Phil Jackson was famous for not calling time outs when opposing teams made
runs...commentators noted he liked to let his players work things out. That
said I suspect if Dick Vitale was calling the game he may have been screaming
"you need a TO baby" into the mike sometime late in the first half.
Nice to see Dennis give some props to BYU. I remember all the posts from Dennis
on how "dismal" BYU's program was and that UTAH is dismal and that
Northern Arizona was Dismal. You were making fun of their light schedule because
the Cougs hammered NAU by 35. Well, look on the bright side you have 2 games
against a team that NAU beat, ASU. Yep, ASU lost to the Lumberjacks. Yet another
nice showing by the Pac 12, you know the 4th best conference in California that
will have only 1 NCAA tourney team.
toosmartforyouBYU lost the game because of unforced errors --
throwing the ball out of bounds, getting a pocket picked and then fouling on the
easy layup, missed foul shots, and several other errors -- that were more the
result of youth and inexperience than anything to do with coaching.
@ riddles in the darkI never said Coach Rose wasn't a good coach, in
fact I said he was propbably the best coach BYU has ever hired. (Or did you
miss that?)I never said I was a "pretender coach" but
simply gave my observations. Like it or not those who have experienced
thousands of games can have valid personal opinions.Now the
facts:BYU lost momentum in the last part of the 1st half and did not
call time out. Baylor called time out twice, very close together, when it
looked like BYU was going to run away with the game. BYU had two UNUSED time
outs at the end of the game. BYU lost; Baylor won.In my opnion, a
well-placed time out (or even two) probably would have made a difference in the
outcome of the game; BYU didn't have to lose;, they did and Coach Rose was at
the helm. That's all I'm saying. If that's too harsh for you, well, sorry. The
players on the team gave it everything they had. I hate to see a 19-game home
winning streak end when it should be otherwise, warm fuzzies and moral victories
This was a game that could have gone either way, unfortunately it went Baylor's
way Looking forward to more great Cougar efforts this season.
Wow, just read through all of these comments and I'm surprised no one has blamed
the loss on the one part of the game the completely in the team's control--they
lost it at the charity stripe. Harrison has got to learn to deliver when given
the chance. He makes even one more of his FTs and the game looks different (
e.g., Rose takes the TO, positions his guys to get the two point shot instead of
trying for three). Two years ago, the Cougs were one of the best FT shooting
teams in the nation. Amazing how they make a difference (Davies is getting
better, though).Either way, it was an incredible game to witness.
Great atmosphere, great basketball all around.
Terry -You wrote; "I have not seen such obvious
intentionally bad/biased calls in almost 15 years!!! Yes, I was at the game and
all 22,700 fans agreed on this reffing atrocity!"______________I have to say, your comment does not surprise me in the slightest,
especially the part where 22,700 fans agreed with you.
Rose, who is an exceptional coach, made a huge blunder in the second half: he
left Davies in instead of putting Austin in for a few minutes to stop Baylor's
big man. Davies got hit with a ridiculous foul that caused him to back away in
the paint and to let Baylor make shot after shot. Austin had played excellent in
the first half and he should have been able to come in and help shut down the
Baylor offense. The argument for needing Davies in for offense left the Coug's 1
for 3 in the paint and Baylor 4 for 4 in the paint, not a great exchange.Overall a great game. Taking Davies out to let someone play tough
defense would have turned the game the Coug's way. Just my opinion but watch
the tape and you will see that it is true.
Jake 2010:ESPN did end up showing the banner from the fans
congratulating RG3- and talked about BYU's class. So, although the game wan't
watched by a CBS audience, I'm sure many people - who otherwise would have never
heard about it - saw it on ESPN. That's a partner worth having! Also, at least
3 Baylor Players, and their Head Coach, all commented on the great atmosphere of
the MC and the great fans there.Way to go Cougs - most posters on
this article have nailed it. Tough, tough loss - but we have a great team and
good reason to be optimistic! Also, the BYU players continued to comment
afterwards that they came to win this game and didn't, so this shows me they are
still focused on winning and won't be satisfied with just "good"
efforts against top teams. These wins will come and March will be as exciting as
Great game but a loss at home to a top tier team. Looks like we'll be waiting
another 30 years for a Sweet 16 appearance.Call me in 2041...
I guess byu got Jimmied!
BYU lose? Great. Um....Utah win. Sun go down. Teams play more games. Me
watch. Me comment later.
