The top three income sources for Mexico are tourism, remittances and oil. And
we are by far their best customers in all three categories.They get the
most Green Cards we issue. They supply the most illegal aliens.When are
our leaders going to stop this nonsense?Americans long ago figured out
that the tail is wagging the dog here.The Mexican government should have
no voice in our laws. None.
The current administration really needs the illegals! Vote early, vote often is
the Chicago Way!
@John Randolph:"Would the Mexican undocumented come or stay
here if they could make a comparable living wage and have comparable social
services living and working safely at home with their families?"There are millions of folks around the world who are in the same situation you
describe. We can't take them all. So, we've set up a methodology for people to
come in and to become citizens. Crossing the border illegally or overstaying a
visa is not some of those methods. Getting in line and obeying our laws is the
way to do it.Matter of fact, illegals here regardless of method
should be denied citizenship... forever. In my opinion, they shouldn't even be
able to qualify if they go home and get in line.@patriot:"Actually, 'amnesty for illegals' is all part of the 'hope n change' that
Barack tried (and keeps trying) to ram down our throats."Obama
has relatives who are here illegally (as reported in the DNews). Maybe that't
why he's soft on illegals.@Liberal Ted:"I would
like to see the State of Utah sue Mexico..."Good point. We
should track costs incurred on illegals and send Mexico the bill.
@sportsfan21 You don't think that the men of valor who have
sacrificed their lives for this country haven't EARNED the freedoms that you and
I enjoy today? You think that anyone in this country has a right to willingly
surrender the sovereignty of the U.S., and the freedoms that go with it, to
those who would steal them from us, without a fight? They do not.
Go on, keep rationalizing, sportfan21. Bank robbers want much the
same thing that you say illegal aliens do, and rob banks for much the same
reason that illegal aliens embark on careers of lying, cheating, and stealing in
this country, as a way of life. And what is your point regarding
"treason against England?" Is it that England's tyranny, at the time,
is somehow analogous to the GOD-ORDAINED United States Constitution? Is it that
illegal foreign nationals in this country -- who demonstrate such pure contempt
for the U.S., its borders, its sovereignty, its laws, AND its Constitution --
somehow are analogous to the pilgrims who came to the New World seeking
religious freedom?And HOW DARE YOU falsely imply that I am
characterizing these illegals inhumanely, or as animals.
To Mexico and other Latin countries:Perhaps instead of wasting time
and resources complaining against policies in US courts, you could use the time,
personnel, expertise, and resources in addressing your own issues and
corruption--the reasons your people feel the need to leave and come to the US in
the first place. Fix your own lawlessness and problems, and your
citizens wouldn't be trying so hard to leave and find safety and opportunity
Tators - 1 - I understand the difference and illegal aliens have
civil rights guaranteed them by the Constitution (see mine/VST's posts). You
have access to the internet, I would suggest doing a bit of research before
spouting off like that next time. It'll help you avoid looking foolish. 2 - Apologies for the confusion, I was referring to illegal aliens
affecting overcrowding. CA certainly has overcrowded prisons, largely due to 3
strikes (mostly repeat drug possession) but I have not seen any information that
illegals contribute substantially to overcrowding in US prisons. Can you please
provide sources?3 - First, income withholdings aren't the only way
one pays taxes. Second, you expect me to believe a bunch of undocumented
workers w/ no SS#s hang out at H&R Block? Your story is fraught w/ holes,
does it have a point? Third, there is plenty of information out there about
undocumented workers paying taxes. VST - I appreciate the response
. Note Yick Wo was the plaintiff b/c most involved were illegal and afraid of
filing suit. Plyer is certainly better but I chose Yick Wo b/c it was the most
longstanding case on the subject that I know of.
Dear Anti-Liar,No I wouldn't give my car or house to them, but
that's because I earned those things when given the opportunity. Don't mistake
me for one who calls for amnesty. I understand that the US can't accept everyone
who wants to come. But the inhumane characterization of illegals as animals has
to stop. Yes they are breaking a law, but when we look at they're logic they are
not evil people. They want to have a job, get an education for their kids, and
be happy. These are the same things that our Founding Fathers wanted and they
committed treason against England to get it. At Christmas time
especially, we should all be humane enough to look at ourselves and think
"We're so blessed, I wish that others could have this kind of happiness and
I'm saddened that it's not possible for everyone have it."We
always have to find something to be unhappy about. Can't we look at the
positives? Most of us have a warm home, food, healthcare, education, and access
to more information than any civilization in history.
