Not sure if my last post went through. Positives- Favors, Kanter,
Burks, Hayward, Evansnegatives- CJ, Raja, Memo, JeffersonJefferson is a black hole that does not play defense. Harris is a back up,
and turns the ball over too often, and is not a great shooter. Millsap is good,
but should be a 6th man, Favors has way more upside, and defense. I am still
excited about Josh Howard. It was a low risk deal, and if he does well, maybe
he stays on. At least signing him can add some depth and take some pressure off
the young guys and be a little insurance on the roster. Watson is a decent back
up.With the right situation I would not mind seeing Jefferson,
Harris, or Millsap traded. I love Millsap, but emotions aside, Favors is much
more valuable to have, and if Millsap will not embrace a role off the bench,
trade him. Please bury Raja and CJ at the end of the bench and only use Memo if
I saw a lot of positives-Favors, Kanter, Burks, Hayward, Evans. Al
Jefferson is a black hole and plays awful defense, even worse than Boozer. Bell
is too old. Miles is streaky and has even worse defense than Jefferson. Devin
Harris is a backup not a starter, and they should trade him if the opportunity
presents itself since he will bolt to Dallas when he becomes a free agent
anyway. Millsap is a stud, but should come off the bench. He is undersized in
this league, and Favors has way more upside, not to mention good defense. I
like the youth, I say anyone else on the roster should be on the trading block
if the right opportunity comes. But please, put Raja and CJ at the end of the
bench, and Memo for that matter.
corbin should just play the players who are actually good...CJ is probably the
best...practice player we have...start him during practice sessions...then dump
him in the bench game time...i hope corbin started the lineup that we had at the
end of last year...Harris Hayward Millsap Favors Jefferson2nd team should beWatsonHowardEvansKanterMemo
Man in Charge, Portland also drafted Drexler, and was also beat by
MJ 23 in the Finals in the 90's.
Johnson72"Portland has 1 Championship"Back
from when the NBA was a 9 team league. Portland could've gotten more but they
drafted Bowie over Michael Jordan and Oden over Durant. Now they are stuck try
to steal players from the Jazz because they can't develop the players they have.
They need another team to do it.
Some additional thoughts regarding last night:* There's reason to get
excited about our youth!* Okur looked mobile, was active, and played
within the offense.* Evans can be valuable on the floor, as long as we're
playing a shooter at 2.* AJ may not be coachable; is he good enough at the
4 to let him dictate?* Wish I could have seen Tinsley run the team for 5-8
minutes.* Josh Howard is still always open.
Looks to me we are picking up right where we left off.* CJ looks lost away
from the ball* Raja a step slow on defense* AJ is a black hole on
offense* The youth (Hayward, Favors, Kanter) earning more playing timeI guess Ty Corbin wants to reinvent the wheel this season. Instead,
we're killing ourselves by proving to the rest of the league CJ and Raja have no
@Portland Trail BlazersCalm down son, it's just a preseason game. Trolling
Utah Jazz and Utah Utes articles? That's pathetic. Can't wait for the Bulls to
smack around the Trail Blazers when they go play in Chicago. Why is Okur still
taking up roster space? These next few Jazz seasons are going to be tough but
they won't stay down forever.
Same old Jazz. It won't matter what they do with this team, they are not going
anywhere. There will be a lot more of this in the year to come. Hey maybe we'll
go work on winning the lottery and bring in some more unproven talent. No one
worth anything wants to play in Utah and we can never trade to get them to come.
Face it, we are just going to be one of the leagues punching bags. Sure glad I
never fell for season tickets.
I watched the game and don't listen to what others say about it. It seems to me
that the problem with the Jazz are the older players. They put us in a hole and
Corbin had no choice but to put in the younger players. The Jazz brass must
realize that players like Okur have had their time and now should give way to
the newer generation. We will not be a competitive team until we bring in
younger and more athletic players. Favors should be the starter, not come off
the bench. The younger players will only get better. The older players like
Jefferson, Okur, Harris, and Bell will only get worse and need to be replaced.
