Here is some clarity needed... if law breakers who cross our borders are
rewarded and ignored then why are crooks who rob and steal sent to prison?
Double standard? Isn't breaking the law breaking the law?
@CJ:"Is that enough clarity?"Absolutely!The only problem is, the Federal government refuses to do anything about
it... the reason is simple: The Hispanic vote.Our country is
essentially lost to aliens/foreigners. They sneak into this country in a
variety of ways and will never have to leave because our politicians, including
Obama and his minions, refuse to do anything about it. And they keep coming
with that encouragement... sucking up government handouts by the billions. This
was a nice country while it lasted. But it's over. We soon will be relegated
to a third world nation status with civil/race wars.@DeltaFoxtrot:"Remember, a large all powerful central
government was one of the things our founding fathers feared the most. Yet two
and a quarter centuries later that is exactly what we have."What the founding fathers failed to recognize can be summed up thusly: Where
does an elephant (federal government) sit? Anyplace it wants.There
is no authority higher than the federal government... except 'we the people.'
But 'we the people' can't seem to get it together enough to beat the federal
government back to the intended level of authority/power.
Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff is an embarrassment. He has described
Utah's laws as "Arizona-lite," but then claims "Utah's laws are
markedly different than Arizona's."Lite = markedly
different?What kind of fools does he take us for?Is he
also on board with all the amnesty crowd, but trying to tell us it really isn't
So illegal immigration is down to a 40 year low according to recent data. So one
has to wonder why the fixation? What are people avoiding looking at? Why the
slight of hand by so many politicians?
There is a good chance the Supreme court gives jurisdiction to the Federal
government, but makes exceptions, since states are carrying the financial
burden. Question is, will our local and Federal government follow
the Supreme courts decision? Or will they ignore it like they do with other
immigration issues such as identity theft.
Reporter Cortez seems to have the same myopic view as the DOJ and President
Obama.All are focusing on the rights of states to enforce the law, while
at the same time ignoring the other side of the coin.If immigration is the
purview of the federal government, do states have the right to determine
immigration status as part of the DPC license program?Do states have the
authority to grant state-level work permits to guest workers from other
nations?It seems that they are all too willing to allow states to do some
federal things, but are opposed to allowing them to screen suspects for
immigration status.This is a tough position to take, given the 287g
authority granted, the CAP program, Secure Communities and the millions spent
every year to maintain the federal LESC facility so local police can access the
database to determine...well...immigration status.What's wrong with this
Clarity? I think the clarity that the amnesty folks are looking for can be
found in the decision of the SCOTUS to hear the Arizona case alone.....If you are illegal....get ready....if the SCOTUS sides with Arizona there will
be a plethora of laws written in red states aimed at cleaning house of illegal
immigration aimed at employers......time to move to NY/IL/CA/MA/OR/WA....
@1conservativeTwo things first only 0.1% of the cases heard by the 9th
circuit court of appeals are ever taken up by the supreme court meaning that the
other 99.9% have been found to have no reason for being challenged or reviewed
by the supreme court. the Supremes reversed the 3rd and 5th Circuits
almost all of the time last term. Cases from state appellate courts fared no
better: They also had a 100 percent reversal rate. Overall, this past term the
Supreme Court reversed 75.3 percent of the cases they considered on their
merits. The supreme court only takes up those cases that are found to have
some marit meaning they will not even review a case unless there is good cause
to believe that the lower courts got it wrong so the fact that 99.9% of the
cases heard at the 9th circuit never make it to the suprime court does not speak
well to your argument.
The "clarity" that many want is just a continuation of the green light
from the boys in Washington, so the cheap-labor profiteers can keep hiring under
the table with the rest of us funding all their benefits. And, of course they
have the help of all the liberals who think that money grows on trees, and we
can afford to import the entire third-world and all their problems, and don't
realize that the "melting pot" can just end up being a pot that won't
It appears that Arizona is going to protect its Borders with or without the help
of the United States.I would cut all Federal and State Funding to
"Safe Citys". Also have Huge Fines an Prison time in place for people
who hire illegals.In the land of enforcement you only have to
enforce a few and make noise about it and most of the others will fall in line.
Then you can go after the rest.