The sory reads: "Utah's new immigration enforcement law "threatens the
human and civil rights" of Mexican nationals..."Duh! But
it does not threaten the human and civil rights of, say the citizens of
Kazahstan, right? Or the Eskimos? I suppose next largest group this law is
targeting is Mexican nationals.
@sportsfan21And your implication that foreign nationals have a right
to invade this country without permission and take that to which they are not
entitled, is false. It is not an issue of anyone thinking that they
are "better" or "more deserving."But since you
think that it is, and since you certainly are not guilty of thinking that you
are better or more deserving, why don't you just surrender your house and your
car to an illegal alien -- the same way you are suggesting that Americans should
surrender the sovereignty of this country to them. That's right, just hand over
the keys. After all: you don't believe that you are more deserving of these
things than they are -- do you?So how about it. After all, it is
the "compassionate" thing to do -- right?@Immifriend Contrary to your implication, it is NOT humane to surrender the
birthright of America's children to illegal foreign invaders. "Equal
treatment?" How about giving persons from other countries a chance,
instead of giving illegal aliens from ONE country (guess which one) preferential
treatment? Aren't you interested in being "humane" with the rest of
humanity around the world who would like to emigrate?
I would like to see the State of Utah sue Mexico and other nations for allowing
their people to flee to our country, for allowing their countries to become soo
horrible that their own people do not wish to live there, and for allowing their
residents to use and abuse our healthcare system and generosity.Let's recoup the total cost that we have spent on these people. They have
violated my human rights and my rights as a US citizen. They have committed
crimes, stolen id's, taken away jobs, lowered our standard of living and have
forced their language on us.Time to turn things around.
To Stalwart Sentinel (your name itself seems to be a misnomer):1)
Please learn the difference between civil rights and human rights. Civil rights
are used in context to refer to citizen's rights... those who are in a country
legally. Human rights are the basic rights that apply to everyone, regardless of
citizenship. You seem to often confuse the two.2) It appears it is you who
should do more research regarding how full many of the prisons are in this
country. Many states have prison overcrowding and need to build additional
prisons, but can't currently afford to with the economy as it is. Your state,
California, especially has a problem. It is documented that many convicts serve
only part of their sentences and are released early due to overcrowding. It's a
fact. It's also a documented fact that illegal aliens contribute substantially
to the overcrowding problem. 3) Many illegals are paid under-the-table
cash as discounted wages, allowing them to not pay taxes. An H&R Block
employee recently told me many apparent illegals (no SS #) leave frustrated when
finding out they then are not entitled to any tax refunds, without first paying
taxes. Go figure!
Give them their rights and deport them civilly and humanely. The
open attack on the American worker, by these thirteen countries through
encouragement of illegal immigration, and fighting our enforcement, tells us
they have no regard for our country, except as an escape valve for their social
services and to maintain money sent home. Send your congressmen an
email and have them stop foreign aide to these countries, to help pay for their
illegal citizens here.
To Patriot - Most of the things you mentioned are not rights, rather benefits.
Nonetheless, I see that you amended your original statement from "civil
rights apply to legal citizens of the US and not to illegals" to "full
civil rights." That is somewhat more accurate so I am glad you've learned
something today. Furthermore, if you don't think illegal immigrants pay taxes,
please do some research on that and get on the correct side of the argument.
Also, if last you checked, the prisons and hospitals were overflowing, you
should check again. That is a patently false statement. Please, use resources
available to you to learn for yourself. Finally, as an aside, I think your
caps lock sticks from time to time. You might want to get that checked out.
To VST - Those rights absolutely extend to anyone in the US,
regardless of legal status. I honestly appreciate you looking into the case but
whichever recitation you read left out some vital information. Yick Wo was a
resident alien but was one of many Chinese laundromat owners detained. Many of
the others were here illegally but also ordered released. The justices
intentionally applied this to all, please reread it.
