My2cents:I tend to be a supportive of public education but I'm not
our schools and teachers are so skilled to indoctrinate. Most teachers in Utah
are actually politically conservative, as you I may suspect. Many say in high
school are teaching 40 plus students in their classes so I imagine many are just
wishing to survive the day unscathed with their sanity in tact, all to do it the
next day. So more or more or less, let's all take a chill pill on the
"indoctrination" thing.As far as fraudulent goes, maybe
the support Utah in general in funding and respect for teachers might be the
fraudulent part, not sure...
Orem Parent,You're right! Look at the success of Thomas Edison,
Samuel Clemons, The Wright Brothers, Alexander Graham Bell, Abraham Lincoln,
George Washington, Walt Whitman, Eli Whitney, Samuel Morse, Henry Ford, Albert
Einstein, etc.They all went to well funded schools with technology.
Rifleman,Not really interested in other states especially since you
spoke of the "will of the people of Utah". I assume you are saying it
is ok for republicans to gerrymander in Utah because some democrats in some
other state did the same thing? I thought republicans had more integrity than
that, at least that is what they are always saying. My Mom always taught me
that "two wrongs don't make a right". Apparently my Mom was wrong?
Worf it isn't that simple at all. Nothing you suggested would even make a small
dent in funding except to limit technology to the library which is absolutely
absurd. I want my kids using technology at every turn just like they will do in
their jobs. It just isn't that simple.
Some ways to increase funding without increasing taxes or lowering wages:* Eliminate standardized testing.* Have parents pay fifty dollars
tuition per child per year.* Eliminate all summer programs. Allow parents
some time with their children.* Limit technology to library usage.*
Change free lunches, to quarter lunches.* Each child pays a nickle or dime
to ride the bus.* One well planned school fund raiser per year. Christmas
dinner with entertainment? etcIt's just that simple.
Re: Fred44 | 12:31 p.m. Dec. 15, 2011 "Don't forget to add how
important it is to gerrymander districts so that republicans can continue to
have a super majority"Rumor has it that gerrymandering occurred
in one or possibly even two Democratically controlled states. Are you
suggesting a double standard?
My2Cents:Really??? Do you really think the public schools are
"government indoctrination camps"? There is very little taught in the
schools that cannot be balanced with reasonable discourse in the home. And
frankly, most of these are in areas of opinion, not fact and science. And
calling public education fraudulent??? This is an outlandish claim that hardly
deserves comment.I might also ask, what is the alternative to a
systematic, government funded education system? Most young families cannot
afford the cost of educating themselves and their children in any way that is
practical without subsidies from their fellow citizens, including the older
generation who has largely reaped the benefits of living in this wonderful
free-market economy for most of their lives - and are in a position to give
back. Most parents, in my experience, are simply not sufficiently broadly
educated, particularly beyond elementary school levels, to adequately educate
their children at home or privately.Rather than throw ridiculous
accusations around, we should take our so-so public system, and make it better
by focusing on things that matter most - reading, writing, math, science, etc.
Nothing is a better investment than preparing the next generation to be
Utah Republicans and Demoncrats alike need to get serious about education. We
live in a knowledge based economy, folks. Future generations will not be able
to support an advanced world standard of living on second rate educations. The
economy doesn't need gobs of real estate speculators, small-time developers,
multi-level marketers, or mortgage originators. What we need is a workforce
that is educated in math, the sciences, engineering, medicine, statistics, etc.
These subjects are now critical for fields such as communications, marketing and
finance.We should be paying good math and science teachers MORE than
the administrators. Our teachers in these co subjects are generally young,
inexperienced, and the good ones tend to leave the classroom so they can make
more money to support their families. FAR TOO MANY end up in less important and
less beneficial administrative roles. It's time Utah became a LEADER in math
and science, and not a mediocre to slightly-below-average state in these core
21st century subjects. With focus, and a few more resources, we can make it
happen. Our local economy - and our children and grandchildren will be better
off if we do.
Rifleman,Don't forget to add how important it is to gerrymander
districts so that republicans can continue to have a super majority. Its to bad
they can't create districts geographically like they should and let the results
be what they are instead of counting the number of republicans votes and
democratic votes so they can spread the democrats out so they can keep their
super-majority. Voting demographics are changing, and the
republican dismissal of a Mormon candidate for president because he is Mormon
will only move more voters away from the republican party in Utah.
It is time to take the bureaucracy out of education and put it back in the hands
of the people. It is so wasteful and ideological to plan and spend funds on
education to the lives of families and their social status.Education
is a privilege funded and controlled by taxpayers and reasonable funding.
Education is not a government mandate or agency, eduction is an independent and
free will system of learning. Schools and education have been turned in to
indoctrination of children camps for government, even down to the food they eat
and the parents they can have. Government has taken over to approve and control
everything education does and this is not a free system of learning, it is
propaganda and brainwashing.It is absolutely stupid to put more
money in an already fraudulent education system. Education is not immune to cuts
and funding in a recession and depression. Expanding government to brainwash and
feed propaganda to our children is criminal and its time to segregate education
and government as it was intended to be.
The will of the people in the State of Utah is manifested in a majority of our
elected representatives being Republican. When the Democrats start representing
the opinions of the majority of Utahns then more of them will get elected. Its
kinda like in Chicago ..... only reversed.