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Published: Sunday, Dec. 18 2011 5:00 a.m. MST

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Ronald Uharriet
SWun City, Ca.

What is said is true, however it adds fuel to the General Christian world opinion that the Church spends too much time selling the Church and not enough time selling the life of Christ.

I dont think that the life of Joseph Smith or any other person should be compared in the same paragraph, with the life of the Son of God. Thats just my opinion based on having many discussions with non mormon Christians that falsely think we worship Joseph Smith.

donn
layton, UT

RE: Ronald Uharriet I dont think that the life of Joseph Smith or any other person should be compared in the same paragraph, with the life of the Son of God. Thats just my opinion based on having many discussions with non mormon Christians that falsely think we worship Joseph Smith. Right on,

John Taylor,(Mormon) penned this beautiful and accurate eulogy: "Joseph Smith, the prophet and seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only.
John TaylorI believe we all drank of wine, and gave some to one or two of the prison guards.(HofC 1844).
And We talk about Christianity, but it is a perfect pack of nonsense It is a sounding brass and a tinkling symbol; and the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work that the Christianity of the nineteenth century.(JoD v. 6.)No wonder,Christians are dubious about Mormonism.

MoJules
Florissant, MO

The life of Joseph Smith was of great importance, it is through him that Christs church was restored and the priesthood was also restored to the earth. There are other significant births, Adam, Christ could not have been born without Adam and Eve fulfilling their role. But for our dispensation, Joseph Smith was a very valid and important birth. There are others for me, the 15th, my only grandchild, the 17th, my only child. The 19th my father, the 21, my grandfather and of course the 23rd Joseph Smith and we celebrate the birth of Christ on the 25th. So some very special births in my life in those ten days and each has meaning to me for different reasons.

I would say that one out of 50 times I will talk about Joseph Smith, the other times are about the Savior. The same when I am in church, the teachings focus a lot on the Savior, no one mentioned today in church that Joseph Smith's birthday is on Friday, they could have, cause we will be meeting on Christmas to celebrate the birth of the Savior.

dr.bridell
mclean, VA

I think Joseph Smith would resist and resent any kind of comparison between him and the Savior

Hans in California
Valencia, CA

Merry Smithmas to all, and to all a goodnight!

mightymite
DRAPER, UT

I think this is what causes Christian to look upon mormonism with disdain.

donn
layton, UT

@: Ronald Uharriet I dont think that the life of Joseph Smith or any other person should be compared in the same paragraph, with the life of the Son of God. Thats just my opinion based on having many discussions with non mormon Christians that falsely think we worship Joseph Smith.

John Taylor,(Mormon) penned this beautiful and accurate eulogy: "Joseph Smith, the prophet and seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only.
John Taylor said,I believe we all drank of wine, and gave some to one or two of the prison guards.(HofC 1844).
And We talk about Christianity, but it is a perfect pack of nonsense It is a sounding brass and a tinkling symbol; and the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work that the Christianity of the nineteenth century.(JoD v. 6.).

I M LDS 2
Provo, UT

Oh, give us a break from such superlative, hyperbole and exaggeration. Joseph was merely a man, and an extremely flawed one at that.

megen
Truth or Consequences, NM

It is utter blasphemy to compare Smith to Christ. This article, once again, shows the true focus of Mormonism.

Merry Smithmas to all and to all a good night.

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

It doesn't surprise me to see the critics show their disdain for this story. Yet, what the author said and what John Taylor wrote as an eulogy speaks the truth of all. Joseph Smith the prophet of the restoration. A young boy chosen to restore the truths that were taught by Christ. To restore the one and only true and living Church of Jesus Christ upon the earth. Though we celebrate the Birth of the Savior whose birth means very little with out the crowning event, his death upon the cross on Calvary and then his resurrection guaranteeing each and every person who has lived or will live the gift of immortality. Joseph Smith through whom we have been given the Book of Mormon, Another Testament of Jesus Christ, through whom the power and keys of the Priesthood was restored, through whom the blessings of eternal families was given accomplished through the sealing power of the Lord's House. We don't worship Joseph Smith but we revere his life and his willingness to follow as our Heavenly Father directs. Without Joseph Smith the world would still be in the dark ages.