To prevent law enforcement and/or Immigration from knowing whether these people
are here illegally or not, doesn't make sense. The fact that politicans want
the "secret" kept, speak volumes. And because they've broken the law
to come here, in my opinion, they have no rights to protection under our
@Happy Valley Heretic: "What a bunch of xenophobes and
racists."And what a liar."Because someone
isn't from America they lose their human rights?"They do not
have a right to lie, cheat, and steal.@John Randolph:The
notion that illegal immigration is only a symptom, but not the problem, is like
the psychobabble that says that cheating on one's spouse is merely a symptom,
but not the cardinal sin that it is in itself.@SittingReading:Your point is specious. ALL laws invite profiling. ALL laws invite
abuse. Based on your logic, we should get rid of all laws. But the
notion that racial profiling in itself is absolute taboo is absolute rubbish.
The U.S. Supreme Court already has ruled that because the chances of a Latino in
this country being illegal is so extremely high, it is NOT unreasonable to take
this into account ALONG WITH other pertinent factors. If Latinos don't like
that, then they should do something to rectify the poor reputation that their
culture, as a whole, has earned because of the disrespect and contempt that so
many of their brethren show for this country and its laws.
Our legislators swear to uphold the U.S. Constitution when they are sworn in.
Perhaps they should read Article VI. Immigration is a Federal issue; however, I
agree that the state can (and, indeed, should) regulate employment and benefits,
as that is most definitely not within the Federal Constitution and thus left to
the states under Amendment X.
@sportsfan21 - I guess you don't believe in borders? Does 'life, liberty, and
the pursuit of happiness' mean you are not required to follow laws? I don't
think I said I 'hated' anyone. Your comments are 'hateful', I can't believe the
DN censors allowed the post.
It is a violation of Article 55 of the Vienna Convention for a foreign
government to interfere in domestic legislative action.Where are our
leaders? Why are they not speaking out against Mexico for repeated involvement
in OUR politics?
All people have civil rights. We err by ruling out those from other countries.
All people should be treated equal, even those born elsewhere. Poverty should
not prevent a person from becoming an American, but rather we should open up to
the poor from other nations. It is not outrageous, as some have suggested, to
treat these people as we would treat ourselves. Not at all. It is humane, and it
is different than foreigners are treated in some other countries, but this is
America, and America can hold to a higher standard of decency.
What hypocrisy. All we need to know is how Mexico treats undocumented
immigrants in MEXICO. Also, Mexico's record of mistreating U.S. citizens
legally in Mexico for minor violations is absolutely appalling. Foreigners in
Mexico have NO civil rights.
sportsfan21: peoples parents who came here legally earned citizenship for their
children. Where does it say that profiling takes away civil rights?
We do it every day at the airports and up to 100 miles from the border. The arguments to justify criminal activity have to stop. They are
breaking the law and need to be punished accordingly. If the Feds won't do it,
then states must. The public knows what needs to be done, and the helpless
feeling of watching your government break it's own laws mandates action
This would not be happening if our politician's did not stand side by side with
these type of people. You see pictures of our Attorney General waving the
Mexican Flag and it makes you ill. Why do they think they should gain entrance
into the United States and leave the rest of the world out? As a nation we help
all not just a few select countries who think that America belongs to them. It
does not belong to them and our politician's in Utah need to quit playing with
their emotions and promising them things that break our Constitution and make it
bad for the US citizen. This is beyond comprehension that our Politician's feel
the need to pit another nation against the American.
re:BearoneActually, "amnesty for illegals" is all part of
the "hope n change" that Barack tried (and keeps trying) to ram down
our throats. You see, amnesty equates to votes for 2012.
re:Stalwart SentinelLast time I checked it was ILLEGAL to hire an
ILLEGAL immigrant without a lawful work visa. Last time I checked it was ILLEGAL
for an ILLEGAL immigrant to vote. Last time I checked it was ILLEGAL for an
ILLEGAL immigrant to stay in the US beyond his work visa. Last time I checked
our jails ,prisons and emergency rooms are FULL and overflowing with ILLEGAL
immigrants that legal US citizens have to pay for because after all ILLEGAL
immigrants DON'T pay taxes ...but they are more than happy to enjoy the benefits
of those taxes paid for by LEGAL US citizens. Equal protections DOES NOT IMPLY
equal benefits!!!! Welfare state people such as yourself are more than happy to
welcome illegals into your state until your state goes BANKRUPT like California!