Losing is probably going to be something we need to learn how to deal with, at
least for this yr but I think by the end of the year these young guns will be
playing much better. Favors looked good but still has alot of leaning and
improving to do, Hayward looked pretty good , just didn't hit his shots , he
does need to be on the floor though, he plays smart and sees the floor and makes
his teammates better. Burks looked good in spurts, has alot to learn but showed
good athleticism and good skill set. Kanter looked scared and lost alot of the
time but still played hard and was very good on the boards. Evans looked good
and needs more PT, These young studs and one or two more in this next draft
should provide a very good group of players to build a strong team to challenge
OK city in the future. I have tried to stay positive about CJ (and I still hope
he proves consistent) but I thought both Hayward and Burks showed they will be
better than CJ and they need PT.
Portland is the same team that blew a game 7 lead in L.A. while up 15 late in
the fourth quarter. The same team that fell to the Chicago Bulls that the Jazz
fell to. The same Portland team that had half their roster have trouble with
the law back when Rasheed was there. The same Portland team that has not been
past the first or second round of the playoffs in who knows how long. The Jazz
at least made the WCF recently. Portland is always the same story. Good team,
good homecourt, early playoff exits, injury problems and around and around we
Portland has a good team but will be competing with Utah for the Northwest.
Portland was simply hitting their shots. That does not always happen.Isn't Portland the team that had multiple players arrested while in Salt Lake
City because they really like young children?
So going back to my last post, that would mean that the Golden State Warriors
who are awful every year, the New Jersey Nets, again, awful every year, the
Milwaukee Bucks, awful as well, and teams like Philly who have been bad so many
times for so long are better franchises? By the way when these lowly teams won
their titles, they were in a different city, or it was so long ago that Bob Dole
was probably a teenager back then. Get a clue. Now that the Lakers are done
and on the decline, it will be beautiful to watch their fans rely on the past to
tell how great their team is. Then there are Portland fans that brag about
winning a title 33 years ago. Like that is relevant.
I hope that AJ does better between now and March, so the Jazz can get something
of worth for him before the trade deadline. Guy stunk it up on both ends of the
floor last night. Our second highest paid player, Harris, wasn't much better.
We'll see how Wed goes, but it looks like "back to the drawing board".
The comment about never winning a ring is garbage. The Jazz have made the
playoffs more times in the past 25 years than any other franchise. They did not
win a ring because MJ 23 was in the way, unlike San Antonio and L.A. who played
some cream puffs in the finals. The Rockets conveniently won their back 2 back
titles when MJ was gone. Here is a list of franchises without a ring:Phoenix SunsAtlanta HawksCleveland CavsIndiana PacersUtah JazzDenver NuggetsCharlotte BobcatsToronto RaptorsN.O. HornetsMemphis GrizzliesOKC ThunderSo all those
franchises are garbage then right? By the way Portland won 1 back in '78 and
Miami only has 1, and Dallas only has 1. So why don't we just gut the NBA down
to NY, L.A. Chicago where the players only want to go play, and get rid of all
these "garbage" teams. By the way when was the last time the Knicks
were even relevant? Only ignorant fans make such ridiculous comments. At least
in Jazz town we have real fans, and succeed in a market where almost no player
wants to come.
Portland has 1 Championship, San Antonio has what, 4, the Rockets have 2,
Pistons have 3, And need I say Da Bull's, The Lakers and as much as I don't want
to say.. the Celtics... This is all recent for the most part, What has that team
from Utah done... ever?
Peter:Maybe Carbin was not thinking! The season may be a short one
from the sound of things. Okur is through, gone, had it.
Favors, Kanter, Burks, Hayward, Evans. That is a pretty good young core.
Millsap, Jefferson, Howard, Harris are good vets. Watson is a decent back up.
Miles, Bell and Okur should be buried at the end of the bench and only used when
absolutely necessary. Millsap would be a good sixth man, but he refuses to
embrace that roll. Jefferson needs to pick it up defensively. Miles plays no
defense and is streaky offensively. I like Bell, but with his age and where the
Jazz are right now, he should be used very little. Memo can help us in certain
situations, but there is too much young talent in front of him. Starting
five-1-Harris2-Hayward3-Howard4-Jefferson5-FavorsHoward is not ready to start, but I would rather see him
than Miles or Bell. Sometimes Millsap can play the 3, and so can Evans. Just
not for long stretches. Millsap would be a great sixth man.
Way to start the pre-season for the team from Utah... I only hope more and more
of that comes from the regular season.. The wife and I are planning a trip to
Portland soon... I will take a picture of a real NBA Championship banner while
The worst part about the game was the selfish play, few assists. They looked
totally lost, especially the "veterans". Raja Bell--what a total
waste of floor space.