@tsfyDo you really expect us to believe that a guy who "was a
high school basketball official... and has watched college games and tournaments
for over 40 years..." is more qualified to manage a game against the
6th-ranked team in the country, than a coach who was a team captain for
Phi-Slamma-Jamma and has a 78% winning record as a D1 head coach???Get over yourself.Dave Rose is one of the finest coaches in the
country and I trust his judgement far more than an arm-chair pretender who only
thinks he knows more than Coach Rose.
Jones is the real deal.Carlino is the real deal.Jones is
a grear actor. ( stopped BYU's momentum, give Baylor's team a good three minute
Well, BYU lost, but only by 3 points. Santa won't put coal in their Christmas
stockings, but he will leave oranges and sweaters.
I may be a die hard Utah fan but that was a well played game by the Y. Nice showing.
This was the first game that I could watch since Wisconsin. The progress that
the Coug's have made was phenomenal. Way to go Team! The nature of any close
game is always the "what if?" In my mind the key to the difference
between the two teams was depth. Did anyone notice how Baylor would sub all 5
players at a single TO? When BYU gets that kind of depth on its roster, then
they'll be able to compete on the national level (and it looks like they are
heading in that direction).I love Steve Cleveland giving commentary
on BYU TV.Best poster in the crowd (a la jn 3:16)- "Alma
Well, If Rogers had been there I think he would have made the difference of at
least four points. We really missed him tonight. But good game
How could anyone not be talking about those referees? They have to be Big 12
refs, I have not looked it up, but their bias was obvious. Those referee with
some of the most outrageous calls and no calls were the main cause of both
Baylor runs/BYU droughts where Baylor came back from 2 separate large deficits.
I am talking obvious calls where nobody was around the Baylor player
on fouls, a Baylor player dribbling it off his foot in an obvious play and
getting the ball back and BYU players being thrown to the floor on shots and
getting no call. They tried to make up for in the the last few minutes by
calling it more fair probably because Baylor was already up 9 and they feared
for their safety (after the game) if they would have kept it up, but they had
already had at least a 15 point direct affect on the game by that point and that
is all Baylor needed. Shameful!I have not seen such obvious
intentionally bad/biased calls in almost 15 years!!! Yes, I was at the game and
all 22,700 fans agreed on this reffing atrocity!
@ idabluIf you saw today's game you will also have to admit that
Baylor almost scored again just before the half and luckily the ball was fumbled
as time ran out, so the 12-point lead that evaporated into a 4-point lead could
easily have been just a two point lead. BYU had the momentum and lost it. When
Baylor scored 5 straight points (or 6) Dave Rose should have used a time out to
regroup and maybe we'd have been ahead by 10 at the half instead of 4.Why do you think a team gets 5 time outs? And if a game is close and a coach
doesn't use his time outs, has he really done everything he should? What in the
world is he saving them for, for heaven's sake, if it isn't to use them to his
advantage? Even if he just breaks the opponent's rhythm and tells his players a
joke to relax them a bit it can be a momentum changer.Remember, this
perspective is coming from having officiated hundreds of games over the years,
not just trying to second-guess a situation. That's my experience and I stand
@ idabluMomentum is the great game changer. One way to break an
opponent's momentum that is running away or coming back is to call a time out.
How many times have you witnessed Watts, Rose, Cleveland, Reid, or other BBall
coaches just sit on the bench and watch the other team continue to build
momentum? How many times have you witnessed BYU get behind by a dozen in the
first half, in the last 2 of 3 minutes of the half, and have them lose by two
points and have the coach say "Well, we almost came back. We gave them a
game but fell just short." I've seen it plenty of times. I
agree Rose is a good coach, probably the best we've had at the Y, but he did
take out Emery too soon against Florida in the tournament and he did let a
12-point lead dwindle to 4 just prior to the half today. Have you taken any
coaching classes where the point is made the last 3 minutes of the half and 1st
3 minutes of the second half are critical? Every major college coach will
agree. Today Mr. Rose just sat there.....true story.
I think the Cougs did great and are getting better with each game. Get Rogers
and Collinsworth back and this is a really deep team with tremendous upside. I
don't think anyone has mentioned it but Carlino was open at the end of the game
and was next to Davies. If Davies makes a pass the game probably would've been
going into OT.
tsfy 7:38pmI hate to break this to you, but there is more to being a
great coach than just using all your time-outs. Although I agree that Rose
probably should have called a time-out at the end there, I would strongly
disagree in your general assessment of Coach Rose. Why the chip on your shoulder
about Rose? Unconscious 3-point shooting by Baylor and critical errors by BYU
players lost this game. The coach had a terrific game plan and got his kids to
essentially out perform a vastly superior (player for player) team for the most
part of the game. No, I would have to disagree with you on your
coaching assessment. Yes, Rose occasionally makes some mistakes, but he is the
best coach BYU has seen (in any sport) for quite a while. We're lucky to have
3 point loss that is anyone's game.
