Well, it was bound to happen, Utah is coming into the 80's.
I'm a little unclear on why this would be needed. If you are trying to rent an
apartment or apply for a job, why would your sexual orientation even come up? Is
that an interview question now? I don't remember being asked about my sexual
orientation the last time I looked for an apartment or applied for a job.
Perhaps it is time for the little Utah towns to discover tolerance.
@2cents EMyou may not have been asked that directly but it is a fact
o life that people assume many things about others. As I am sure many many
people outside the LDS church living in Utah could tell you that some LDS people
show little concern for the law or common decency in asking very personnel
questions about your religious background and/or orientation fi they preserve
you as different in any way. I am lam not sure these ordinances will stop this
type of person from continuing to do so but it does at least leave a legal
recourse for those few people that may be brave enough to fight back.
Council member Rick Storrs, not Mark.I'm the person who brought this
originally to the council for consideration. 2cents, there have been a few
instances in the past where employees were fired after the business owner found
out they were gay, even in a small town like AF. I feel the ordinances give some
sense of protection to individuals whose sexual orientation or gender identity
has nothing to do with their work ability or qualification as tenants. The
protections in the ordinances will do a small part in building a safer and more
welcoming community. They are similar to the ordinances passed in SLC two years
ago, and thus have broad support with community stakeholders--partly because
they exempt small businesses (
'I'm a little unclear on why this would be needed.' - 2cents_EM | 8:27 a.m. Dec.
11, 2011 Are you married? It is innocent questions like
this that factually BRING UP orientation. You may not even realize them. Do you have a daughter/child? What do you think of Angelina
Joelee? These, reveal orientation. A case in NY would
not allow cohabitation, until marriage. Period. In the SLC
Discrimination report from 2009 there were three cases of discrimination due to
orientation... per month. You think orientation is not
brought up but I would ask you... do you wear a wedding band? 6 states allow gay marriage. So 44 states, do not. If you wear a
wedding band, 85% of the time... you are straight. As
for work... *'Dont ask, dont tell repealed; Utah senators say no' -
By Alison Peek - SL Examiner - 12/19/10 'Salt Lake City resident
Pagan was discharged from the US Army in 1999 under the policy.' I
was one of the 14,000 people discharged from the US military for no other reason
BESIDES, my orientation. So, please. Orientation
factually DOES affect your housing AND, your employment, to some.
Its just too bad that our State Legislators can't see fit to come up with a
similar ordinance state wide that would obviate the need to do it city by
city.Good luck AF.
Some people will ask 'Why is this needed?' Reply question: Are you married? This question seems innocent enough, but this
would be an indicator into your sexual orientation. Others: Do you have kids? How's the wife? Did you go on a a date?
What do you think of (famous actor/actress) Wedding invitations Aniversary announcements... these ALL indicate your
orientation. SLC's discrimination report from 2009 quote x3 cases of
harrasment due to orientation in housing... x3. Per
month. Page 19. A case in NY cited that ONLY married
couples could cohabitate in an apartment. The rule was later, struck
down, but again... admission, of orientation. As for
jobs: *'Dont ask, dont tell repealed; Utah senators say no' - By
Alison Peek - SL Examiner - 12/19/10 'Salt Lake City resident Pagan
was discharged from the US Army in 1999 under the policy.' I, was
one of the 14,000 men & women discharged under the 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
policy from the US military. Only 12 cities in Utah protect your job
from discrimination based on orientation. Otherwise...
someone could fire you over it.
I have just emailed the American Fork City Council the 1) SLC discrimination
report of 2009 and... examples of discrimination. I
encourage everyone who supports equality and NOT being fired for your
orientation (Heterosexuals too) to do the same.
"gender identity" is one of the funniest things.What if I
"identify" myself as a flying purple dinosaur?Does it make
it so?A guy wearing a dress is a guy wearing a dress. A woman in
man's clothing is a woman in man's clothing.A woman with facial hair
is a woman with facial hair.Pretty simple.Sorry, some
things you dont get to choose
'What if I "identify" myself as a flying purple dinosaur?' - Chris B |
3:17 p.m. Dec. 12, 2011 If you spend $75,000 to have yourself
medically altered, another $25,000 to have your identity legally changed...? I'd call you a dinosaur. Maybe we should 'pray about
it?' You would never go through this trouble though Chris. Because the people that DO go through this change... have more
courage than you will ever know.
"If you spend $75,000 to have yourself medically altered, another $25,000
to have your identity legally changed...?I'd call you a
dinosaur."ONLY if I do those things?If you have a
friend who is really a man but thinks he is a woman will you only call him a
girl after he has surgery even if he wants to be called a she?My
guess is you support calling men who wish they were women, women. My guess is you support calling women who wish they were men, men.EVEN if they haven't had surgery.Nature/God/whatever messed up
when I was born.I truly am a Flying Purple Dinosaur.If
anyone doesn't address me as such they are intolerant.LOL!
@Pagan:"Maybe we should 'pray about it?'"If
you want to we could. I'm not particularly religious and I got the
impression you weren't either.But if you want to you could I
Some of us will never understand? We can only try to be understanding. That does
not mean we do not care it only means we can't comprehend. Yes,
there are those who hate people for things they can not control. I
personally, would not want to live under the roof of someone who hated fat
middle aged women.