and those that help and encourage them.

    Dec. 20, 2011 10:05 p.m.

    There is nothing uncivil or inhuman about enforcing illegal immigration. When other countries think they have a right to tell us how to run our country or state, things have gone to far.

  • TR 4 President SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 9:29 p.m.

    If this law gets thrown out (which I suspect it might) here is my suggestion:

    States do not have the right to legislate on immigration policy, but they do have the right to decide issues related to employment. Fines (ranging from moderate to extremely punitive) and even revocation of business license for U.S. Citizens who illegally employe undocumented workers would be more cost effective (even revenue positive), more free market, and even more humane (not deporting families, only strongly encouraging them to move if they cannot get a work permit).

    In the end the only thing that will work is this: make it harder to come here illegally, easier to come here legally, and harder to stay here illegally.

  • GoGetter Sandy, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 9:00 p.m.

    "Utah's new immigration enforcement law "threatens the human and civil rights" of Mexican nationals, attorneys for the government of Mexico wrote in a friend of the court brief filed in U.S. District Court in conjunction with a lawsuit that challenges the law's constitutionality."

    Ok.. since WHEN does Mexico even have any right to get in our business? They are a different country. WHY/HOW can they even try to sue??

    This political correctness stuff is getting out of hand...

    I'm just wondering why our political leaders even listen to this and LET them file stuff in a US court about this. They are a different country and have no business suing us!!!

  • Bearone Monroe, UT
    Dec. 20, 2011 8:34 p.m.

    Dear states:

    We can not do our job to control immigration, but we prohibit you from trying to do the job!! That would make us look foolish!

    The Federal Government

    No wonder this country is in such a mess!