Its too bad BYU didnt find a way to pull this one out but they proved they can
play with a top 10 team. I feel really good about the rest of the season going
forward. There is going to be some good battles between BYU and Gonzaga but BYU
should do really well in the WCC. This team looks better then I thought it would
this year and Carlino is a good looking player for a freshman GO
The thing that hurts the most about today's loss is the fact that it won't be
until earned in the tournament in March that BYU will find itself ranked....
This was the one chance the Cougars had to get ranked before making a serious
run in the dance..... With the loss to USU and now two ranked opponents there is
about a slim to none chance that pollsters will perhaps even welcome them into
'others receiving votes'. Ah well... Rankings mean nothing! It is what you do on
the floor when it counts that matters most... Win the WCC, win the WCC tourney
and then make noise in March!
How many arenas will have huge banners congratulating Baylor's RG the Third for
winning the Heisman? I give huge hats off to the cougar fans that showed a cut
of class above most the nation! I went all warm fuzzy when I saw that... Too bad
there wasn't a CBS nationwide audience watching it, for it would have spoken
well for BYU as an institution and community and the fans in general and Utah as
a whole... Very classy BYU Fan's... Thank you for taking the time, spending the
expense and holding it proud.... Congratulations to you for being great people!
Great game Cougs. It was really fun being there live. Too bad we didn't have
Rogers and Collinsworth. They could have been the little extra that we needed
to get the win. Let's hope they both make it back on the court sooner than
later. With them, BYU will have a very good year. Carlino is going to be a
special player - Jimmer II?
You guys..... Can you please accept the reality that Utah could do the
improbable and win 21 straight? They are one game on track to do just that.... I
don't know if this post made it yesterday or not... The moderators drank too
much coffee and stuffed several of my attempts. anyhow.... Idaho State is rather
pathetic but it only takes ONE game to turn a season around... I wouldn't be too
surprised if the reason for eight straight futile games in a row had to do a lot
with lost heart and huge self doubt.... A win is a win is a win..... Beat
Portland... Have 2 in a row before Weber State... Go to Ogden and pull the
season performance based upset.... Then wallah.... Posed and ready to rip off 18
straight in the whacky 12.... Season ending record 22-8! Can't go wrong with
that... That, with the whacky 12 season champion title would propel them into
the tourney. If there are any guaranteed losses don't even bother lacing up your
sneakers..... That is the reason why games are played is to witness the
unthinkable if it can happen on a game by game basis.
worf, that missed call didn't end up affecting the game at all. Baylor missed a
shot attempt right after inbounding the ball, and BYU rebounded, so it ended up
having no effect. BYU played a good game, but lost because Baylor played better
down the stretch, not because of a missed turnover call that happened with a few
We lost, but is basketball a great sport or what? The atmosphere, the
competitive effort of both teams, some great plays by both sides, some lousy
calls by refs, what fun. And both teams played with class. You didn't see any
trash talk, cheap shots or parading around. To me that was basketball at its
best today. MORE PLEASE!
Few observations:1. Baylor got the ball after it bounced off their
player. May have cost the cougs the game.2. Northern Arizona beat
Arizona State. Either Arizona State stinks or Northern Arizona wasn't to bad.3. Wonder if Rogers would have made a difference?
If Davies and Carlino continue to play like they did today, this could be our
last loss until March. Davies played like I expected to see him
play all year. If he can find a way to consistently perform like this, there is
NBA potential there.And I have never seem a Freshman, in his first
game, against a tough opponent take control of the game like Carlino did today.
He is the real deal. Every position is now solid, except for
shooting guard. Zylstra did a nice job on the boards, but we need a shooting
guard who can put up some points and hit 3's and spread the floor. Harrison
played well in the first half, but struggled in the second half.
@ TJ and shayboI was a high school basketball official. I've
watched college games and tournaments for over 40 years. I have personally
officiated high school, junior high, college intramurals, church
ball---literally thousands of games. I MAINTAIN that if a coach
loses a game and has unused time outs, he didn't do his best; the team may have,
but the coach didn't. I ALSO MAINTAIN that the last three minutes
of the first half are critical in a college game and for BYU to let a 12-point
lead drop to a 4-point lead shows "no" coaching at all. Also, you
don't bench your hot shooter like Mr. Rose did last year when suddenly Jackson
Emery was lighting up 3's against Florida but was benched after getting his 2nd
personal foul. The the steam went out of BYU's offense and Emery didn't foul
out---he was subbed way too early. BYU lost that game, too.I've
seen these phenomenon at work from Stan Watts through Dave Rose. I've seen it
from Frank Layden through Jerry Sloan. A coach that won't call time out is
limiting his options; Baylor called time out twice today real close together.
