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Published: Tuesday, Dec. 13 2011 10:01 p.m. MST

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lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Pagan,
please tell me how AF tabling the bill is akin to declaring open season on gays, as you seem to infer with your reference to the extermination order.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'Pagan,
please tell me how AF tabling the bill is akin to declaring open season on gays, as you seem to infer with your reference to the extermination order.' - lost in DC | 7:37 p.m. Dec. 14, 2011

/sigh

The mention of the extermination order was NOT a reference to the LGBT community.

I pre-empted the extermination order by mentioning that LDS members, knew the 'sting' of discrimination.

So, it was a reference to what happened to LDS members DUE TOO discrimination.

NOT, a reflection of the gay and lesbian community.

I did not 'infer' anything of the sort.

Now, if you think EVICTING you from your rental property and TERMINATING your job is 'fair' ONLY because you are Mormon... (Sarcasm)

you might have some idea of what it is like to be gay, in American Fork.

I will strive to be more clear to you in the future.

Munk
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@ George and Clark Kent: For the most part I was being rhetorical and playing a bit of devils advocate.

Discrimination comes in many forms. In many cases it completely blindsides the people and to evict or not hire anyone due to color or creed is something that should never happen.

Now, to make a point that I DO stand firm on is that when someone is fired and/ or evicted for reasons OTHER than race/creed and then those people claim that it was due discrimination; that is what I find as reprehensible as discrimination in the first place.

Another point is the being polite and courteous will oft times alleviate some of the discriminatory factors by other, and though sadly you can not force people to not believe a stereo type; you can take the higher road and show them that maybe they are wrong. One can only hope.

Education is really the answer as the more you force people the more the hatred grows and the more people suffer who should never have to. I hope that explains my position more. Thank you for your responses.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

@Munk;

First, being GLBT is not "poor behavior" (Bigotry is though).

Second, what part of being beaten and killed, fired or evicted for simply being gay is "attitude and poor history"?

Third, if you put your property into use as a business, then you must follow the law and NOT discrminate against who can access it. You CHOOSE to be non-discriminatory when you CHOOSE to rent out your property. Own your choice and take responsibility for it.

Fourth, being GLBT is not a valid reason to fire or evict someone. Even though the law ALLOWS it in Utah; which is why these ordinances are required.

@the Truth;

The government is there to protect ALL Citizens, yes, and that also means that the minority must be protected and may not be abused by the majority.

@Tami;

How is it that you fail to see how bigoted your comment was?

Flashback
Kearns, UT

It is already against Federal Law to discriminate against anyone when it comes to housing. This is just a feel good position that really has no merit nor need.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

@ George and Clark Kent: For the most part I was being rhetorical and playing a bit of devils advocate. - Munk | 6:36 a.m. Dec. 15, 2011

Could you please stop...

when people are FACTUALLY dying?

*Calif. Teen faces trail in gay classmate killing - By Greg Risling AP - Published by DSNews- 07/05/11

LOS ANGELES A Southern California teen driven by white supremacist beliefs executed a gay classmate at a junior high school with two gunshots to the back of his head

George
Bronx, NY

Pegan hits the nail on the head it is easy to be rhetorical and dismissive when it is not your health and safety on the line. Unfortunately many of use do not have the choice of standing on the sideline and make rhetorical comments.

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