Show me in the US constitution where the US was intended to be an open border
sanctuary state. So as I said before - if Mexican citizens want to have full
civil rights then they need to OBEY THE LAWS of the US and obtain a green card
like millions of LEGAL HISPANIC AMERICANS already have!!
What the heck do these Latin American countries think they're doing meddling in
purely internal matters within the State of Utah.They are calling
our law "unconstitutional!" Since when have we let outsiders tell us
what is or is not within the realm of our authority? It's bad enough
that our own federal government is suing us (which is mind boggling) for doing
what is clearly within our rights as a state.But to have the court allow
such intervention by foreign entities is appalling to say the least.They, along with the feds, should be told by the State of Utah to "take a
hike" and let us manage our own affairs.
Woodyff,The first few lines in the Declaration of Independence our
Founders wrote: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
It's obvious to anyone that knows anything about American History
that the Fathers didn't say we had these rights because we are better than
everyone else, they believed these rights were God-given and that NO GOVERNMENT
could take them away. What have you done to deserve these rights
that Mexican or European or Asian people haven't? Unless you're a Soldier,
nothing. We all know that the real reason we hate illegal immigrants is because
we hate paying higher taxes and would rather buy iPods or PS3s. Show some
compassion and stop acting like you've earned the freedom we're lucky to have.
NAFTA (1996) was suppose to end illegal immigration from Mexico. That was one of
the big selling points to the American people. Mexico has not lived up to it's
side of the deal. We should be upset with them. It's time to copy
the part of Alabama's law that was cleared by Federal court. We need to make it
illegal for a illegal alien to do business with the state. It makes it very
difficult to stay here, and creates a humane self deportation. It also does not
interfere with Federal law. Between it and e-verify and pulling business
licenses (approved by the Supreme court) it will do the job until our Federal
government has changes made.
The Constitution was written for citizens of the United States of America. And
the last I checked Mexico was not one of the states. States have always
enforced Federal laws - why should immigration be different?
@Meg:"The state doesn't have the right to interfere with
immigration policy."The only authority the federal government
has, related to immigration, is to '...establish a uniform rule of
naturalization' (US Constitution, Article 1.8.4) This has been done. It says
nothing about apprehending/deporting illegals crossing the border.Furthermore, illegals who come here must live in one of the 50 states. It
would seem that the State Governments (law enforcement) would have the
responsibility to see that every person living within its borders are obeying
not only state but federal laws including immigration laws. It seems obvious
that the federal government does not have the manpower to handle all 15 million
illegals now living here. All they have is ICE and Homeland Security manpower.
The reasonable solution is to empower all 50 states' law enforcement to help
with the job. We will never see a resolution if only the federal government is
involved. Especially with guys like Obama and AG Holder in charge who see
alotta Hispanic votes they can garnish through lackadaisical and half-hearted
enforcement. We are witnessing, as we speak, a bloodless invasion of this
country by our neighbors to the south.
Patriot - More than 100 years of Supreme Court rulings prove you are wrong, flat
out wrong. Enlighten yourself by reading Yick Wo v. Hopkins, then apologize to
us for wasting our time in claiming illegals aren't afforded equal protection
(ie civil rights) under the 14th Amendment, and then go tell your similarly
ill-informed friends so you all can redirect your misplaced anger somewhere else
b/c the "blame undocumented migrant workers for the ills of a down economy
brought about by a housing bubble and unregulated lending practices"
argument doesn't fly. Find another scapegoat.
There is no recognized human right that lets people enter a foreign country
without permission. There is the recognized human right that citizens must be
allowed back in their home country. That, I don't think, is what the Mexicans
are upset about. Foreigners are in the US at our sufferance.