Baylor won the game because of how well they shot the 3, turnovers hurt too but
shooting as well as Baylor did was the key to Baylors victory. BYU played very
well, and 90% of the time they would win if they play the same way. If BYU were
to play Baylor again and play as well as they did today, I'd bet they would win.
Baylors shooting percentage from 3 was outstanding and the reason they won. Good
game boys, keep it up and you'll be real tough to beat in future games.
Two things. Shoulda called a time out. And #2 is that carlino yes is good nut
the team had little chemistry offensively on the 2nd half because of adding
carlino to the mix. It turned into him taking it or just feeding it to the post.
Zylstra abuo jarrison looked like theu were just waiting for him to do
something. Evidence? 18 point swing from first half to 2nd half. That said once
they figure out new chemistry theyll be better. And why let perry go one on one
in the post 4 straight plays in 2nd? Thats a mistake
I will always be first and foremost a Ute fan but that was an exciting game-
great effort by BYU against a quality opponent.
Great game! It will be exciting to see the Carlino era evolve. Before the
game, I figured that if Carlino could bring a strong outside game then there
would be less pressure on Davies, allowing him to get to the basket more; but
Davies was having a great game even before Carlino got hot. As others have
already pointed out, what lost the game were the open shots from beyond the arc
for Baylor. But, with Rogers in the game, BYU's offense would have probably had
the edge to counter the strong perimeter Baylor offense.
chubbuckidahocougfan | 3:28I understand why you replied to
my comment the way you did because I wasn't very clear. I never said I was
basing my prediction on rebounds and points in the paint, let alone from TODAYS
game. BYU did well in that regard TODAY. However, I haven't seen Davies do what
he did today on a consistent enough basis to have any real faith in him. And
Hartsock has little to no back to the basket game.One more thing, just
because you have X many points in the paint doesn't mean you have a tourney-made
post presence. A lot of those points can be from guards driving to the bucket.
That's a great thing but gets shut down by a strong guard defense regularly seen
in the NCAA tourney.As for you saying I'm looking through red glasses,
take another look at my previous comment, I gave a glowing outlook for your
Cougs, probably more glowing than it will turn out.Just offering honest,
unbiased feedback. I'd offer my resume for some credibility, but it's written in
red ink anyway - guessing that would discredit the whole thing for you.
shayboThey are poised to make a deep run in the tourney! They just
beat Idaho State!
@Jenny83, How is the Utes basketball team doing?
Motorbike-"They just don't have a great inside game which could ultimately
prevent them from accomplishing much more than just a nice season"what game did you watch today? You watching with red colored glasses on
again? BYU outscored one of the most talented front lines in all of college
basketball with 2 players that are projected top 10 in next years NBA draft. BYU
outscored Baylor 41 to 24 in the paint and BYU had 44 rebounds to 31 rebounds
for Baylor. BYU more than held their own against Baylor in the paint, in fact
they played better than Baylor in the paint today. The problem today
for BYU was turnovers and Baylor shot 13-25 from the 3 point line. There are not
too many teams that come into the Mariott Center and sooot 13-25 from the 3
point line. That's what won the game for Baylor. BYU really looking at how hard
they played and when you usually have more points in the paint and outrebound a
team-you should win the game. It's just too bad that Baylor made 13 threes.
Jones III may be the best player in the country.
What a fun game, BYU just didn't make the plays down the stretch. Some nice
offensive rebounding, a few makes, but just 1-2 shots/turnovers short. Coach
Rose has this team reloading quickly after losing some great players last year,
I'm excited for the season and the future.Pity this wasn't a
@toosmart4u, BYU's best chance at getting an open 3 was to not call a time out,
Rose is a great coach.If Baylor isn't the best team in the nation I
would be surprised. Are you kidding me 5 athletic big guys all with 7' or better
wingspans and they can all shoot + three point shooters that can kill you.BYU just showed they can play with anyone. Great game by Harrison coming
off the bench, this team is only going to get better.
Wow, BYU might have lost the game...but I'd call them the big winners of the day
considering how well Carlino fits into the program.I had them going to the
tourney this year but losing game one. I might change that prediction to winning
one, maybe two.However, I still see them having trouble come tourney time
when play gets a little more physical and whistles get a little looser. They
just don't have a great inside game which could ultimately prevent them from
accomplishing much more than just a nice season.Good game today Cougars,
nothing to hang your head about. Baylor looked really tough.Go Utes.