We do have clear laws. The problem is that people want to get around those rules
so the illegals can come in and work, live, and use our medical and welfare
system. There is a legal way to come into the United States. If they
do not use that method then they need to be deported. I am sorry for
No One except the kids that came here real young and have been here most of
there lives, and through no fault of their own must return to their parents home
country.We perhaps need some passion and laws to deal with that
issue. In the mean time we need to enforce the laws we do have.In a
lot of cases the up tight and out of sight people have had laws passed. Passing a Law and enforcement of that law are two vastly different
things.I don't want to deport a teenager who is going to school,
working and is still 4.0 out the door, with two clubs and a Vol Internship.
Headed to the Y. However the law in being equal is unequal. Also
unequal in enforcement
Recently I read that Utah taxpayers are on the hook for I believe $483,000,000 a
year total cost for illegals. This includes welfare,law enforcement, medical,
schooling and infrasture cost. If this figure is true, there should be fines for
businesses hiring illegals equal to the costs and fines for the cost of legal
citizens who get laid off and have to receive unemployment because undocumented
people took their job. It is only when businesses realize that they can't profit
by using illegals and then put the burden on others that it is going to stop.All
the overbuilding in Utah which has put so many homeowners underwater is an
example of extreme greed much of created by hiring illegals.
I think the laws on the books are already quite clear.Recently I saw
a special on the War of 1812 and the citizens in Baltimore and New Orleans came
to the defense of our country in it's hour of need. Obviously they can't defend
our borders and need the help of the states and their citizens.
We need a constitutional convention. The states can fix the budget, immigration,
healthcare and education if given the opportunity. The Federal govt doesn't want
states to do this, they would rather impose their own plan which only serves
their interests. What is the federal govt. interested in? What has it been
interested in for the past 30 years? Gaining more power.Remember, a
large all powerful central government was one of the things our founding fathers
feared the most. Yet two and a quarter centuries later that is exactly what we
have.As originally designed the federal government was tasked with
establishing justice (courts), providing for the common defense (armed forces),
promoting general welfare (business/trade regulation), and securing liberty
(combination of the above). That's really all it needs to be doing. Everything
else was left to the states, and the states need to make sure it stays that way.
First of all: the 9th circuit court is the most liberal court in the country,
70 percent of their decisions get reversed by the SCOTUS, so what they did (or
didn't) say really has little meaning.The article itself alludes to
the fed. authority to establish "naturalization".Arizona,
Utah, and all other states who are trying to protect their borders have NO
INTENTION to grant citizenship to anyone. All the states are doing is trying to
make sure tax dollars are spent on ACTUAL LEGAL CITIZENS and keep jobs for legal
residents.The states just want to enforce the existing laws. The
feds obviously don't do a very good job of immigration enforcement or we
wouldn't even be having this discussion!
Obama called those of us American citizens who expect the government to do their
jobs and enforce our border the "enemies". Would we expect anything
more from his administration other than to fight the states and the citizens who
want to protect this country from the illegal mexican mobs, gangs, drug dealers
who are invading our country? If the supreme court does not rule in
favor of the legal citizenry, then we truly have lost our country to the left
wing elites who are out to destroy our constitution, freedoms, and our way of
The federal governement, by Constitutional right, is supposed to handle
immigration policy. However, when government fails to act, it cannot
punish or instigate the states for their self-protecting activities, especially
border states.How is it fair that the government doesn't act in
proportion to the problem, and the states do so, but get sued by the government?
Makes no sense. But then again, our government makes no sense.
It seems to me that the federal government needs to set guidelines that will
instruct those seeking entrance so they may proceed legally into the country.If (because) the federal government fails to do their job or illegals
somehow evade the federal authorities, each state should have the right to set
their own laws.Illegal is just what the word states! Undocumented
Here's some clarity for you. Immigrants,, 1- come here legally thereby
demonstrating that you are here to obey the law and be a part of this
country.2-learn English and demonstrate that you are here to adapt to our nation
rather than expecting us to adapt to you and your culture that we don't care
about.3-demonstrate that you are not going to have to rely on anyone other than
your own resources or your own family for your support until you can support
yourself. If you can't do any of the above then STAY HOME, if you already came
here as a criminal GET OUT NOW! Attorneys, law enforcement officers, pandering
politicians, and amnesty hacks, please see above. Anyone who doesn't obey the
law should be subject to immediate arrest and swift deportation no matter
where, or when they are found. Anyone who employs them goes to jail with them.
Is that enough clarity?
We have clarity, come here illegally.