Instead of being able to have trial after trial to stay in the US, they should
be required to give a pretty good defense as to why they should be allowed to
stay. The default should be to ship illegals to their home countries. It is high time Utah required eVerify for all Utah businesses,
regardless of the number of employees. Then, if illegals are knowingly hired,
the businesses should be heavily fined and ultimately closed, if they continue
to do so. Take away at least one reason for illegals to come and stay here.
civil rights apply to LEGAL CITIZENS of the US and NOT to illegals!! If Mexican
citizens want civil rights in the US then perhaps they need to OBEY the laws of
the US and EARN A GREEN CARD! Holy cow- enough already!!
It amazes me that other countries threaten us with poor diplomatic relations if
we dont look the other way while their citizins invade our country. On top of
that, those illegal immigrants actually march in protest demanding that they
have a right to stay in our country. Ombama supports this group (for
political purposes) by basically declaring war on states that try to inforce our
current law. Arizona, Alabama, Utah and WA State are being sued by the
government accusing them of discrimination because they arrest more Latino's
than they do other minorities. It has to be race profiling they say. Well, when
90% of the illegals are Mexican or 90% of terrorists are Muslim men then I would
think it is only logical that those groups are viewed more closely. Pretending
that you dont even consider race is simply political correctness.With regard to overall immigration reform, I think we should adopt laws
similar to Canada. they look at what skill and benefit an immigrant brings to
the country before they come in. That includes common farm labor that no one
else wants to do. We should do that at the require all jobs be verified.
@ SittingReadingSo what's your answer. You seem willing to point
out a problem, but don't give a solution. If you don't have one, then don't
criticize the people/states that are at least trying to solve the problem.P.S. In answer to your first point, maybe all arrested people should be
checked for citizenship, then the racial profiling card can't be played. Now that's an answer to part of the problem you cite.
As much as i agree with the Utah bill, i actually can see where the DOJ is
coming from. This bill encourages racial profiling plane and simple. If a
white man is arrested and thrown in jail, we all know he will not have his
immigration status checked, regardless of his English skills. In reverse, a
Hispanic man who might speak perfect English will be checked.Not
only is this racial profiling, it really is a waste of our tax paying dollars
because it doesn't solve the problem. Do we honestly think that this will stop
illegals from entering our state? Will this stop those who employee them? Of
course not.The law is really pointless and was, like Arizona's, a
knee jerk response from the states in an attempt to pretend to actually solve
the problem. We as citizen's should be demanding an actual solution, not come
to the defense of paper dragons.
We really need our citizens to illegally immigrate to your country and send
money back home.
According to one website the feds take 1,100 million of our tax dollars and give
it to nations south of the Border. In addition there are an estimated 15 +
million individuals that have come to this country illegally costing an
estimated 330 Billion Dollars.Now Congress is arguing regarding a
tax increase in 2012 so they can pay for all this excess. In addition we spend
other billions on welfare, jobs, health care, etc..Big brother is
handing out so much he may go broke. When will these people wake up? I say
vote them all out and I mean all!!!
As a retired US Border Patrol/INS/ICE agent who has witnessed the death of not
only two co-workers, but the death of migrants too, I ask people who are so
angry about immigration to consider the possibility that the undocumented are
really a symptom of a much larger and insidious problem, and not the cause of
that problem. May I ask you two questions about the Mexican
undocumented? I focus upon the Mexican undocumented because they are our direct
neighbors and make up almost 50% of the total amount of undocumented present in
the US. (1) Would the Mexican undocumented come or stay here if
they could make a comparable living wage and have comparable social services
living and working safely at home with their families?(2) Why do we
seldom if ever hear US politicians criticize the corrupt Mexican government for
its contribution to, and its responsibility for illegal Mexican immigration to
the US? The problem is much more insidious than you or your
politicians would like to believe. It is about greed, trade, oil, drug profits,
arms sales, remittances, and cheap labor. Over 40K people killed in
the US backed Mexican drug war. Why?
What a bunch of xenophobes and racists. Because someone isn't from America
they lose their human rights?Not constitutional rights granted to
Americans, just the rights granted by the God so many of you pretend to
admire and speak for.Gotta love all those who would enact laws from
governments they detest in order to justify treating other people poorly.
