As soon as Howard the Stephenson gets hold of this budget, it will go to fund
more private and charter schools. His goal is to "starve the beast"
(in the parlance of Colorado City folks) and privatize all education in Utah.
That way he and his cronies can make millions not educating Utah students. How
is it that the biggest foe of public education is put in as chairman of the
Standing Education Committee? Can I get an amen for the "fox guarding the
@Utah Teacher; It's hard to get excited about the Governor Herbert's proposal.
We all know that is just a starting point. As past years have shown, the
legislature will come back with a fraction of that. If he really wanted to
improve teacher salaries, the governor would not have suggested a paltry 1%
Re: realsoothsayer | 10:33 p.m. Dec. 12, 2011 "Herbert knows the
essentials of staying in office"The Democrats had their chance
to vote him out of office when they chose their candidate, Peter Corroon. Peter
lost that election 31.8% to 64.2%. Perhaps Peter should have asked Obama to
come to Utah and campaign for him.
I think its time that education start taking a back seat in spending priorities
of state budgets, or at least run and audit and prove to us that education is
underfunded or if earmarks funneled through the education systems is
justified.The governor has a monstrous chance right now to put Utah
on top of the nation and in a full recovery economic mode by stop this
spendthrift expansion of more government. In stead of expansion, cut taxes on,
fees, sales and income would benefit the 2.5 million tax paying souls in Utah
greatly promoting economic growth from the workers as well. Economic growth from
cheap welfare jobs taxed to poverty is killing this country's economy. If what
the governor says is true and not analytical projections then he has an
opportunity any other state can only dream about. I don't think it is wise
either to consider federal grants as permanent budget revenue to spend on
permanent cost as this is misleading and dangerous conceptions.
What are politicians really good at? Using taxpayer dollars to buy votes. No
news here. Herbert knows the essentials of staying in office, since most people
don't really follow the very crucial issues. But it's always a good ploy to
promote motherhood, apple pie, and public education.
Stephenson started licking his lips last summer when he saw what was being done
in Ogden. He won't rest until public education is dismantled. Wonder what will
happen then to all the kids who can't cut it? Move them around from one charter
school to the next?
Governor Herbert deserves a polite "golf clap" for his budget efforts.
Not raising taxes is definitely good, but it is the minimum that
should be expected of any Governor in any year.A better budget, and
one that the Legislature seems more inclined to adopt, is to not raise taxes,
but instead of spending the "extra" money right away on raises and
buildings, to pay off some of our debts and replenish the "Rainy Day
Fund.". I like that much better.However the best budget would
be to continue to cut state spending, not hold the line or increase it. And,
pay down our debts. And, absolutely reject even the discussion of tax
increases, and instead get busy cutting taxes so money can be left in the hands
of the Utah men and women who worked hard and earned it.I hope that
the high school student who has "never seen millions or billions of
dollars" has been taught that he will never see that kind of money unless
he really works hard, gets a good education, and takes entrepreneurial risks.
It will not be given to him after being forcibly confiscated from other hard
working people, but the opportunity is there for anyone to get rich. (Or, if he is really good at sports then he might earn that kind of money.. a
pretty sad commentary on American priorities.)
@ Carman,"On top failing to pay specialized teachers sufficient
to keep them in the classroom (most jump to administrative roles to make more
money."The extra money is great, but the biggest reason is
getting away from students they can't control. It's true.As for
funding:Classroom, teachers, and books. Simple, efficient, and cost
effective. Get rid of standardized tests and everything related to
it, and watch education flourish. These tests are like speed bumps on a
freeway.Keep it simple.
@Governor HerbertAbsolutely nothing to criticize about your budget.
Well done.@abitoutside,You can't hide things at a
Charter School since it is public and files reports to the state.I
agree, Howard has shown consistency in his capacity to make a buck off of
education. His next step could be selling the state the red herring of computer
adaptive testing, something that will waste so much money and educational time.
Since the feds finally relented giving the state permission for this
ill-conceived idea after years of saying no, it will probably soak up most of
the additional dollars that will be given to education this year when it
inevitably expands.@carmanUtah has been treading water
on math proficiency for decades. We aren't getting worse and we aren't
improving. Throwing money at teachers won't solve the problem. Charter schools
and some district schools work on this by putting the student in the correct
math class based on ability AND performance. All this shoving kids forward to a
new level when they never mastered the current one does everyone a disservice.
The child and parents are just as important as the teacher in this equation.
Thanks Governor Herbert for thinking of us teachers. I know it has been a rough
few years for everybody, teachers included.A small raise is a nice
gesture for all of the teachers that have been giving their best to our kids.
@ TRUTH,Wait a second, do you think "serious anti-illegal immigration
rules" can be enforced for free? There's not a surplus in your plan.@carman,I agree, math scores are not good enough in Utah high
schools, but the problem carries over from the junior high schools. We need to
address it in both areas.@ABITOUTSIDE,I totally agree.
Howard's track record is crystal clear. There is no reason to assume that he
wuill be changing his stripes anytime soon. For Howard, no tax seems low
enough; even when funding falls below a workable level. Then, he has the
audacity to suggest that the system is failing. Great strategy: starve it and
then blame it.Three cheers for the Governor. Strong, vocal, and
persistent support from the masses for reasonable plans like this one are the
antidote for the pushback that is sure to be just around the corner.
Amnesty Herbert just doesn't get it......his amnesty leges cuts into the
education budget he so proudly credits.......adopt serious anti-illegal
immigration rules and laws and watch the state declare a surplus!
Utah is falling behind in Math and Science, particularly at the high school
level. On top failing to pay specialized teachers sufficient to keep them in
the classroom (most jump to administrative roles to make more money - to support
their families), Utah has chosen to go it alone in math by using the
international version of the common core.Once again, Utah's
legislature has failed to consider practical application when considering
ideology based legislation. Problems with the International Common Core
incclude: 1) A lack of books and curriculum (which will mean hugely varied
standards in classrooms across the state. It will take a SUPER -teacher to get
this right. Most won't) 2) Higher cost materials because of a lack of scale.
3) We are going it alone as NO other state has chosen the same implementation.
This means problems for students coming to Utah or leaving Utah midstream - this
happens A LOT! 4) Confused out-of-state college admitions boards - Utah
students will be at a disadvantage because of a lack of comparability.Utah needs to rethink this before we lose 2-3 years of students in what will
certainly be a mess.
It won't matter what the Governor proposes, Howard Stephenson and his cronies
will continue to gut education until there is nothing left, his goal is the
ultimate failure of public education. It is difficult to get kick backs if it
is public ed, but private and charter schools make the money trail fuzzy. Get
ready for his new assault.
It's a great plan. But there are many many steps between planning and
implementation. Here's hoping the state legislature can make this work.