Bummer what a tough loss, but a great game none the less. Ute fans will no doubt
try to call the byu season a flop now based solely on ONE game. But there is a
bright future ahead with Carlino. Not much you can do against a team that shot
lights out from 3. byu will make a tournament appearance. Hopefully they can
make some noise.
The Cougars came up short, but a great overall effort. The coaching had nothing
to do with at least 5 unforced turnovers which in the end probably cost them the
game.Davies may have had his best game in a BYU uniform.I think Coach Rose would have called a time out on that last possession if he
could do it over - and put the ball in the hands of Carlino instead of Davies
for the three pointer. Carlino was outstanding considering he came
in off the bench and this was his first D1 game since high school. He is smooth
and plays with a ton of confidence.
I am impressed with Baylor. BYU is a tough place to play for sure. I have a
question for Cougar fans. Does BYU every play anyone out of conference other
than in-state teams on the road? Not a neutral-site game like they did against
Northern Arizona or Oregon or the tournament games in Illinois. I
tried to look up the schedule on the BYU site, but they don't have next year's
posted. I would imagine that Baylor wanted a home and home. If not, I am
impressed with the schedule maker at BYU--sets up the team for the best chance
for success. Gongzaga and St. Mary's on the road may be tough, but it should be
clear sailing the rest of the way.
I loved Carlino's energy. He'll be fantastic for us. Davies was a great
presence inside. Unfortunately, there was no answer for Jones III. He was
impressive to say the least. If BYU can hang with Baylor for 40 minutes, they
should be able to make the NCAA tournament, and hopefully make some noise.
Game plan had nothing to do with the loss to Florida last year. Having a guy who
wouldn't run a game plan because he'd rather throw up brick after brick did.
Dave Rose is the best thing BYU has going for them.
That Carlino was a heckuva pick-up. Rose is a great coach.BYU should do well in the WCC and finish with around 22-25 wins. That will
make for a nice push for the NCAA tourney.=====Yet, to the DN poll
"Will (not could) BYU beat Baylor", nearly 90% of respondants said
yes. Further, Andy Katz called this his "upset" pick of the week and
many of the regular Y posters were predicting a Cougar win. Gotta love the
optimism for this program.
Great effort Cougars against the 6th ranked team in the Nation. Baylor proved
how good they are when they can come into one of the toughest arenas the
Marriott Center and squeak out a win. It is hard to knock Rose who was a hot
commodity after our run to the sweet sixteen last year and instead signed an
extension. This team played hard and is putting it together for a great run in
the WCC. Great game from the best college basketball team in Utah.
Rose did not get out coached. He had a solid game plan and his players executed
it well. Rose is part of the reason They were able to get leads in both the
first and second half. BYU's front line did extremely well on the boards
considering the size advantage Baylor had. BYU played a very good game against
one of the top teams in the country. BYU has proven that they have depth, they
can play with anyone in the country and that they are a very good basketball
team. BYU is very fortunate to have a coach like Rose and will be lucky to have
him long term if he is willing to stay here. Carlino is going to be very good,
Davies played his best game of the year and Harrison showed some flashes of his
potential. Toosmartforyou;Yes, we are. I am pretty sure
most people are.
tsfyAre you for real?As a UTE fan, I saw two very good
teams going toe to toe playing their hearts out.I saw two excellent
HC's.Thank goodness you have nothing to do with who is the coach at
Way to go Bears!
@Jenny83 You DO realize Baylor is a favorite of many to go to the
final four this year, right? This was a pretty good effort from BYU.
When is Rose going to Coach the team?????????? They had a 12-point lead with 2
minutes remaining in the half and he sat on the bench and watched it dwindle
down to a 4-point lead. So I quit watching.Then I turned it on
again with 5 minutes remaining and the Cougars were down 9 at 79 - 70, only to
come roaring back, but a costly turnover made a great huge difference. With
just over 5 seconds remaining and down 3 points, did Rose call time out? NO!!!!
He sat on teh bench and watched the final pitiful 3-point attempt get blocked.
And BYU had TWO time-outs remaining!Rose got out-coached again, just
like their loss to Florida in the NCAA Tournament last year. Rose should coach
the game; the fans can watch it....
Sad to see my Cougars lose one at home. They played really good ball, had some
errors that is part of the game. Carlino is a real spark, Davies and Hartsock
are beasts and played the part. Harrison brings a lot of energy into the game.
Baylor is really good, they played their hearts out. Great game to watch. Go Cougars.
Tough loss but what a game! Great effort by everyone against a #6 ranked team.
Carlino is the real deal!BYU should have no problems against any
team in the WCC.
Wow, is Carlino hot or what? Regardless how the game ends, this season is going