By the way, if you travel to Mexico as I do occasionally, you have to carry with
you at all times a passport and a Visa or a vacation pass. I forget what it is
called. They always give them to you on the airplane to fill out. Mexico has
very stringent immigration laws. Why do they think we should not enforce ours?
Why do we even have laws if they are not enforced. This whole
immigration thing is all political and everyone knows it. People don't
immigrate to this country because of the landscape. They immigrate here BECAUSE
of our laws and our Constitution. Mexico has as many natural resources as we do.
It is just their government that is messed up.
Why has Mexico filed suit against every US state that has attempted to protect
it's citizens from the US Governmnets's failed immigration enforcement?Simple:Next to oil imports, what is primary souce of foreign funds
for Mexico:Money sent to Mexico from the US by their citizens.
The Federal immigration policy in a nutshell is deciding who receives
visas/citizenship and who does not. The states checking immigration status does
not in any way infringe on the immigration policy of the federal government. It
is no different than checking for outstanding warrants. Arresting, holding, and
finally deporting illegal aliens does not infringe on the immigration policy of
the federal government. It is simply enforcing the law, existing law, existing
Americans and illegals are "drunk" on "rights". Let's talk
less about "rights" and more about "responsibility".We owe $15 Trillion, folks. We have 9% unemployment of LEGAL AMERICANS!
Social Security and Medicare are bankrupt. We can't provide housing, health
care and money to illegal immigrants.IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HATE,
PEOPLE!! I'm so tired of that...ENOUGH!We can sustain our social
services by taking on the population of MEXICO! It's not personal.
The best thing anyone can do as LEGAL RESIDENTS of Utah is to contact your
elected state representatives and tell them how you feel.Things like
e-verify being implemented statewide would help.eliminating the
"drivers privilage card" would help.Eliminating ANY state
money being used to give instruction, or to print ANYTHING in other languages
would help.These are just a few things that you need to convince
your state legislator to consider. It would help if people like
Herbert and Shurtleff would step up to the plate and LEAD on trying to stem the
tide of illegal trespassing, but, sadly, I don't think they have any intention
whatsoever to do that!
"... the U.S. State Department advises that HB497 is likely to interfere
with the national government's ability to collaborate with foreign governments
on matters of joint concern."The Utah, Arizona, etc., laws do
not interfer with the national government's ability... In fact those state laws
help the fed do it's job. What the DOJ and Obama are saying is, don't fiddle
with our ability to garner Hispanic votes for the upcoming presidential
Not to mention that a Huge part of the U.S. drug problem is centered on what is
coming across that southern border. Also there are few if any more evil and
ruthless people on the planet than the narco-drug gangs that run the operation.
Some of you may be worrying about the human rights aspect from the illegal side.
But you should focus your attention on the damage done on the U.S. side. The
drug problem destroys the lives and families of many citizens from San Jose, CA
to Portage, MI. When we fail to enforce our borders we are allowing terriorists
to invade and attack it with drugs as surely as if Al Qaeda were doing it with
We have an ethical and legal responsibility to enforce immigration laws.
Nothing comes free...even in America.The Titanic sank leaving some
in boats and thousands without. Do you row an already filled boat over to
rescue more that will only drown the entire?
"Utah's new immigration enforcement law threatens the human and civil
rights of Mexican nationals..."If they think their rights are
threatened, just go home.
2 points to all the vitriolic commentary - 1) The Mexican
government filed an amicus brief, they are not suing us and are not a party to
the suit. Please, stop reacting foolishly and try to understand the situation
for what it is. 2) Humans, even undocumented ones, have many rights
per the 14th Amendment. This has been litigated and your side lost. For
prideful Americans, none of you seem to have ever attempted to understand the
Constitution of this great nation. You're full of anger and hate but no
I agree.... we need the same immigration laws that MEXICO has......Arrest and
throw in jail, anyone who is not a citizen of the USA!
these latin american countries care nothing about the rights of their citizens
who are here illegally - they only care about the possible threat to a major
source of US currency.I fail to see how determining the immigration
status of an arrestee is interfering with foreign relations.
Time to enforce currant immigration laws and send the illegals home. All of
them (not just the ones who who murder and rob banks).