True it was a hard game to watch. But you "young" tech freaks that
more than likely haven't played any organized sports past middle school need to
relax. This isn't like pushing buttons on overpriced tech garbage where results
are immediate, this is instead a team sport that requires time to achieve
success. I seen a couple players last night that impressed me and think
things will be O.K. sooner than later. Example Favors, Evans(for the mins
played) and Burks were positives. Kanter is probaly somewhat of a project and
Hayward had a terrible night but more than likely will rebound. Throw in Milsap,
Howard, and I believe that to be the neucleus of this years team. For you
immediate success freaks, go buy some more overpriced tech garbage to entertain
yourselves with and let us fans of hope and promise enjoy watching something
given time mature! Bye.
Liked the fact that some of the youngsters have game.Game was not
controlled well with a point guard. Our system has always been controlled with a
point guard. Too much one on one and our shooters aren't that great from the
@J-TXWell enjoy the Lake show this year. You gave Lamar Odom away,
Kobe is on the decline and the JV Clippers are on the rise.
Chalk this one down to an exhibition as to why guys like Okur, Raja and Miles
should be seeing plenty of minutes on the bench this year. Youth
movement starts Wednesday night. Let the young guys play. The older guys seem
uninterested, slow, bored and just bad.
Haha,I love making Jazz fans all up-tight and angry.Portland is not moving, Allen is not putting the team up for sale.
@Portland Trail BlazersPortland is a good franchise with a good fan
base. They are similar to the Jazz. Let's not get too cocky over a preseason
contest though. The Jazz are going to have a tough year, but it will be fun to
watch Favors, Kanter, Hayward and Burks develop. To say the Jazz are garbage is
an ignorant comment. This franchise has missed the playoff like twice in 25
years, in a small market like Utah no less. Portland does not have a star, and
they have some injury proned guys, so watch what you say cause at best, Portland
is a first round playoff team right now. Good luck to the Blazers though.
After passing on Michael Jordan for Sam Bowie and Kevin Durant for Greg Oden, a
Blazers fan must be bitter wondering what might have been....
Hey Portland boy, I mean (Trailgangster)You say the Jazz are moving
in 4-6 years. Actually the news is your owner is looking the sell the team.
HA! Enjoy the Greg Oden, I mean Brandon Roy, I mean whoever else you have for
the next year
"pate123 | 12:08 a.m. Dec. 20, 2011 Willard, Ut The Jazz in the
Finals before Portland mark it down; Oh wait, they already have in 97'-98'.
"Way to show your ignorance, Pate. You didn't know the Blazers
have one more NBA Championship than the Jazz? (1978)Jazz fans:
Another season of losing. Sorry.-A Laker Fan.
To all you Sloan haters....good thing we changed away from Sloans defensive
strategies because "....you were all so tired of watching wide open
3's....."So much for that. The defense, especially by the
veterans, was an absolute joke. The wide open threes were as bad or worse than
last year. Horrific effort by the veterans. The young players at least have an
excuse to get burned but at least they put forth some effort.If this
is all the veterans have then we will be drafting top 5 next year which is not
all bad I guess.You Sloan haters are going to be eating your words,
crow, and all the rest of your uneducated commentary.Al Jefferson is
a perennial loser who destroys any offensive flow. The ball goes in to him and
the offense ceases to exist because he never passes and he does the same thing
repeatedly.That game, outside of Derric Favors, was an abysmyl
mess.We have some nice young players but if we have to rely on them
now/this early there will be alot of losing before there is any consistent
winning. Unfortunately our pathetic veterans may force Corbins hand.
@ Portland Trail Blazers:"The Jazz are not the next OKC
Thunder, if anything they are the next Vancouver Grizzlies or Charlotte
Hornets."I would respond by saying the Trail Blazers are not
the next OKC Thunder either. In fact, they are closer to being the next Seattle
It's just as I said last season, and recently on the message board. It's over.
The Jazz will be hard pressed to win 20 games in a strike shortened season, and
will NOT make the playoffs. This is not a quality NBA team that is going
anywhere this year. I'm just going to enjoy the season and see what happens. I
am not a bandwagon Jazz supporter. I'm not jumping off the wagon or criticizing
them or anything of the kind. The are what they are. We are a small market
team and will struggle. Get used to it, and you folks with rose colored
glasses; please....wake up and quit boring us with all your advice about so and
so on the team needs to do this or that. The Jazz are snake bit and have the
same disease as the Utes....no players to compete. Quit blaming O'Connor and
the coaches. It's the players, and the lack of players to compete at the NBA
level. Come on.
