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Published: Sunday, Dec. 11 2011 12:00 a.m. MST

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UTAH Bill
Salt Lake City, UT

Well, it was bound to happen, Utah is coming into the 80's.

2cents_EM
Eagle Mountain, UT

I'm a little unclear on why this would be needed. If you are trying to rent an apartment or apply for a job, why would your sexual orientation even come up? Is that an interview question now? I don't remember being asked about my sexual orientation the last time I looked for an apartment or applied for a job.

no fit in SG
St.George, Utah

Perhaps it is time for the little Utah towns to discover tolerance.

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@2cents EM

you may not have been asked that directly but it is a fact o life that people assume many things about others. As I am sure many many people outside the LDS church living in Utah could tell you that some LDS people show little concern for the law or common decency in asking very personnel questions about your religious background and/or orientation fi they preserve you as different in any way. I am lam not sure these ordinances will stop this type of person from continuing to do so but it does at least leave a legal recourse for those few people that may be brave enough to fight back.

Florwood
American Fork, UT

Council member Rick Storrs, not Mark.

I'm the person who brought this originally to the council for consideration. 2cents, there have been a few instances in the past where employees were fired after the business owner found out they were gay, even in a small town like AF. I feel the ordinances give some sense of protection to individuals whose sexual orientation or gender identity has nothing to do with their work ability or qualification as tenants. The protections in the ordinances will do a small part in building a safer and more welcoming community. They are similar to the ordinances passed in SLC two years ago, and thus have broad support with community stakeholders--partly because they exempt small businesses (

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'I'm a little unclear on why this would be needed.' - 2cents_EM | 8:27 a.m. Dec. 11, 2011

Are you married?

It is innocent questions like this that factually BRING UP orientation. You may not even realize them.

Do you have a daughter/child?
What do you think of Angelina Joelee?

These, reveal orientation.

A case in NY would not allow cohabitation, until marriage. Period.

In the SLC Discrimination report from 2009 there were three cases of discrimination due to orientation...

per month.

You think orientation is not brought up but I would ask you...

do you wear a wedding band?

6 states allow gay marriage. So 44 states, do not. If you wear a wedding band, 85% of the time...

you are straight.

As for work...

*'Dont ask, dont tell repealed; Utah senators say no' - By Alison Peek - SL Examiner - 12/19/10

'Salt Lake City resident Pagan was discharged from the US Army in 1999 under the policy.'

I was one of the 14,000 people discharged from the US military for no other reason BESIDES, my orientation.

So, please.

Orientation factually DOES affect your housing AND, your employment, to some.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

Its just too bad that our State Legislators can't see fit to come up with a similar ordinance state wide that would obviate the need to do it city by city.

Good luck AF.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

Some people will ask 'Why is this needed?'

Reply question:

Are you married?

This question seems innocent enough, but this would be an indicator into your sexual orientation.

Others:

Do you have kids?
How's the wife?
Did you go on a a date?
What do you think of (famous actor/actress)

Wedding invitations
Aniversary announcements...

these ALL indicate your orientation.

SLC's discrimination report from 2009 quote x3 cases of harrasment due to orientation in housing...

x3.

Per month.

Page 19.

A case in NY cited that ONLY married couples could cohabitate in an apartment.

The rule was later, struck down, but again...

admission, of orientation.

As for jobs:

*'Dont ask, dont tell repealed; Utah senators say no' - By Alison Peek - SL Examiner - 12/19/10

'Salt Lake City resident Pagan was discharged from the US Army in 1999 under the policy.'

I, was one of the 14,000 men & women discharged under the 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' policy from the US military.

Only 12 cities in Utah protect your job from discrimination based on orientation.

Otherwise...

someone could fire you over it.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

I have just emailed the American Fork City Council the 1) SLC discrimination report of 2009 and...

examples of discrimination.

I encourage everyone who supports equality and NOT being fired for your orientation (Heterosexuals too) to do the same.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

"gender identity" is one of the funniest things.

What if I "identify" myself as a flying purple dinosaur?

Does it make it so?

A guy wearing a dress is a guy wearing a dress. A woman in man's clothing is a woman in man's clothing.

A woman with facial hair is a woman with facial hair.

Pretty simple.

Sorry, some things you dont get to choose

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'What if I "identify" myself as a flying purple dinosaur?' - Chris B | 3:17 p.m. Dec. 12, 2011

If you spend $75,000 to have yourself medically altered, another $25,000 to have your identity legally changed...?

I'd call you a dinosaur.

Maybe we should 'pray about it?'

You would never go through this trouble though Chris.

Because the people that DO go through this change...

have more courage than you will ever know.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

"If you spend $75,000 to have yourself medically altered, another $25,000 to have your identity legally changed...?

I'd call you a dinosaur."

ONLY if I do those things?

If you have a friend who is really a man but thinks he is a woman will you only call him a girl after he has surgery even if he wants to be called a she?

My guess is you support calling men who wish they were women, women.

My guess is you support calling women who wish they were men, men.

EVEN if they haven't had surgery.

Nature/God/whatever messed up when I was born.

I truly am a Flying Purple Dinosaur.

If anyone doesn't address me as such they are intolerant.

LOL!

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

@Pagan:

"Maybe we should 'pray about it?'"

If you want to we could.

I'm not particularly religious and I got the impression you weren't either.

But if you want to you could I guess.

LOL!

county mom
Monroe, UT

Some of us will never understand? We can only try to be understanding. That does not mean we do not care it only means we can't comprehend.

Yes, there are those who hate people for things they can not control.
I personally, would not want to live under the roof of someone who hated fat middle aged women.

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