If they are here illegally they have no rights here.
You know, twice we have invaded Mexico and twice we have given it back. So now
they are suing us for our States immigration laws? Excuse me? This has gotten
completely out of hand. Can we please elect someone who has a spine?
I'm guessing by "strained relations" these countries really mean:
You're making it hard on our governments because we're mostly socialized, and by
cracking down on all the citizens leaving our countries, you're costing us more
money, and we're losing revenue from the dollars they're sending back home...Yeah, I can't say I sympathize too much with these countries.
"The DOJ memorandum says 'the U.S. State Department advises that HB497 is
likely to interfere with the national government's ability to collaborate with
foreign governments on matters of joint concern.'"Interpretation: States, please don't pass laws that expose how inept the DOJ
and U.S. State Department really are. We just want to get along with everyone
and not be offensive. Now please scratch my belly when I roll over on my back.
NOT enforcing immigration laws is a threat to MY human and civil rights. Not to
be too inflammatory, but why should I obey a government that refuses to enforce
its own laws and protect me? (Actually, I do mean to be inflammatory.)
It is truly sad that US relations with foreign countries are impacted by sate
legislation. It is more sad that the national government fails to perform its
fundamental responsibility - common defense. Insecure borders and illegal entry
into our nation is a problem that both national governments need to do more to
I wish that it hurt our relations so bad that they sealed the border.
The Mexican government is upset because it would make it harder for them to
distribute their drugs in the United States. I think that instead of
sending illegals back, we should send each of them them to the border for a year
to help build a better wall, and every time they come back illegally, we ad an
additional year to thier wall building punishment. This would serve three
purposes, discourage illegal crossings, provide cheap labor to build up the
border, and eventually create stronger border protection.
Mexico says its not right for us to enforce our immigration laws but it's okay
for them to shoot trespassers on their southern border. Go figure.
The Mexican government is not suing us. They are not a party to the lawsuit.
They filed an amicus brief which is merely a brief by an interested person or
group who is not a party to the lawsuit. The U.S. government does this all the
time in other countries where we believe we have an interest in the outcome of a
lawsuit. People please get informed before flying off the handle.Also, Mexico is one of our greatest trading partners so we need to be
respectful of their right to file amicus briefs just as they allow us to do the
same.The best enforcement measures we can have are to take away the
job carrot through business license and e-verify enforcement. Show me your
paper laws ensnare too many legal residents and violate the Constitution. They
also can greatly hamper business. Look at Alabama where uninformed local police
officers under the color of enforcing immigration arrest and detain German and
Japanese executives working for Mercedes and Honda. Future companies will look
at these actions and think twice before investing.
Mexico is really a country that is an expert on human rights or the lack
thereof. I seem to remember that a bunch of U.S. expatriates that owned
property in Mexico on a beach where they retired lost their homes when Mexico
decided that they couldn't own the property and evicted them. Had I been one of
them, I'd have burned my house down.
With Mexico and other Latin American counties getting in this court action
lawsuit maybe we should start sending them the bills that these ilegallys cost
us. I say send them back and if they want to come back do it the legally way. I
for one am tried of my tax dollars going to the ilegalls in this country and I
don't care if it breaks families up the people who married the ilegalls knew
they were here in this country ilegally and maybe even deport them with their
families back to the country that they came from.
Do we really care if our relations are strained with Mexico? What does Mesico do
for the United States? They send their drugs here, there unemployed here, and
then they have a problem because we want to secure our borders and take care of
our own citizens. Am I missing something?
Really? The Mexicans are suing us? Really!?How many
"rights" do we have in Mexico?