MoJules
Florissant, MO

So how many of you love your fathers? Oh you can't do that, that would take away from your love of Christ. I for one have a place in my heart to love my Savior and to love the living Prophet today, and to love the first Prophet of this dispensation. I guess that if I love my child deeply, then I am an evil person cause I should only love and honor Christ. Isn't there a commandment that says love one another? What is love, love is to honor and respect people and their goodness and what is the pure love of Christ? It is charity and charity can only be done if we have a love for others. Christ did not teach us to hate each other or to hate another persons religious views. Thursday I told my granddaughter happy birthday, yesterday I told my daughter, tomorrow I will whisper to my father Happy Birthday, Wednesday I will whisper that also to my grandfather. Friday I will leave a FB message to my dear friend, I will also remember Joseph Smith on that day. Christmas and every day is Christs day.

kokua
KAYSVILLE, UT

Actually, according to many biblical scholars the Savior was born in the Spring time not during the colder winter months.

I am sure your heart is in the right place but your delivery is strained and seems to hint toward self adulation.

Anyhow, in the spirit of the season I wish you a Merry Christmas.

I M LDS 2
Provo, UT

Joseph was merely a man, and he was the first to admit it. I think he, himself would be extremely uncomfortable with this article.

IndependentLiberal
Salt Lake City, UT

I really believe this type of comparison "Praise to the Man" will always keep the divide too wide!

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@dr.bridell and I M LDS 2
Joseph Smith had made similar remarks to those of Taylor about doing more to keep the church together than anyone so I'm not sure he'd be uncomfortable with this article.

@mightymite and megan and hans in california

While Joseph Smith is held in high regard but he's not considered equal to Christ. Today is Pope Urban V's feast day; should Catholics be criticized for that too? (Actually, a lot of people who go after Mormonism for "worshiping" Joseph Smith also go after Catholics for supposedly "praying to saints"...).

I M LDS 2
Provo, UT

atl134,

You may be right. If so, I find that bothersome.

Firefly123
Mapleton, UT

I'm not thrilled with this, either. Plus the title, when we know full well that Jesus Christ was born during the Spring lambing season, and possibly even on April 6th, as some church-member scholars have suggested.

I just remember the one-and-only sacrament meeting my born-again step-dad attended, where the subject, unfortunately, was Joseph Smith. For some reason, every single speaker felt the reed to repeat his name. He later told my mother he had counted 74 "Joseph Smith's" in the 35 minutes-worth of talks. I don't doubt it, as I didn't start counting until about 30 had passed, and I got to nearly 40. Not the way to impress Baptists, that's for sure, and yes; I'm sure he will never enter a chapel again.

Wish we would study more about praising the name of Jesus Christ. I wouldn't mind some gospel music now and then, either. Monotonous durges make me fall asleep.

donn
layton, UT

Re: atl134,@dr.bridell and I M LDS 2,Joseph Smith had made similar remarks to those of Taylor about doing more to keep the church together than anyone so I'm not sure he'd be uncomfortable with this article. True,
Joseph Smith said, I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter ,Nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. (HofC vol.6)
Joseph Smith said, He will make me be god to you in His stead, and the elders to be a mouth piece for me; and if you dont like it, you must lump it.(HofC vol.6)

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

To Donn: You bring up an interesting point that many critics of the Prophet Joseph Smith with this so called boasting. What is funny the critics also say nothing of Paul in 2 Corinthians Chapter 11. If you were to quote the whole thing as it is proper to do so you would find that Joseph Smith was reading this very chapter and was discussing this chapter to the congregation. Now it seems reasonable that a person who would want to destroy mormonism would also dispute what Paul did. As you read what the Prophet Joseph Smith said and what is written in Corinthians you will see that he did exactly the same thing as Paul. Also you last part of you post is not anywhere in there but one a critic has posted that is not even there. Again critics speak of half truths or outright lies to make themselves look better than they really are and the prophet Joseph Smith worse than he really was. Critics need to really sit down and see what he actually said and then you will see the humility of the man.

donn
layton, UT

@Bill, As you read what the Prophet Joseph Smith said and what is written in Corinthians you will see that he did exactly the same thing as Paul. Wrong,

In 2Cor 11 Paul is boasting of his sufferings. Paul was a actual apostle per (2 Peter 3:15). Your comparison is a false analogy, You have to take JS word that he was called by God.

Joseph Smith said, Thou eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent Jehovah-God-Thou Eloheim, that sittest as saith the Psalmist, enthroned in heaven look down upon thy servant JS...(JS Dec 1835, (Comprehensive HofC 2)

Andtrusting in the arm of Jehovah, the Eloheim, who sits enthroned in the heavens.(HofC v. 5)

the LORD(JEHOVAH) is the true God,(Jeremiah 10:10 KJV). YHWH is the personal name of God.
Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us (1John 3:16) God on the cross.

Yet JS, I have always declared Jesus Christ a separate a distinct personage from God the father.

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