B Russ in Ephraim, u are spot on.. Devin Harris better do more than bring the
ball past half court then pick up his dribble 40 feet from the basket.. he
better get serious about getting in the lane and at least try to beat his man
off the dribble to create SOMETHING.He looks slow and fragile.. not
a good sign. But maybe Corbin will recognize this and let guys like Burks and
GH create some offense.
OH MY GOSH, I'm so excited the lock out is over! Okay, really, I'm not....
I was debating on whether or not to re-up my NBA package. This lack of effort
on the Jazz is making the decision easy. The newbies are learning how to lose
via this downward spiral for the Jazz, thus the future is not so promising."Skill" vs "Will"? I'll take "WILL" any
day! That's what the Jazz have been missing the last few years...no heart!!!
It's cute to hear Jazz fans talking about how great the Jazz are going to be in
the upcoming season. The talk usually dies off a day or two into the preseason.
Harris doesn't seem to distribute the ball and get teamates invoved in the
offense. That is a major concern with this team. Alec Burks had more assists
than Devin Harris, and 4 less turnovers. Harris might be headed for the trade
bait pile along with the players Doug mentioned.
If the Jazz have Favors playing like a beast, and Kanter rebounding and CJ, well
CJ had a good game last Saturday so his next one should be in the latter half of
January sometime.Bell should man up, but if CJ still doesn't do what
he is paid to do and Okur has an attractive expiring contract then...
I'm with Bluewombat8. I don't think Corbin is/was the answer to replace a Hall
of Fame coach Jerry Sloan. They better start playing inspired basketball. If
the young guys are athletic and hungry let em play. We will be better off with
the young guys vs old washed up veterans just out there going through the
You're probably right Trailblazers, they will probably move the team that up
until last year made the playoffs 21 times in a row (who else can say that) and
a team with one of the strongest fan basis' in the league. Because a team has a
down year or maybe two years doesnt mean anything. I believe Portland has had a
couple bad years am i wrong? I think that people make the OKC comparison because
we may have had some steals in the draft, a guy that was overlooked, like Kevin
Durant ya know? What was that team that overlooked him for a guy whos scouting
report said "the knees of a 90 year old man"?
Okur is done as an NBA player because of his achilles injury/surgery. One just
can't come back from that injury and perform at an NBA level again. Sorry Jazz
fans. What is Corbin thinking starting the five he did?
There is a reason why Jerry Sloan resigned in early February of this year. When
the spectators put more effort into getting to the game than the players put
into playing the game it is time to focus on other interests.
Well back to reality changing the subject to an old familiar one.New
Defense? HEE HEE HEE HEEOkur recovered, ready to go, active?HEE HEE HEE HEESame old thing. Talk just Like Sloan
"new Grading System"Bell, and Hayward do not even look at
the wide open corner 3s. If they had focused giving the ball and someone like
Babbitt, but Matthews in more?Portland wins by 30.If
Hayward and Bell will be non existent with "this pack the paint"
instead off to a side doing ZERO, might as well see Korver back at least waving
his arms like a Chicken late on the shooter.At least Favors looked
like a beast. Burks looked pretty good except for getting schooled at times
Defensively. Kanter and Evans had good moments. Kanter at least aggressive at
the basket and the 10 Boards.Ah good to be back after 8 months, I
see nothing has changed in Corbin/Sloan ball and the loving Sloana.......
Corbin is not a good coach. If thats his new defensive philosophy on display
tonight I say take it back, and why did he start Okur when he had to guard a
small forward everytime down? Okur looked terrible tonight along with Jefferson,
Devin Harris, and Miles again. Lets just start the young guys and let them play,
they played with some intensity and passion. booo to that performance but then
again it is just preseason
portland trailblazers, how do you think the trailblazers are gonna do this year?
they look like a good team, but like always half the team will be crippled come
playoffs and theyll have another first round exit, like always. yes the jazz
are teh next okc thunder because the players will be properly coached, nate
mcmillan os one of the worst coaches in the league, remember the trailblazers
were the bottomfeeders of the nba not too long ago, and the jazz wont be good
but definitely not the worst team in the league. soon the trailblazers wont be
any better than the jazz because once lamarcus' contract runs out he'll join a
superteam somewhere else in teh league, and portland will be no better than utah
is right now. just think before you post about how wll your team is gonna do
before you rag on anyone elses team
@portland Trailblazer. Interesting that ESPN is reporting that Paul Allen is
selling the team! Funny you mention teams that are on the market. The Seattle
Blazers, Vancouver Blazers; both have nice rings my friend!