The core issue is not whether we are an independent nation that can make its own
immigration policy--the issue is that states are usurping federal
responsibilities and meddling in affairs between sovereign countries. The state
doesn't have the right to interfere with immigration policy. All those people
who wave the constitution ought to read it.The solution is not to deport
and build a bigger fence. That completely ignores the dependence our society
has on immigrant (legal or not) labor. We need to change federal immigration
policy to make it easier to come here legally, so the farmers in Georgia can
harvest their crops rather than watch them rot because Americans can't/won't do
Mexico and the other 13 countries are only interested in two things and they are
not civil rights. First their citizens leave their countries so that the
involved countries do not have to care for them. Secondly the money sent home by
the illegals is a valuable assett to the country of their origin. Mexico has one
other interest that is that they hope and have said that the way to get back the
southwest territory is through population. If the illegals ever get to vote
mexico believes that that vote will return Atzlan to Mexico. Beware of amnesty
or anything that slightly resembles amnesty. The U.S. is in great danger if that
I guess invading the U.S. is now a "civil right" if you are from
Mexico. Do we have the same right to crash into Mexico when we want to? Do those
from south of the Mexican border also have the same right? This is so outrageous
it is beyond belief.
TR 4 President wrote:"In the end the only thing that will work is this:
make it harder to come here illegally, easier to come here legally, and harder
to stay here illegally."------------You know why it's hard to come
here legally? Because immigration policy should be for the good of AMERICANS
first and foremost and it harms us to add millions of people who compete with
American citizens for jobs, drive down wages, and use social services they come
nowhere to paying for. Even more legal immigrants we get these days come under
family reunification and are not particularly well-educated or skilled, so use
far more in services than they'll ever pay in taxes. Moreover, non immigrants
(visitors, students, etc.) have an unfortunate tendency to believe that lying to
get a non immigrant visa that they then overstay is perfectly acceptable
behavior. Were there far fewer visa overstays from some countries, we could
afford to be more generous in admitting visitors from those countries.
TR4President wrtoe:"States do not have the right to legislate on
immigration policy, but they do have the right to decide issues related to
employment. "-------------Funny, isn't it, that the federal
government and Mexico aren't going after states that have a sanctuary policy?
That is, after all, legislating on immigration policy and moreover, VIOLATING
federal law against sanctuary states and localities. If states can't have a
policy that reinforces federal law, then how much more illegal is it for states
to have policies which violate federal laws?
Illegal immigration has destroyed relations between the countries. Just how much
do they think the American public will take?
@JBrady, those who came here without permission defiled the land long before
there was a Statue of Liberty.
Why is a foreign nation that is intent on invading our country allowed access to
our courts?The Utah law's treatment of Mexican nationals is far more kind
that Mexico's laws regarding people who enter their country illegally. The
hypocrisy is unbelievable.The constitution of the US requires the
federal government to defend the states against invasion upon request from the
chief executive of that state. Mexico is clearly invading Arizona, California,
New Mexico and even Utah. Our federal government is in violation of the
constitution when it comes to immigration.Obama should be impeached
over this alone.
Well this will make Americans feel good good about these countries. I guess they
are not aware that we have immigration laws, and there are right ways to do
things. Our Statue of Liberty has been defiled by those who come here without
permission, and those that help and encourage them.
There is nothing uncivil or inhuman about enforcing illegal immigration. When
other countries think they have a right to tell us how to run our country or
state, things have gone to far.
If this law gets thrown out (which I suspect it might) here is my suggestion:States do not have the right to legislate on immigration policy, but
they do have the right to decide issues related to employment. Fines (ranging
from moderate to extremely punitive) and even revocation of business license for
U.S. Citizens who illegally employe undocumented workers would be more cost
effective (even revenue positive), more free market, and even more humane (not
deporting families, only strongly encouraging them to move if they cannot get a
work permit).In the end the only thing that will work is this: make
it harder to come here illegally, easier to come here legally, and harder to
stay here illegally.
"Utah's new immigration enforcement law "threatens the human and civil
rights" of Mexican nationals, attorneys for the government of Mexico wrote
in a friend of the court brief filed in U.S. District Court in conjunction with
a lawsuit that challenges the law's constitutionality."Ok..
since WHEN does Mexico even have any right to get in our business? They are a
different country. WHY/HOW can they even try to sue??This political
correctness stuff is getting out of hand... I'm just wondering why
our political leaders even listen to this and LET them file stuff in a US court
about this. They are a different country and have no business suing us!!!
Dear states:We can not do our job to control immigration, but we
prohibit you from trying to do the job!! That would make us look foolish!Signed,The Federal GovernmentNo wonder this country is
in such a mess!