Please leave Utah Jazz, you're an embarrassment to the state.
You guys realize that Portland Trail Blazers poster is nothing but a career
troll right?Don't get mad at him. He is just angry that his team is
nothing but a 1st round exit and that their team is plagued with health
problems. Sorry, but that squad that the Blazers is sporting will
never be a championship caliber team.Wes Mathews is too small for a
SG and it showed in the playoffs last year, I'm glad hes gone.Felton
is overweight and will wear down halfway through the season. Gerald
Wallace is a tweener.LA is alright, but will probably get Roy'd or
Oden'd or what should we call it. Seriously, what in the water there in
Portland. ROFLROFLROFL.Seriously, what do you guys have to look
forward to? I'll answer for you, mediocrity. That team will never be a
contender, and you wont get a pick to become champ contenders.Jazz
have top caliber rooks and sophs and have more coming this next year. They have
a bright future, not one stuck i mediocrity for a decade. You guys
haven't been relevant since Drexler, enjoy the perennial mediocrity friend :)
Portland Trail Blazers,I think Utah is more like the Indiana Pacers. A lot
of good pieces, nothing great, and could scratch their way into the playoffs if
they were in the eastern conference.
The Jazz in the Finals before Portland mark it down; Oh wait, they already have
I enjoyed watching some of the younger guys. I can't believe CJ is still on our
roster???One thing for sure is, I would be surprised if we won more
than 22 games. Starters not much there. We have a long way to go.
Please stop Blazers. You are just embarassing yourself
Utah Jazz to Seattle or Kansas City in 4-6 years, mark it down.
Portland TrailblazerThe Grizzles aren't in Vancouver anymore they
have been in memphis for 10 years so you better get your facts straight.BTW the Grizzles knocked off the Spurs in the playoffs last year so I
will gladly take that comparison.
Portland TrailblazerWhen they do that in the regular season then you
can talk. But I doubt your a real blazer fan anyways I think you are just bitter
that the jazz didn't draft jimmer. Good Job Favors. 25 and 12.Good Job Kanter 6 and 10. If Kanter can rebound like that, he will
get playing time.
Portland Trailblazer"The Jazz are not the next OKC Thunder, if
anything they are the next Vancouver Grizzlies or Charlotte Hornets.
HA!"So why should they move to seattle? Seatlle let the thunder
move away? The city of Seattle is the dumbest in the world and besides you will
never see your team in person if the jazz leave. Think about that.
Dear Portland Trail Blazers,I have one question for you my good sir,
Why? Why do you troll the Jazz message boards so much? If you are a Blazers fan
then why dont you go to a Portland website? OR is it that you are so starved for
attention you need to troll Des News constantly? Yes the Jazz got whooped and
yes the Blazers most likely will do better than the Jazz but for reals man, let
Jazz fans cheer on our team in peace. P.S if Des news didnt moderate these
comments this comment would be far more colorful. P.P.S With your arguement that
aldridge didnt play we could counter with that Milsap didnt play. You know him?
He is the guy who dropped 11 points in 29 seconds against the Miami Heat? That
guy your team tried to but couldnt get?? cheers mate
Note to Jazz fans....The Jazz are not the next OKC Thunder, if
anything they are the next Vancouver Grizzlies or Charlotte Hornets. HA!
Players like Derrick Favors, Alec Burks, Gordon Hayward, and Enes Kantor cannot
be denied playing time. You decide. I have.
Good thing Portland did not have Aldridge playing or this game would've been
even uglier for the Jazz. Can't wait for the regular season to start. It's too bad Portland wasn't given better competition in the pre season to get
them ready for the regular season. Wish it would've been Portland vs either
Oklahoma City or Denver, both are major upgrades in competition versus playing
the Jazz. Playing the Jazz is boring, and it only makes it worse that it's pre
season. The Jazz looked terrible, this is going to be a long season for them.
Wesley Matthews is a stud, I'm glad he's rockin it in a Blazers
uniform. Jefferson and Okor are garbage. Actually the entire Jazz
team is garbage.